Speaking of Austin...
Say Julia (and other knowledgable Texans), I'm in Austin for a conference next week. I probably won't have much time during the day, what's to see/do after 5 or so? Good places to eat? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Name Game
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Full-Moon-Mishaps.html?_r=1oref=slogin VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Ever whacked your thumb with a hammer, or wrenched your back after lifting a heavy box, and blamed the full moon? It's a popular notion, but there's no cosmic connection, Austrian government researchers said Tuesday. Robert Seeberger, a physicist and astronomer at the Ministry of Economic Affairs, said a team of experts analyzed 500,000 industrial accidents in Austria between 2000 and 2004 and found no link to lunar activity. ''The full moon does not unfavorably affect the likelihood of an accident,'' Seeberger said. * OK,so that is Robert Seeberger #4. #3 is a scientist in Illinois. #2 is my son. I'm #1. xponent The Solipsist View Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Speaking of Austin...
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Doug wrote: Say Julia (and other knowledgable Texans), I'm in Austin for a conference next week. I probably won't have much time during the day, what's to see/do after 5 or so? Good places to eat? Let's see, you're coming in during prime bat-viewing season; call 512-416-5700 and then punch in category 3636 when prompted to do so, and the message will tell you when the bats will likely be emerging from under the Congress Avenue Bridge. There's good viewing by the Statesman building, just south of the river on the east side of Congress Avenue. If you're staying nearby, I'd just walk there. As far as restaurants go, what sort of cuisine were you interested in? There are 2 Tex-Mex places on Barton Springs Rd. very close to each other, there's a Chinese restaurant right by them (that one has the virtue of being cheap and having vegetarian hot sour soup) and a healthy restaurant (Austin Java) on the same short strip, as well as an Italian restaurant. There's an Ethiopian place that opened up recently right by UT, and I can get recommendations for Greek places, if you're after that. I can probably assemble a *long* list of Tex-Mex places if you ask. :) What days will you be in Austin? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Info on bats at Congress Avenue Bridge in Austin
http://batcon.org/home/index.asp?idPage=122idSubPage=67 Just in case anyone wanted to read about bat viewing. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Religion is Destructive: Why it Must Be Discouraged
Andrew Crystall wrote On 29 Jul 2007 at 18:17, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 02:06 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, Horn, John wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: And the Noahide Laws? Noahide? Isn't that what they used to make couches and chairs out of? I have often seen them called the Noachide laws. Yea those. Serves me right for using phonetic translations from Hebrew... (take wikipedia's version of them with a BIG pinch of salt) It's OK. I would have made the same bad joke no matter which spelling you had used! ;-) - jmh CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information or otherwise protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Noahide Laws
On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:02 PM, jon louis mann wrote: i approve of 2,3,6,7. theft is #4 i will have to reverse my position on idolatory, i assumed it referred to no other GOD before me. i will restate my position on sexual immorality to: i respect the bonds of matrimony, including polygamy, polyandry, open, line, group and serial marriage, as long as it is between consensual adults. While we're on the topic of the big 10, how about these, which I've seen called 10 Commandments for the Third Millennium: 1. Respect and worship any deity within your faith tradition, if you follow one, and support the right of others to do the same. 2. Enjoy and support legal guarantees of freedom of religious belief, practice, assembly and speech for all. 3. Do not use obscene speech in the name of the deities of any religion. 4. Follow the guidance of your faith or secular tradition every day of the week: every day is important. 5. Help to establish social safety nets so that the very young, the elderly, the sick, mentally ill, physically disabled, unemployed, poor and broken will receive adequate medical attention and enjoy at least a minimum standard of living. 6. Minimize the harm you do to others and yourself. Treat others as you would wish to be treated. 7. Do not engage in sexual activity with another person that is coercive, unsafe, manipulative, public or outside of a committed monogamous relationship. 8. Do not steal the property of others, except in case of emergency (and then only if you attempt to replace or pay for it later). 9. Do not lie, either in or out of court. Be honest and truthful at all times. 10. Attempt to be satisfied with your current standard of living; do not obsess over the possessions of others; that path leads to unhappiness. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Name Game
On Aug 1, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote: OK,so that is Robert Seeberger #4. #3 is a scientist in Illinois. #2 is my son. I'm #1. But we'll always treat you like #2. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Noahide Laws
While we're on the topic of the big 10, how about these, which I've seen called 10 Commandments for the Third Millennium: 1. Respect and worship any deity within your faith tradition, if you follow one, and support the right of others to do the same. 2. Enjoy and support legal guarantees of freedom of religious belief, practice, assembly and speech for all. 3. Do not use obscene speech in the name of the deities of any religion. 4. Follow the guidance of your faith or secular tradition every day of the week: every day is important. 5. Help to establish social safety nets so that the very young, the elderly, the sick, mentally ill, physically disabled, unemployed, poor and broken will receive adequate medical attention and enjoy at least a minimum standard of living. 6. Minimize the harm you do to others and yourself. Treat others as you would wish to be treated. 7. Do not engage in sexual activity with another person that is coercive, unsafe, manipulative, public or outside of a committed monogamous relationship. 8. Do not steal the property of others, except in case of emergency (and then only if you attempt to replace or pay for it later). 9. Do not lie, either in or out of court. Be honest and truthful at all times. 10. Attempt to be satisfied with your current standard of living; do not obsess over the possessions of others; that path leads to unhappiness. Dave i concur with most of those, with the exception of fornication outside of monagamy between consenting adults. my concern is about irresponsible sexual behavior that spreads stds, but repressing sexual desire is a bad idea. it forces people to get married at an early age when their hormones are raging and they are less likely to have the mature insight necessary to chose a mate based on criteria other than physical attraction. i woud admend your first parameter to include toleration of those who believe there is no such thing as a deity. jonsan Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Name Game
On 1 Aug 2007 at 4:29, Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Full-Moon-Mishaps.html?_r=1oref=slogin VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Ever whacked your thumb with a hammer, or wrenched your back after lifting a heavy box, and blamed the full moon? It's a popular notion, but there's no cosmic connection, Austrian government researchers said Tuesday. I see the competitors for the next IgNoble awards are getting rolling. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 31 Jul 2007 at 20:17, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Just a couple quibbles. There are in fact stacks of religions which claim literalism. *All* fundamentalist interpretations of *all* sects do so. ... Absolute rubbish, I'm afraid. Within Judaism the tiny Kairite movement is literalist, and the only one of any size (15,000) whatsoever*. The ultra-religious Jewish movements like the Haredi or Chabad-Lubavitch are most certainly not litteralists. (Indeed, the Haredi stress on Panenthistic principles over Torah study caused some bitter divisions within the Jewish community when it was founded) (*Jews for Jesus are literalists. However, all the Jewish authorities consider them a Christian rather than Jewish sect.) The Koran, Tripitaka, Bhagavad Gita, Bible et cetera are just texts written by people and have no more claim to divine afflatus than the Norse Eddas, the secret texts of Scientology or even my shopping list? Um, sharp differentation there. Scientology is an presently and actively dangerous *criminal organisation*. So putting it in a list with anything else is wrong. We don't tolerate the Mafia, why do we tolerate scientology again? Oh right, Tom Cruise. *thud*. That aside, the Catholic church actively engaged in hiding priest-rapists for *decades*. There are strong indications they still do so. This fits well into my definition of criminal behavior. There is no aside (and I'd have more to say otherwise). If you are willing to tolerate Scientology, then why criticise any religious ideology? If you are unwilling to condem the clear criminal actions taken by an actively and presently dangerous cult (which is NOT a religion - see for example its utter denial of being a religion in countries like Israel) which exists purely to enrich a core of non- believers... AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Speaking of Austin...
Julia wrote: Let's see, you're coming in during prime bat-viewing season; call 512-416-5700 and then punch in category 3636 when prompted to do so, and the message will tell you when the bats will likely be emerging from under the Congress Avenue Bridge. There's good viewing by the Statesman building, just south of the river on the east side of Congress Avenue. If you're staying nearby, I'd just walk there. Cool. I'm staying near the capitol which seems to be relatively close by. As far as restaurants go, what sort of cuisine were you interested in? Good food, relatively mild, no sesame oil, picky about seafood. There are 2 Tex-Mex places on Barton Springs Rd. very close to each other, there's a Chinese restaurant right by them (that one has the virtue of being cheap and having vegetarian hot sour soup) and a healthy restaurant (Austin Java) on the same short strip, as well as an Italian restaurant. There's an Ethiopian place that opened up recently right by UT, and I can get recommendations for Greek places, if you're after that. I can probably assemble a *long* list of Tex-Mex places if you ask. :) What days will you be in Austin? I'm arriving Monday evening and leaving Thursday evening. Where's that bookstore you mentioned earlier? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Speaking of Austin...
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, pencimen wrote: Julia wrote: What days will you be in Austin? I'm arriving Monday evening and leaving Thursday evening. Where's that bookstore you mentioned earlier? 6th Lamar, basically. It's a bit of a hike, but if you do it when it's not too hot, it can be a reasonably pleasant walk. I'd go to 6th St. from where you are and then head west until you get to Lamar. The only thing I'd caution you about is that there's a little creek or something you cross at some point, and there may be poison ivy crowding the sidewalk near there. Once you get to Lamar, turn right, then right into the parking lot, and you'll see it in all its multi-story glory. It is absolutley wonderful for browsing. (Or you can just take a cab.) The Whole Foods flagship store is just across 6th from that corner, and Waterloo Records is just across Lamar from there. If you continue just a bit further on 6th past Lamar, there's an Amy's Ice Cream, which if you really like ice cream is something you ought to try while you're in town. Whole Foods is open until 10PM, Book People is open until 11, Waterloo Records I'm not sure about but I'm pretty sure is at least until 11, and Amy's I'm not sure of, but the Friday night of the Harry Potter book release, they kept it open past 1AM. (And I got slightly discounted Darth Chocolate ice cream after I picked up my books.) Oh, and there's a lot of ready-to-eat prepared foods at that Whole Foods, with seating indoors AND outdoors (and up on a roof section, even, by a playscape) for consuming it. I would not recommend the sushi there, though -- if you want sushi, let me know, and I'll get locations of any good places around downtown. Pretty much anything else is going to be good, if it's something that would appeal to you anyway. You could have a pretty sweet evening of it going to Whole Foods for your dinner, over to Waterloo to look at music, Amy's for a bit of ice cream and Book People for browsing for the rest of the evening. (There's also an REI store by the Book People; they close at 9, and don't have as big a selection as the other store in Austin, which is out Northwest some.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Noahide Laws
Dave Land wrote: While we're on the topic of the big 10, how about these, which I've seen called 10 Commandments for the Third Millennium: The problem with any of these lists: they are either incomplete, ambiguous or too restrictive. And they never consider that some things that everybody believes is good may, in the future, be considered evil. A trivial example: there might be a law to burn the dead bodies, made with the very good intention of preventing the transmission of disease. However, in the XXI Century, this would be an immoral discharge of CO2, and this law should be replaced by transform the dead bodies into biofuel. 1. Respect and worship any deity within your faith tradition, if you follow one, and support the right of others to do the same. Ok, so I see a group of Quetzalcoatl worshippers, looking for some human sacrificial victims to improve the crop. Should I respect their right? 3. Do not use obscene speech in the name of the deities of any religion. What if _my_ deity encourages obscene speech as a form of emphasis? Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, and why we died. All that matters is that today, two stood against many. Valor pleases you, so grant me this one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, the HELL with you! 5. Help to establish social safety nets so that the very young, the elderly, the sick, mentally ill, physically disabled, unemployed, poor and broken will receive adequate medical attention and enjoy at least a minimum standard of living. Does the class very young include fetuses? Does sick include braindeaded? 6. Minimize the harm you do to others and yourself. Treat others as you would wish to be treated. Not enough. A masochist would become a sadist. 7. Do not engage in sexual activity with another person that is coercive, unsafe, manipulative, public or outside of a committed monogamous relationship. Why the prejudice against consensual polygamy? Why the prejudice against consensual orgiastic behaviour? 7. contradicts 2. [or 4.] if my deity is a (non-bloodthirsty) fertility god. 8. Do not steal the property of others, except in case of emergency (and then only if you attempt to replace or pay for it later). And the right _not_ to be stolen? 9. Do not lie, either in or out of court. Be honest and truthful at all times. Right, so when the nazi stormtroopers ask me where are the jews? I should reply that they are under the table? 10. Attempt to be satisfied with your current standard of living; do not obsess over the possessions of others; that path leads to unhappiness. Why I should not have the right to pursuit unhappiness? Alberto Monteiro the Contrarian ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On Aug 1, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 31 Jul 2007 at 20:17, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Just a couple quibbles. There are in fact stacks of religions which claim literalism. *All* fundamentalist interpretations of *all* sects do so. ... Absolute rubbish, I'm afraid. Within Judaism the tiny Kairite movement is literalist, and the only one of any size (15,000) whatsoever*. The ultra-religious Jewish movements like the Haredi or Chabad-Lubavitch are most certainly not litteralists. Then I stand corrected. How about virtually all instead of all? Um, sharp differentation there. Scientology is an presently and actively dangerous *criminal organisation*. So putting it in a list with anything else is wrong. We don't tolerate the Mafia, why do we tolerate scientology again? Oh right, Tom Cruise. *thud*. That aside, the Catholic church actively engaged in hiding priest-rapists for *decades*. There are strong indications they still do so. This fits well into my definition of criminal behavior. There is no aside (and I'd have more to say otherwise). If you are willing to tolerate Scientology, then why criticise any religious ideology? When did I indicate a willingness to tolerate Scientology? I find them silly at best and, yes, criminal at worst. I was just pointing out that the problems aren't exclusive to Hubbard's silly little cult. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Brineller quoted in New York Times
Gautam Mukunda is quoted in the July 31 NY Times piece on Chelsea Clinton. He comments about Chelsea's stint at McKinsey: Because clients often prefer McKinsey to remain invisible, the work was quiet, allowing Ms. Clinton and her peers to pretend that she was just another freshly hatched graduate. “When she was at parties with us, she was one of the group,” said Gautam Mukunda, whose office was a few doors down from hers. “From what I know of her father, he has never been in any room in which he was not the center of attention, starting from before he became president. Chelsea has a deeply admirable ability to yield focus.” The entire article is at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/us/politics/31chelsea.html. amf john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Shorter Barack Obama: Kill ’em all and let Go d sort ’em out!
I think it might be easier to decide whom to vote for in ’08 based on how many stupid things any given candidate has yet *failed* to say. Barack Obama canceled himself out for me today. From the Beeb: US presidential candidate Barack Obama has said he would order military action against al-Qaeda in Pakistan without the consent of Pakistan’s government. Blogged here, FWIW. http://indigestible.nightwares.com/2007/08/01/big-mistake-barack/ -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brineller quoted in New York Times
On Aug 1, 2007, at 6:39 PM, John Garcia wrote: Gautam Mukunda is quoted in the July 31 NY Times piece on Chelsea Clinton. He comments about Chelsea's stint at McKinsey: [...] “From what I know of her father, he has never been in any room in which he was not the center of attention, starting from before he became president. Chelsea has a deeply admirable ability to yield focus.” What a nicely backhanded compliment. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Barack Obama
i met obama on a flight to chicago last december. he seemed very young, idealistic, and inexperienced, but a charming fellow, nonetheless. he has definitely alienated his supporters on the daily kos. certainly his handlers are steering him away from the left of the party and more toward the center, which realistically is where the majority of votes are to be found. remember what happened to mcgovern in 72, despite the fact that america was against the war. i think the electorate wants the us out of iraq, but they want to finish the job in afghanistan. if it means going into the mountains bordering pakistan, and putting an end to the resurgence of the taliban, americans want to get osama. i don't know how realistic it is to fight in those mountains, but i expect it will come to that once the troops pull out of iraq. obama may make it on the ticket with hillary, or biden (if hillary stumbles, which i doubt). dark horse richardson could conceivably gain momentum and pass edwards. i like kucinich's platform, but he is too far to the left to win the nomination, and a bit of a dweeb (his wife is hot, though). jlm US presidential candidate Barack Obama has said he would order military action against al-Qaeda in Pakistan without the consent of Pakistans government. Diplomacy first, last and always. War is the last recourse of a failed negotiator. It is not the first option of anyone but socially-maladapted cowboys. We have had more than a bellyful of war and killing, and we are getting tired of asshat politicians, who know they will never be personally risking their lives, who seem so goddamned willing to put our boys and girls into harms way at a whim. Ive been keeping well away from the contenders races; I find all the current candidates contemptible. Not because theyre horrible people, but because many of them are elected officials now and seem to believe they should spend the next two years not doing the jobs they were hired to do so they can instead seek office elsewhere. Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Barack Obama
On Aug 1, 2007, at 8:41 PM, jon louis mann wrote: i met obama on a flight to chicago last december. he seemed very young, idealistic, and inexperienced, but a charming fellow, nonetheless. he has definitely alienated his supporters on the daily kos. Huh. I don't read Kos and it's not on my blogroll. That is neither a boast nor a confession, but I thought it was worth mentioning. remember what happened to mcgovern in 72, despite the fact that america was against the war. i think the electorate wants the us out of iraq, but they want to finish the job in afghanistan. Both are probably valid, yeah. Afghanistan was rational and sensible; I've commented often (here and in my blog) on the stupidity behind Iraq when we damned well could have helped Afghanistan rebuild and become a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, sort of like how we helped Japan and Germany after WWII. I have yet to meet even the most staunch defender of Bush who can come up with a good reason *WHY* we didn't just Stay The Course with Afghanistan and leave the rest of the ME alone. if it means going into the mountains bordering pakistan, and putting an end to the resurgence of the taliban, americans want to get osama. Maybe. I'm not so sure. For one thing, the Taliban are not OBL; they're a separate group of Islamic extremists. Left only to themselves, I think the Taliban and the Qaeda would quickly kill one another in violent internecine conflict. It was conflation of the Taliban with the Qaeda that allowed Americans to be lulled and lied into a pointless war on two fronts. Further, I'm not sure at all that the US wants Osama so bad we'd be willing to invade yet another nation -- this one nuclear-capable. The pro-peace groundswell is mounting fast, and I think a lot of politicians have lost sight of just how tired the US is of war, and I think that a man or woman who stood up and said we'd rather have peace and end it, and get Osama quietly, would do pretty damn well. And -- here's the clincher -- even if it meant Osama would escape. If we ignore the figurehead and instead gut out the reasons for the Qaeda to exist, isn't that a hell of a fine turn-around? What good is OBL if he's left doddering in his caves and rambling insanely to no one, left without a stage on which to declaim any longer, bereft of followers? If that was the trade for ending the stupidity of al-Qaeda, I'd take it. Osama is one man. He is not the one who actually flew airplanes into anything; he is not the one who planted bombs in Madrid or London. If we remove the food, the organism dies; why seek the superfluous heart when we can starve the irreplaceable belly? Fifteen years ago I got into casual debates with very insightful friends about the then-burgeoning threat of China. (It was a much simpler time.) I proposed a solution: Give them the Internet. Let them play in the freedom of cyberspace, let them become dependent on the flow of information-rich sources such as Europe and the US. Not on the governmental level; saturate the *people* with this free exchange of Forbidden Ideas, and see how long China actually remains a threat to the Rest of the World™. Huh. And now we want to attack Iran, and we're babbling about Pakistan? Hmm. How much would it actually cost to wire everyone there to the net? Unfortunately we haven't had a chance to see what the reaction would be; no prominent politician seems to be willing to trust the US people enough to actually give voice to what so many of us so obviously want. They'd rather drape and drip in the blood of the flag; they'd rather cant left in their speeches, when the left they're touting was the right just three decades ago. Patriotism appears indeed to be the last refuge of scoundrels. Obama's off my list. I'm waiting for others, Dem, Repub and cetera, to remove themselves similarly. obama may make it on the ticket with hillary, or biden (if hillary stumbles, which i doubt). dark horse richardson could conceivably gain momentum and pass edwards. i like kucinich's platform, but he is too far to the left to win the nomination, and a bit of a dweeb (his wife is hot, though). Here's my dream ticket. Gore and Kucinich. Think about that for a while. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brineller quoted in New York Times
She has a hedge fund job? Better get her resumes out - they are crashing like cheap pinatas at a birthday party. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ __ The totem animals of Wall Street are the bull, the bear, the hog, and the ostrich. From: John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Brineller quoted in New York Times Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:39:30 -0400 Gautam Mukunda is quoted in the July 31 NY Times piece on Chelsea Clinton. He comments about Chelsea's stint at McKinsey: Because clients often prefer McKinsey to remain invisible, the work was quiet, allowing Ms. Clinton and her peers to pretend that she was just another freshly hatched graduate. When she was at parties with us, she was one of the group, said Gautam Mukunda, whose office was a few doors down from hers. From what I know of her father, he has never been in any room in which he was not the center of attention, starting from before he became president. Chelsea has a deeply admirable ability to yield focus. The entire article is at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/us/politics/31chelsea.html. amf john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
