Re: Stop AOL from ruining email

2006-02-23 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Damon Agretto wrote:

 You know, with as many issues as I've seen with AOL at work, I'd 
 just say the heck with 'em and tell people to get a REAL email service...
 
They are closing activities in Brazil and South America. Nobody
is crying for them :-)

Alberto Monteiro



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Semi-OTC Lasers

2006-02-23 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://wickedlasers.com/

For the last few months you have been able to buy lasers that could 
pop balloons, melt trash bags, cut electrical tape, and melt through 
plastic. It is a fairly interesting advance in materials science that 
allows consumers to do such things with an over-the-counter product. 
(Of course, you aren't going to find these at your local electronics 
stores)
The lasers here (especially the green ones) tout some amazing 
capabilities such as being visible(the priciest model) at 120 
miles(193.12128 K)while using 3 volts of power supplied by everyday AA 
or AAA batteries that should last for 2 hours (2 metric hoursG) on a 
100% duty cycle, even if the laser itself costs $2000 (1648 
Euro/1129British pound).

I expect that the price of lasers with this kind of capability will 
come down over time and that simultaneously, legislation to curb their 
availability and criminalize their misuse will occur.

These kinds of lasers are somewhat dangerous toys in the hands of the 
well intentioned, but in the hands of crafty and mischievous 
malcontents.

To be clear, these particular devices have *some* potential for 
misuse, but I expect that the next generation of devices that will 
come on the heels of cheaper devices of this generation will have 
capabilities that could be problematic for security and law 
enforcement, hence the expectation of more restrictive legislation 
concerning their possession and use.

xponent
Call For Comment Maru
rob



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Re: Hello...

2006-02-23 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On 2/22/06, Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Charlie Bell wrote:
  I have this really weird urge to be ontopic. I'm sure it'll
  pass... ;)

 On topic? What's that? ;-)



This list has a topic?

Mauro D.
All is Brin, even cuisine :-P
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A Second Conviction

2006-02-23 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
Several years ago, way back when the list was hosted by a major 
university, we had a conversation about our personal brushes with 
death or encounters with killers or somesuch.
At that time I related 2 stories about my encounters with people who 
had or would soon murder others. The unrelated story was about how I 
was almost procured for a famous serial killer.

The other story was about how I blustered and chased off a pair of 
guys who were threatening to beat the crap out of my younger brother 
in our frontyard. One of those fellows was one Max Soffar. I believe I 
also posted some link to the Department of Corrections webpage 
concerning him and his Deathrow status.

To refresh, a few months after my encounter with Soffar, he robbed a 
bowling alley and shot all 4 people inside execution style, killing 3 
with one person fortunately surviving.

Sidebar: Last year I was working with a pair of fellows, they happened 
to be best friends since Jr High, and the subject came up. I related 
this story to them, they both looked at each other with a should we 
tell him look and informed me that Gregory Garner, the lone survivor 
of the robbery was at that time one of their best friends.
It is indeed a small world after all Mr Disney.

So What?: Max Soffar was given a new trial and was again found guilty. 
Punishment phase is ongoing at this time and it appears very possible 
that Soffar will once again sit on deathrow.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3676421.html

I've told this story a few times over the last decade and a half. 
Giving consideration to Soffars possible innocence was frightening. It 
meant that the actual killers would likely still be at large. That 
would be tragic.
Soffar being imprisoned unjustly for 25 or so years was only a minor 
consideration for me. He was a bad bad apple. He beat his mother with 
a bicycle chain (a highlight of his juvie criminal career). The 
juvenile courts ordered him to live in a tin shack behind his parents 
home (a nice home in a nice neighborhood he was court ordered not to 
enter), balancing the parents requirement to care for him and the need 
to keep him separated from them.

In this part of the world a good bit of the news is devoted to people 
released from prison when DNA evidence proved their innocence or at 
least disproved the evidence that provided for a conviction. How many 
criminals are roaming free because someone was unlucky enough to 
provide for an easier conviction? In a town where our police crime lab 
was so inept (with regards to DNA evidence certainly and there is some 
question that convictions were made) that every conviction over a 
number of years is questionable, one has to seriously question the 
results of every trial. It is a real mess.
To be sure, Soffars original conviction predates the use of DNA 
evidence, and his guilt was judged on other factors that are generally 
considered to be generally reliable. But there is always an 
uncertainty factor for the purveyor of news and when the quality of 
criminal justice is called to question, uncertainty increases.

I do not doubt Soffars guilt. My brother knew the guy, and he was a 
well know thug amongst the young people in Friendswood. My own 
encounter with him was enough to tell me he was dangerous. 
(Well..I thought it laughable that he and his obviously doped-up 
friend wanted to fight 2 guys much bigger than they were, and that, 
plus a lie about the imminent arrival of the police, it still took 5 
or 10 minutes of heated jawjacking to convince him to leave..put a 
gun in his hands I doubt it would have been so easy)

Some pictures:
http://ccadp.org/maxsoffar.htm
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/statistics/deathrow/drowlist/soffar.jpg
He looks just like I remember him.


xponent
Many Hits Maru
rob 


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Re: unbelievable

2006-02-23 Thread Klaus Stock
 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created  

Yup. However, some people cannot tell a man from a bird

- Klaus
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Re: Stop AOL from ruining email

2006-02-23 Thread Klaus Stock
 I've been on AOl since 1990, and my email address (my last name
 @aol.com) is something that I enjoy because I never, ever have to
 repeat it for anybody. So many people have stupid email addresses
 like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some such nonsense. Mine is 12
 characters, made up of two parts that anybody who knows me and has a
 computer can remember.

And it tells everybody Warning. AOL dummy ahead. :-)

Ah, well, where have to good times gone when people has e-mail-adresses like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] No need to repeat it either, since you had to
write it up anyway :-)

- KLaus


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Re: Semi-OTC Lasers

2006-02-23 Thread Klaus Stock
 For the last few months you have been able to buy lasers that could
 pop balloons, melt trash bags, cut electrical tape, and melt through
 plastic.

And more easily blind people than the class 1 lasers.

Want to kill someone? Wait till he drives past on th efreeway, point the
laser at his eyes and there he goes. The perfect crime, killing people with
an intuitive point and click interface.

- Klaus

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Re: Semi-OTC Lasers

2006-02-23 Thread Charlie Bell


On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:


To be clear, these particular devices have *some* potential for
misuse, but I expect that the next generation of devices that will
come on the heels of cheaper devices of this generation will have
capabilities that could be problematic for security and law
enforcement, hence the expectation of more restrictive legislation
concerning their possession and use.


Well yes. There are increasing problems for pilots - people with  
lasers like to illuminate planes and choppers, and pilots are at risk  
of dazzling or eye damage.


Was a report on Australian tv last night, so I'm now an expert. ;)

Charlie
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Re: Semi-OTC Lasers

2006-02-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 09:12 AM Thursday 2/23/2006, Klaus Stock wrote:

 For the last few months you have been able to buy lasers that could
 pop balloons, melt trash bags, cut electrical tape, and melt through
 plastic.

And more easily blind people than the class 1 lasers.

Want to kill someone? Wait till he drives past on th efreeway, point the
laser at his eyes and there he goes. The perfect crime, killing people with
an intuitive point and click interface.



I have a class 1 green laser rated at 4.99mW that I use for a star 
pointer which would likely be sufficient for that purpose.  (Drives 
the cat crazy, too.)  The downside of doing what you describe at 
night is that the beam of even a class 1 green laser is visible at 
night (the very reason it is useful for pointing out objects in the 
sky), so any witnesses would be able to describe where the beam came 
from.  The laser Rob described is actually bright enough that the 
beam can be see in the daytime (I'm not sure about in bright 
sunlight).  I'd like to get one for demonstrations in class but don't 
have a spare $2K atm.



-- Ronn! :)

Ronn Blankenship
Sometime Adjunct Instructor of Astronomy/Planetary Science
University of Montevallo
Montevallo, AL

Disclaimer:  Unless specifically stated otherwise, any opinions 
contained herein are the personal opinions of the author and do not 
represent the official position of the University of Montevallo.



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Re: Semi-OTC Lasers

2006-02-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 01:54 PM Thursday 2/23/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:


On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:


To be clear, these particular devices have *some* potential for
misuse, but I expect that the next generation of devices that will
come on the heels of cheaper devices of this generation will have
capabilities that could be problematic for security and law
enforcement, hence the expectation of more restrictive legislation
concerning their possession and use.


Well yes. There are increasing problems for pilots - people with
lasers like to illuminate planes and choppers, and pilots are at risk
of dazzling or eye damage.




People don't think.  And I don't let anyone else use my green laser 
pointer.  Or, in fact any of the red ones.  (Some idea of how much 
the price of the latter have come down is that I found a pen for $3 
which has a red laser pointer and blue LED flashlight included.)





Was a report on Australian tv last night, so I'm now an expert. ;)




Of course!


--Ronn!  :)

Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: Semi-OTC Lasers

2006-02-23 Thread Robert Seeberger

- Original Message - 
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: Semi-OTC Lasers


 At 09:12 AM Thursday 2/23/2006, Klaus Stock wrote:
  For the last few months you have been able to buy lasers that 
  could
  pop balloons, melt trash bags, cut electrical tape, and melt 
  through
  plastic.

And more easily blind people than the class 1 lasers.

Want to kill someone? Wait till he drives past on th efreeway, point 
the
laser at his eyes and there he goes. The perfect crime, killing 
people with
an intuitive point and click interface.


 I have a class 1 green laser rated at 4.99mW that I use for a star 
 pointer which would likely be sufficient for that purpose.  (Drives 
 the cat crazy, too.)  The downside of doing what you describe at 
 night is that the beam of even a class 1 green laser is visible at 
 night (the very reason it is useful for pointing out objects in the 
 sky), so any witnesses would be able to describe where the beam came 
 from.  The laser Rob described is actually bright enough that the 
 beam can be see in the daytime (I'm not sure about in bright 
 sunlight).  I'd like to get one for demonstrations in class but 
 don't have a spare $2K atm.


Retinal damage is a very real problem even with low powered lasers and 
is likely the more frequent type of laser misuse.

 The danger I am thinking about concerns such lasers ability to cut 
through plastics and such. What if one were to use a laser to cut 
through a barrier that separated two chemicals that normally should be 
kept a good distance from each other?
I suspect that the list of such chemicals is much larger than the list 
of chemicals normally searched for, frex when boarding planes.
How about water and phosphorus? I imagine there are also some normally 
innocuous chemicals (precursors) that when combined create a poisonous 
gas or possibly a nerve agent.
Significantly increasing the numbers and types of chemicals that law 
and security agencies *need* to search for is quite a problem.
I expect that I am imagining only the simplest variations of such a 
device. but it seems to me that such a device would be fairly simple 
to build and conceal/disguise.

xponent
Pandora's Box Of Tricks Maru
rob 


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