Re: CoS in the news

2008-02-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
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 On 28 Jan 2008, at 03:47, Robert Seeberger wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 How could a law protect these genuine religions
 and also ban the original Scientologists at the same time?

 Easily! You take away the COSI's tax-exempt status away and give it 
 to
 the splinter groups. That would do more to damage the COS and 
 enhance
 a measure of justice than just about anything else. BTW, that is
 basically what Anonymous is trying to achieve by causing 
 *exposure*.


 My point was - how do you do that? Since we have established that
 Scientology can pass the religion test it would have to be because 
 it
 does awful things under the guise of religion. Like the the
 Unification Church. Or the the Catholic Church sheltering pedophile
 priests.  Or the fact that under Islam the penalty for  converting
 from the true faith is death.

 Rose sellers Maru.
Hare Krishnas they aint!

But for some info The Economist spouts:
http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10609174

An online onslaught against Scientology


A VICIOUS cult run by cynical fraudsters, or a sincerely held 
religious belief persecuted by zealots? That is the long-standing row 
about Scientology, founded by the late science-fiction writer, L. Ron 
Hubbard. In some countries, such as Germany, the group is watched by 
the security services. In others, such as America and Australia, it 
has won charitable status as a religion.

Until now the fight could mostly be seen as one-sided. Scientology's 
lawyers are vigorous litigants. The group argues that its internal 
materials (which claim, among other things, that expensive courses of 
treatment can help rid people of infestation by alien souls from an 
extinct civilisation) are commercially confidential and protected by 
copyright. They react sharply to any perceived libel.

As a result, public critics of what they derisively term “$cientology” 
risk expensive legal battles. For example, a new unauthorised 
biography of Tom Cruise by a British author, Andrew Morton, contains 
detailed and highly critical material about the film star's 
involvement in Scientology. It is a bestseller in America but has not 
been published in Britain. The publisher, St Martin's Press, has even 
asked internet booksellers not to ship it to foreign customers. Though 
Scientology representatives vehemently deny breaking any laws, critics 
have claimed that they experience intensive harassment and 
intimidation.

Now Scientology is under attack from a group of internet activists 
known only as Anonymous. Organised from a Wikipedia-style website 
(editable by anyone) and through anonymous internet chat rooms, 
“Project Chanology”, as the initiative is known, presents no easy 
target for Scientology's lawyers. It is promoting cyberwarfare 
techniques normally associated with extortionists, spies and 
terrorists. Called “distributed denial of service attacks”, these 
typically involve using networks of infected computers to bombard the 
target's websites and servers with bogus requests for data, causing 
them to crash. Even governments find this troublesome.

Anonymous is also hoping to galvanise public opinion with a mass 
“real-world” protest outside every Scientology office worldwide on 
February 10th. But its best weapon may be ridicule. The group got 
going in reaction to efforts to ban an internal Scientology video of 
Mr Cruise that leaked onto the internet. The star appears to discuss 
his beliefs with a degree of incoherence and exaggeration that might 
lead some to question Scientology's effects on its adherents' sanity. 
A Scientology spokesman says it has been selectively edited. Several 
internet sites have taken it down after threats of lawsuits. But it 
keeps popping up. 



Same tactics as the Jesuits, right?

LULZG



xponent

I Heir You Leik Mudkips Maru

rob


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Re: CoS in the news

2008-02-01 Thread William T Goodall

On 1 Feb 2008, at 03:11, Robert Seeberger wrote:


 Same tactics as the Jesuits, right?

 LULZG


Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.


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Re: CoS in the news

2008-02-01 Thread Julia Thompson


On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, William T Goodall wrote:


 On 1 Feb 2008, at 03:11, Robert Seeberger wrote:


 Same tactics as the Jesuits, right?

 LULZG


 Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition!

http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163

(I love just hitting the Random Fact link every so often)

Julia

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Re: CoS in the news

2008-02-01 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On 2/1/08, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition!

 http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163

My favorite may be Bruce Schneier once decrypted a box of AlphaBits.

And Schneier's book, _Secrets and Lies: Digital Security in a
Networked World_ is well worth the twelve bucks (US) it costs at
Amazon.  It would be worth it at several multiples of that price.

And before this thread veers even further off it's original course,
can I ask one question?  Did anyone else see the subject heading and
think it might be about either a Hugo-winning episode of Babylon 5 or
maybe one of the Harry Potter books?

-- 
Mauro Diotallevi
Alcohol and calculus don't mix.  Don't drink and derive.
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