Re: US voting reform idea
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:09 PM Tuesday 4/26/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: This would be addressed by returning to the system where every representative had an equal number of constituents. We would gain a crapload of reps, but then democracy isn't free is it?G IIRC, the figure of 8000+ members of the House I mentioned a few days ago was based on each representative having the same number of constituents, and that number being what it was before the total number of representatives (or something like that: I'm sure of the first, anyway. Of course, I don't happen to recall a reference . . . ) If we used 1780 numbers you would get those kind of numbers. I'm thinking more along the lines of using the smallest populated district as the benchmark, and then you only gain a couple hundred Reps initially. The number of constituents per Rep can change, but any Rep should represent the same number of people as any other Rep. xponent Done Right Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US voting reform idea
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:09 PM Tuesday 4/26/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: This would be addressed by returning to the system where every representative had an equal number of constituents. We would gain a crapload of reps, but then democracy isn't free is it?G IIRC, the figure of 8000+ members of the House I mentioned a few days ago was based on each representative having the same number of constituents, and that number being what it was before the total number of representatives (or something like that: I'm sure of the first, anyway. Of course, I don't happen to recall a reference . . . Even better! A post I wrote last October: The problem with the electoral college is not in the electoral college, but in the way populations are represented in Congress. I would think that this lack of representation on an everyday basis would be of much greater concern. Just to make sure my message is clear: *The Problem Is A Lack Of Fair Representation* Using Wyoming as a benchmark, where you have 1 congressperson per (roughly) 500,000 people, 2 Senators (as always) and 3 Electoral votes. Compare to California where you have 1 Congressperson per 639,088 people, 2 Senators, and 55 Electoral votes. That doesn't sound all that bad offhand, but if California had representation equal to Wyomings you would get 67 Congresspersons and 69 Electoral votes. That is a net gain of 12 Congresspersons and 14 Electoral votes. This lack of representation effects at least 48 states that I can identify. Of those states, 25 are short one representative, and 10 are shorted by 2. Only Iowa and DC are represented in the same proportion as Wyoming and the rest are shorted between 3 and 14 representatives. Law limits Congress to 435 Representatives, but if representation were proportional there would be 549, an increase of 114 representatives. I do not see why this number should be unwieldy or why it would cause difficulty. xponent Census Data Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical QuestionsRE:RemovingDictatorsRe: PeacefulchangeL3
At 08:48 PM 4/26/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: What is true is that in any event, the US did not impose multilateral sanctions on Iraq. In light of we have actually have done, can there be any doubt that we could have and would have imposed *unilateral* sanctions? Well sure, but unilateral sanctions are far, far, less effective than multilateral sanctions - particularly if you are interested in denying a country any access whatsoever to particular technologies and systems. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical QuestionsRE:RemovingDictatorsRe: PeacefulchangeL3
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:06:54 -0400, JDG wrote Yes, I am saying that the child/permission slip line is a metaphor for the US seeking the consent of the UNSC on foreign policy positions. So, who is the parent and who is the child? Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Mr. Smith Goes to Hell
Folks, If Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, he'll have to hold his tongue, at least if the Republican party goes ahead with the newly-re-christened Constitutional Option, formerly known as the Nuclear Option. And christened appears to be the word, at least to hear James Dobson tell the story: a filibuster against a Bush court appointment is apparently a filibuster against the faithful. Molly Ivins tells the story better than me: http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/21873/ Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mr. Smith Goes to Hell
On Apr 27, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Dave Land wrote: Folks, If Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, he'll have to hold his tongue, at least if the Republican party goes ahead with the newly-re-christened Constitutional Option, formerly known as the Nuclear Option. And christened appears to be the word, at least to hear James Dobson tell the story: a filibuster against a Bush court appointment is apparently a filibuster against the faithful. Molly Ivins tells the story better than me: http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/21873/ I caught bits of that broadcast, and was ambivalent. The rhetoric used is pretty brutal, and profoundly arrogant; it pissed me off. However, I felt a strange wave of ... not hope, not relief, but something akin to both. Because the radical right-wing loonies are taking off their gloves, removing their masks and showing themselves to be the intolerant, bigoted, self-righteous asses they really are. I think it was a tactical mistake: far too much far too soon. Moderates of any stripe are considerably more likely to galvanize against these people than they are to align with them, I think. Had they kept their attempts at string-pulling more quiet and subdued, they might have had a chance, but I think they've forgotten the lessons of the Moral Majority movement (which, as I like to say, was neither) and the backlash they experienced for trying far too hard to impose the rigorous strictures of a cultish interpretation of one religion on a nation that is, at its heart, surprisingly liberal and broad-minded. The pendulum's arc might well have maximized this last weekend. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using cron. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US voting reform idea
Even better! A post I wrote last October: The problem with the electoral college is not in the electoral college, but in the way populations are represented in Congress. I would think that this lack of representation on an everyday basis would be of much greater concern. Just to make sure my message is clear: *The Problem Is A Lack Of Fair Representation* Using Wyoming as a benchmark, where you have 1 congressperson per (roughly) 500,000 people, 2 Senators (as always) and 3 Electoral votes. Compare to California where you have 1 Congressperson per 639,088 people, 2 Senators, and 55 Electoral votes. That doesn't sound all that bad offhand, but if California had representation equal to Wyomings you would get 67 Congresspersons and 69 Electoral votes. That is a net gain of 12 Congresspersons and 14 Electoral votes. This lack of representation effects at least 48 states that I can identify. Of those states, 25 are short one representative, and 10 are shorted by 2. Only Iowa and DC are represented in the same proportion as Wyoming and the rest are shorted between 3 and 14 representatives. Law limits Congress to 435 Representatives, but if representation were proportional there would be 549, an increase of 114 representatives. I do not see why this number should be unwieldy or why it would cause difficulty. xponent Census Data Maru rob The difficulty is, when you have done the above and look at the new data, you'll find another state which is better represented than any other. I think the current system is so designed that it minimizes the difference between the actual number of Representatives (in Wyoming 1) and the deserved number (in Wyoming about 0.8), so your proposed change would probably make the situation much less desireable by your standards. I find the difference between the voters for district winners and the voters for other candidates more of a problem. The first group has 435 Representatives, the other has none. The real problem is that the most voters will either always be in the first group, or always be in the second group; relatively few change between the groups. Many in the losing group have already given up voting because of that. -- Frank Schmidt Onward, radical moderates www.egscomics.com +++ Sparen beginnt mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mr. Smith Goes to Hell
The pendulum's arc might well have maximized this last weekend. I can only hope. With statements from the Religious Right that the Republicans owe them, that sort of thing keeps me up some nights... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Italeri's M8 Greyhound -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mr. Smith Goes to Hell
On Apr 27, 2005, at 11:54 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: The pendulum's arc might well have maximized this last weekend. I can only hope. With statements from the Religious Right that the Republicans owe them, that sort of thing keeps me up some nights... See, it's statements like that I want to see *more* of. That s turns off centrist Republicans, which are the real majority of the party, and only agitates them to toss out the power-mad in their midst. I say let's hear more from the right-wingers. Much more, lots more, as loud as possible. Let them show their true agenda. Unlike, for instance, gays, they *have* one, and they're willing to use it too. ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Troop Levels in Iraq Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical Questions RE:RemovingDictatorsRe: PeacefulchangeL3
Nick Arnett wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote the two combat veterans in the bunch, interestingly enough - both from Iraq, one from first Iraq, the other from the second) vociferously disagree with me on that. I'm pretty sure that just about any Marine will tell you that the whole job could be done by one platoon. And mean it. Marines are special. Heck, I have a friend who didn't make it out of Marine boot camp without career-ending injury, and she used to deal with stress from coworkers by sitting back and figuring out if she could take them out if she had to. :) (There wasn't anyone she worked with at that time that she couldn't have) She's also one of the most dangerous people for an attacker to try to attack, as *all* of her martial arts training has been to kill, not to disable and flee. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
http://www.cdbaby.com/amycd2 The album I have been helping to midwife for the last year. With tinny sounding samples that are supposed to make you have to have to have this album today! I worked my ass off to get this out. You could at least give the tinny samples a listen.G xponent Soon To Be Moderated For Shameless Self Promotion Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US voting reform idea
Frank Schmidt wrote: Even better! A post I wrote last October: The problem with the electoral college is not in the electoral college, but in the way populations are represented in Congress. I would think that this lack of representation on an everyday basis would be of much greater concern. Just to make sure my message is clear: *The Problem Is A Lack Of Fair Representation* Using Wyoming as a benchmark, where you have 1 congressperson per (roughly) 500,000 people, 2 Senators (as always) and 3 Electoral votes. Compare to California where you have 1 Congressperson per 639,088 people, 2 Senators, and 55 Electoral votes. That doesn't sound all that bad offhand, but if California had representation equal to Wyomings you would get 67 Congresspersons and 69 Electoral votes. That is a net gain of 12 Congresspersons and 14 Electoral votes. This lack of representation effects at least 48 states that I can identify. Of those states, 25 are short one representative, and 10 are shorted by 2. Only Iowa and DC are represented in the same proportion as Wyoming and the rest are shorted between 3 and 14 representatives. Law limits Congress to 435 Representatives, but if representation were proportional there would be 549, an increase of 114 representatives. I do not see why this number should be unwieldy or why it would cause difficulty. xponent Census Data Maru rob The difficulty is, when you have done the above and look at the new data, you'll find another state which is better represented than any other. I think the current system is so designed that it minimizes the difference between the actual number of Representatives (in Wyoming 1) and the deserved number (in Wyoming about 0.8), so your proposed change would probably make the situation much less desireable by your standards. I find the difference between the voters for district winners and the voters for other candidates more of a problem. The first group has 435 Representatives, the other has none. The real problem is that the most voters will either always be in the first group, or always be in the second group; relatively few change between the groups. Many in the losing group have already given up voting because of that. I think you miss the point by some margin here. Regardless of what party a Representative belongs to, that Rep is still responsible to everyone in his district in the sense that the Rep is the person one goes to with a grievence or a plan. I would have no problem asking Tom Delay (Ugh.my congressmanand one I would never under any circumstances vote for) for help with some matter, because that is part of his job. I don't have to like my Rep in order to apply for his services. The other issue is representation. My state is unfairly represented when compared to Wyoming or Alaska. And that unfairness spreads even to representation by electors in presidential elections. Who is elected is irrelevent. What is relevent is that my vote is worth less in every way measurable than a voter in Wyoming. That is unfair and should be redressed. Will it change things in a manner which I favor? Well.Bush might still have been elected under my proposal, but that would be OK because it would have been a fairer election. There is no blaming or finger pointing involved here actually. It took many years before our system got so skewed and I don't think many people realize just how much it could effect the wishes of the people as filtered through the college of electors. I have not tried to calculate (I realize this would be hard to make accurate in any case since I cannot predict electoral district boundries in states that have more electors) how this would have changed the most recent election. I don't think I would be happy (nor would the opposition) to find that a fair representation would have changed the results, so I have not even given it thought. I have a greater interest in fairness than winning in any case. xponent No Taxation Yadda Yadda Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
On Apr 27, 2005, at 3:31 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://www.cdbaby.com/amycd2 The album I have been helping to midwife for the last year. With tinny sounding samples that are supposed to make you have to have to have this album today! I worked my ass off to get this out. You could at least give the tinny samples a listen.G You, sir, are a spoiled studio brat. The samples sounded about as good as many other MP3s on iTunes on my PowerBook via a pair of Plantronics Audio30 earbuds. Naturally, any of us would prefer to be listening straight of the digital masters through about 200 lbs of a Crown amplifier and some Tannoy or JBL studio monitors, but I just don't happen to have that set up here at my desk. There are some nice cuts on the CD. What was your role in the project? Producer? Engineer? Or what? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
On 4/27/05, Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cdbaby.com/amycd2 The album I have been helping to midwife for the last year. With tinny sounding samples that are supposed to make you have to have to have this album today! I worked my ass off to get this out. You could at least give the tinny samples a listen.G xponent Soon To Be Moderated For Shameless Self Promotion Maru rob Darn tootin'! The only one supposed to be shamelessly shilling their wares here is Brin. ~Maru Incidentally, not too shabby. Not my favored style, but not bad. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
On Apr 27, 2005, at 4:54 PM, Dave Land wrote: Naturally, any of us would prefer to be listening straight of the digital masters through about 200 lbs of a Crown amplifier and some Tannoy or JBL studio monitors, but I just don't happen to have that set up here at my desk. Pshht. Peasant. ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
Dave Land wrote: On Apr 27, 2005, at 3:31 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://www.cdbaby.com/amycd2 You, sir, are a spoiled studio brat. The samples sounded about as good as many other MP3s on iTunes on my PowerBook via a pair of Plantronics Audio30 earbuds. Naturally, any of us would prefer to be listening straight of the digital masters through about 200 lbs of a Crown amplifier and some Tannoy or JBL studio monitors, but I just don't happen to have that set up here at my desk. They sound a bit awful over here. My Logitech micro/headphones just don't cut it soundwise and my Altec-Lansing speakers don't sound a lot better to me. There are some nice cuts on the CD. What was your role in the project? Producer? Engineer? Or what? H.to be honest, I am the guy who makes the wheels go round, I am the force that keeps the project organized and ongoing. I also print, staple, duplicate CDs, and finance the project. Some guys go hunting and fishing. I coordinate musicians and artists and website creators and sell CDs. And I do the easy job. Creating music is hard hard hard hard hard. I also write lyrics. The Grand Machine is the result of my writing, and was inspired by The Time Ships by Brin's buddy S. Baxter. Our Humble Website: http://www.amycd.com/ xponent Exited maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
Maru Dubshinki wrote: On 4/27/05, Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~Maru Incidentally, not too shabby. Not my favored style, but not bad. On behalf of the artists I thank you very much! xponent Chuckwagon Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Howcum (some) Texans are so happy?
From another list: List Of Depressed Cities 1.. Laredo, TX -- A+ 2.. El Paso, TX -- A+ 3.. Jersey City, NJ -- A+ 4.. Corpus Christi, TX -- A+ 5.. Baton Rouge, LA -- A 6.. Honolulu, HI -- A- 7.. Fresno, CA -- A- 8.. San Jose, CA -- A- 9.. Lincoln, NE -- B+ 10.. Bakersfield, CA -- B+ 11.. Buffalo, NY -- B+ 12.. Anchorage, AK -- B+ 13.. Stockton, CA -- B+ 14.. Shreveport, LA -- B+ 15.. (tie) Madison, WI -- B Montgomery, AL -- B Des Moines, IA -- B 16.. Wichita, KS -- B 17.. (tie) Sacramento, CA -- B Omaha, NE -- B 18.. Memphis, TN -- B 19.. New Orleans, LA -- B 20.. (tie) Raleigh, NC -- B- Fort Wayne, IN -- B- 21.. (tie) Fremont, CA -- B- Oakland, CA -- B- 22.. Modesto, CA -- B- 23.. Tacoma, WA -- B- 24.. Toledo, OH -- B- 25.. Boise, ID -- B- 26.. Lubbock, TX -- C+ 27.. Little Rock, AR -- C+ 28.. Spokane, WA -- C+ 29.. Grand Rapids, MI -- C+ 30.. San Antonio, TX -- C+ 31.. (tie) Newark, NJ -- C+ Akron, OH -- C+ Austin, TX -- C+ 32.. Miami, FL -- C+ 33.. Richmond, VA -- C+ 34.. Lexington, KY -- C+ 35.. Jacksonville, FL -- C+ 36.. Rochester, NY -- C+ 37.. San Diego, CA -- C 38.. Durham, NC -- C 39.. Albuquerque, NM -- C 40.. Charlotte, NC -- C 41.. Tulsa, OK -- C 42.. Providence, RI -- C 43.. Greensboro, NC -- C 44.. Colorado Springs, CO -- C 45.. Chesapeake, VA -- C 46.. (tie) Tucson, AZ -- C Birmingham, AL -- C Oklahoma City, OK -- C Columbus, OH -- C 47.. Norfolk, VA -- C- 48.. (tie) Arlington, TX -- C- Fort Worth, TX -- C- Riverside, CA -- C- 49.. Plano, TX -- C- 50.. (tie) Baltimore, MD -- C- San Francisco, CA -- C- Louisville, KY -- C- 51.. Virginia Beach, VA -- C- 52.. Orlando, FL -- D+ 53.. Las Vegas, NV -- D+ 54.. Washington, D.C. -- D+ 55.. Cincinnati, OH -- D+ 56.. Denver, CO -- D+ 57.. (tie) Boston, MA -- D St. Paul, MN -- D Seattle, WA -- D 58.. Chicago, IL -- D 59.. Aurora, CO -- D 60.. Milwaukee, WI -- D 61.. Houston, TX -- D 62.. Minneapolis, MN -- D 63.. (tie) Dallas, TX -- D Garland, TX -- D 64.. Anaheim, CA -- D 65.. Portland, OR -- D 66.. (tie) Long Beach, CA -- D Los Angeles -- D Nashville, TN -- D 67.. (tie) Yonkers, NY -- D Pittsburgh, PA -- D Kansas City, MO -- D 68.. Atlanta, GA -- D 69.. Salt Lake City, UT -- D- 70.. New York, NY -- D- 71.. Cleveland, OH -- F 72.. (tie) Mesa, AZ -- F Phoenix, AZ -- F Scottsdale, AZ -- F 73.. Indianapolis, IN -- F 74.. Tampa, FL -- F 75.. St. Louis, MO -- F 76.. St. Petersburg, FL -- F 77.. Detroit, MI -- F 78.. Philadelphia, PA -- F (Criteria for the rankings included information on antidepressant sales from NDC Health, suicide rates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and information from the CDC's Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System. The rankings are published in the April issue of Men's Health, which will be on newsstands March 15.) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Howcum (some) Texans are so happy?
I certainly hope I do not get an A or A+ on that list. :) ~Maru Sometimes, failure is the only way to succeed. On 4/27/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From another list: List Of Depressed Cities 1.. Laredo, TX -- A+ 2.. El Paso, TX -- A+ 3.. Jersey City, NJ -- A+ 4.. Corpus Christi, TX -- A+ 5.. Baton Rouge, LA -- A 6.. Honolulu, HI -- A- 7.. Fresno, CA -- A- 8.. San Jose, CA -- A- 9.. Lincoln, NE -- B+ 10.. Bakersfield, CA -- B+ 11.. Buffalo, NY -- B+ 12.. Anchorage, AK -- B+ 13.. Stockton, CA -- B+ 14.. Shreveport, LA -- B+ 15.. (tie) Madison, WI -- B Montgomery, AL -- B Des Moines, IA -- B 16.. Wichita, KS -- B 17.. (tie) Sacramento, CA -- B Omaha, NE -- B 18.. Memphis, TN -- B 19.. New Orleans, LA -- B 20.. (tie) Raleigh, NC -- B- Fort Wayne, IN -- B- 21.. (tie) Fremont, CA -- B- Oakland, CA -- B- 22.. Modesto, CA -- B- 23.. Tacoma, WA -- B- 24.. Toledo, OH -- B- 25.. Boise, ID -- B- 26.. Lubbock, TX -- C+ 27.. Little Rock, AR -- C+ 28.. Spokane, WA -- C+ 29.. Grand Rapids, MI -- C+ 30.. San Antonio, TX -- C+ 31.. (tie) Newark, NJ -- C+ Akron, OH -- C+ Austin, TX -- C+ 32.. Miami, FL -- C+ 33.. Richmond, VA -- C+ 34.. Lexington, KY -- C+ 35.. Jacksonville, FL -- C+ 36.. Rochester, NY -- C+ 37.. San Diego, CA -- C 38.. Durham, NC -- C 39.. Albuquerque, NM -- C 40.. Charlotte, NC -- C 41.. Tulsa, OK -- C 42.. Providence, RI -- C 43.. Greensboro, NC -- C 44.. Colorado Springs, CO -- C 45.. Chesapeake, VA -- C 46.. (tie) Tucson, AZ -- C Birmingham, AL -- C Oklahoma City, OK -- C Columbus, OH -- C 47.. Norfolk, VA -- C- 48.. (tie) Arlington, TX -- C- Fort Worth, TX -- C- Riverside, CA -- C- 49.. Plano, TX -- C- 50.. (tie) Baltimore, MD -- C- San Francisco, CA -- C- Louisville, KY -- C- 51.. Virginia Beach, VA -- C- 52.. Orlando, FL -- D+ 53.. Las Vegas, NV -- D+ 54.. Washington, D.C. -- D+ 55.. Cincinnati, OH -- D+ 56.. Denver, CO -- D+ 57.. (tie) Boston, MA -- D St. Paul, MN -- D Seattle, WA -- D 58.. Chicago, IL -- D 59.. Aurora, CO -- D 60.. Milwaukee, WI -- D 61.. Houston, TX -- D 62.. Minneapolis, MN -- D 63.. (tie) Dallas, TX -- D Garland, TX -- D 64.. Anaheim, CA -- D 65.. Portland, OR -- D 66.. (tie) Long Beach, CA -- D Los Angeles -- D Nashville, TN -- D 67.. (tie) Yonkers, NY -- D Pittsburgh, PA -- D Kansas City, MO -- D 68.. Atlanta, GA -- D 69.. Salt Lake City, UT -- D- 70.. New York, NY -- D- 71.. Cleveland, OH -- F 72.. (tie) Mesa, AZ -- F Phoenix, AZ -- F Scottsdale, AZ -- F 73.. Indianapolis, IN -- F 74.. Tampa, FL -- F 75.. St. Louis, MO -- F 76.. St. Petersburg, FL -- F 77.. Detroit, MI -- F 78.. Philadelphia, PA -- F (Criteria for the rankings included information on antidepressant sales from NDC Health, suicide rates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and information from the CDC's Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System. The rankings are published in the April issue of Men's Health, which will be on newsstands March 15.) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Howcum (some) Texans are so happy?
At 08:23 PM Wednesday 4/27/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote: I certainly hope I do not get an A or A+ on that list. :) Oh, sorry, I guess that wasn't clear without a link to the original article which got snipped somewhere along the line. The higher the number on the list, the more depressed the people of the city are, according to the study. Here's a link to a summary: http://articles.health.msn.com/id/100103843. (I don't have a link to the full list.) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Howcum (some) Texans are so happy?
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:45:35 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote From another list: List Of Depressed Cities Seems to me that this is a list of cities ranked by how little they use anti-depressants, not how depressed they are. Could be that some are high on the list because they have lousy medical insurance that won't pay for the medication. Or the people are just too dang proud to admit they need it. But it seems to bear witness to W.C. Fields' famous line about Philadelphia. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: They sound a bit awful over here. My Logitech micro/headphones just don't cut it soundwise and my Altec-Lansing speakers don't sound a lot better to me. I have a pair of Altec-lansing computer speakers, and I have special EQ settings called something like shitty little desktop speakers or some such to make them sound less, well, shitty. H.to be honest, I am the guy who makes the wheels go round, I am the force that keeps the project organized and ongoing. I also print, staple, duplicate CDs, and finance the project. Yes. Right after writing my message, I went to amycd.com and saw that you are executive producer, which often means money guy. Some guys go hunting and fishing. I coordinate musicians and artists and website creators and sell CDs. Not a bad hobby. At least it keeps you off the streets. And I do the easy job. Creating music is hard hard hard hard hard. I have a friend, Ted Larson, who is one of those guys who, at a church retreat, can decide at lunch time that he's going to write a song for the campfire that night and do it. He also is a very good music editor -- he made a mix for his anniversary party of Love Shack and Who Let the Dogs Out, if you happen to go for that sort of thing. I also write lyrics. The Grand Machine is the result of my writing, and was inspired by The Time Ships by Brin's buddy S. Baxter. Writing is also hard. Maybe not hard hard hard hard hard, but certainly hard hard hard. My degree's in writing, but not lyrics. The tough part is making it rhythmical (and maybe even rhyming) without making it doggerel. Keep up the hard work, Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Howcum (some) Texans are so happy?
I'm happy to see that I moved up rather significantly in the '80s when I went from #67 Pittsburgh to #8 San Jose. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Brin: Romanticism vs. Modernism
Over at rec.music.progressive the big discussion concerns romanticism vs. modernism in terms of progressive rock. xponent What Comes Around Goes Around Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Howcum (some) Texans are so happy?
On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: From another list: List Of Depressed Cities 1.. Laredo, TX -- A+ 2.. El Paso, TX -- A+ 3.. Jersey City, NJ -- A+ 4.. Corpus Christi, TX -- A+ Well, ignorance is bliss. ;) More seriously, it might have something to do with annual sunlight quantity. That's just a wild stab though. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
Dave Land wrote: On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: I also write lyrics. The Grand Machine is the result of my writing, and was inspired by The Time Ships by Brin's buddy S. Baxter. Writing is also hard. Maybe not hard hard hard hard hard, but certainly hard hard hard. My degree's in writing, but not lyrics. The tough part is making it rhythmical (and maybe even rhyming) without making it doggerel. I find writing very hard. Writing posts to the list is usually quite difficult for me. Writing lyrics and poetry is much easier and I seem to have some talent for it. (At least judging from comments by the people who use my lyrics) Getting started can be hard, but once I get going, I can find those rhythyms and twist the language into something that may have little or no real meaning, but evokes images and may even sound like it has meaning. It can be a lot of fun. Keep up the hard work, Lately I've been getting credit for being someone who does a lot to support independent musicians. I suppose that is true, but I just enjoy the projects and the music. And it looks like one of our bands, The Naming, is going to let me issue their (IMO) wonderful album Sun King. I am constantly amazed that this band could never get signed. xponent Sun King Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Permission Slips Re: RhetoricalQuestionsRE:RemovingDictatorsRe: PeacefulchangeL3
At 05:32 AM 4/27/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: Yes, I am saying that the child/permission slip line is a metaphor for the US seeking the consent of the UNSC on foreign policy positions. So, who is the parent and who is the child? Isn't it obvious? In the child/permission slip analogy, the United States would be the child asking for permission from the UN. On the other hand, seriously considering the opinion of another is typically an adult-to-adult relationship.It would be rather nonsensical to use a child/permission slip metaphor to argue against an adult-to-adult dynamic of seriously considering the opinions of others. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
- Original Message - From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: They sound a bit awful over here. My Logitech micro/headphones just don't cut it soundwise and my Altec-Lansing speakers don't sound a lot better to me. I have a pair of Altec-lansing computer speakers, and I have special EQ settings called something like shitty little desktop speakers or some such to make them sound less, well, shitty. H.to be honest, I am the guy who makes the wheels go round, I am the force that keeps the project organized and ongoing. I also print, staple, duplicate CDs, and finance the project. Yes. Right after writing my message, I went to amycd.com and saw that you are executive producer, which often means money guy. Some guys go hunting and fishing. I coordinate musicians and artists and website creators and sell CDs. Not a bad hobby. At least it keeps you off the streets. And I do the easy job. Creating music is hard hard hard hard hard. I have a friend, Ted Larson, who is one of those guys who, at a church retreat, can decide at lunch time that he's going to write a song for the campfire that night and do it. My daughter, who's a junior at Lawrence, writes music that actually gets played in public. She conducts a bell choir and has written some music for them. She also does some music for the various parts of the service. According to her it's no big deal. :-) I think writing music would be easy for me, just come up with note progressions. It's writing music that would not send people running and screaming to get as far away as possible that's hard. :-) Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Romanticism vs. Modernism
--- Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over at rec.music.progressive the big discussion concerns romanticism vs. modernism in terms of progressive rock. Give them my best. But remember. 1. Romanticism and modernism share some themes! BOTH preach suspicion of authority, for example, and respect for diversity/eccentricity. This harkens back to when they were allies against monarchy, before they turned on each other. These themes fill much music/art/cinema. 2. We are all deeply romantic. The trick is to let modernism be in charge of POLICY. We can then try to have a reasonable, progressive, pragmatic civilization... ... that then lets us all hoot and holler and do romantic things in our free time. Or in the arts. thrive ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
