Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread Dave Land
Folks,

This weekend, some folks on the Interwebs will be conducting a Blog
Against Theocracy event. It doesn't appear to have an official
sponsor, but First Freedom First, a group that stands for
church-state separation (good for both sides of that divide, I think
we may all agree) seems to be strongly behind it.

Read more, and blog against theocracy (if you have a blog and are so
inclined):

 http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/20/162647/609

Apparently, the way it works is that you write your blog entry in
support of the separation of church and state, then send in the URL
via a form on blogagainsttheocracy.com.

I think this is mainly intended for citizens of the USA, because
blog entries are expected to support the US Constitution's separation
of church and state, but it's a big constitution: it can inspire
you no matter where you live.

By the way, it's _not_ about bashing religion: as one of the folks
pulling it together writes:

 The theme [of the blogswarm], like always, is the Separation of
 Church and State — we are for it. But the variations on the theme
 are many...This is not a bashing of religion - peeps can believe
 what they choose, however they choose — but it is a reminder that
 the Government should keep out of religion, and Religion should  
keep
 out of the government.

Dave

___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: 'Lost'

2008-03-21 Thread William T Goodall

On 21 Mar 2008, at 03:24, Jim Sharkey wrote:

 Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
 One thing not unique to that show is that most viewers will not
 appreciate it when things happen which may be subplots or may be
 integral to the main plot but because it's an open-ended series

 Nope.  It has an end.  ABC and the Lost crew agreed to end the series
 around episode 100, give or take.

Which probably has something to do with the way the plot has been  
moving forward at a greatly accelerated pace this season.


End in sight Maru.


-- 
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/

Most people have more than the average number of legs.


___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 20 Mar 2008 at 23:36, Dave Land wrote:

 Folks,
 
 This weekend, some folks on the Interwebs will be conducting a Blog
 Against Theocracy event. It doesn't appear to have an official
 sponsor, but First Freedom First, a group that stands for
 church-state separation (good for both sides of that divide, I think
 we may all agree) seems to be strongly behind it.

No.

All an explicit Church-State divide does is mean that politicians 
cannot explicitly be called on their overtly religious policies, 
because there is this divide in place so they couldn't *possibly* 
be religious.

When people are elected by a religious electorate, on religious 
policies, a divide is make-believe and only serves to prevent 
rational and mature discussion of policy. In a reprisentative 
democracy, you will have people elected who are religious by 
religious people - if you don't like this, you should be looking for 
another political system.

Oh, and it gets in the way of this is what some people believe 
religious education in schools.

AndrewC
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: 'Lost'

2008-03-21 Thread Jim Sharkey

William T Goodall wrote:
Jim Sharkey wrote:
ABC and the Lost crew agreed to end the series around episode 100
Which probably has something to do with the way the plot has been  
moving forward at a greatly accelerated pace this season.

Absolutely.  Getting an official end date for the series was the best
thing that could have happened to it.  It avoids the X-Files scenario
of just running out of things to do and lets everyone involved plan
for the future a lot better.

Jim
Fans 1, Suckage 0 Maru

___
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!


___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Genes show Latin America's past

2008-03-21 Thread William T Goodall
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7308102.stm

Genes show Latin America's past

Results from a genetic study of Latin America suggest most Latin  
Americans are descended from European men and Native American or  
African women.
Scientists say the study, said to be the largest of its kind, backs up  
historical theories about the Spanish Conquistadors of the 16th Century.

The research involved genetic analysis of over 300 individuals from  
across seven countries from Mexico to Chile.

Details of the study are published in the online journal PLoS Genetics.

The genetic research was conducted by universities across Latin  
America, the US and Europe.

'Genetic continuity'

Close genetic analysis of blood samples from across the region show,  
the researchers claim, that the majority of Latin Americans can trace  
their origins some 13 generations back to the time of the Conquistadors.

What is more, they say, the genes suggest most are a product of a  
match between a European male settler and a Native American or African  
woman.

This supports the historical argument that European colonisers killed  
off many of the native men and had sex with native women or with  
African slaves.

Professor Andres Ruiz-Linares of University College London, who led  
the study, says that it goes some way to rescuing the past of Latin  
America and what he calls the living presence of Native Americans  
throughout the region.

He says despite many past attempts to erase Native Americans from the  
history of the Latin America, the new research shows there is  
substantial genetic continuity between the pre- and post-Columbian  
populations.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/7308102.stm

Published: 2008/03/21 04:38:04 GMT

© BBC MMVIII


-- 
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/

And yes, OSX is marvelous. Its merest bootlace, Windows is not worthy  
to kiss. - David Brin

___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


The Postman

2008-03-21 Thread Pat Mathews

http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF202-Post_Apocalyptic.jpg


http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/



___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


RE: The Postman

2008-03-21 Thread Jim Sharkey

Pat Mathews wrote:
http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF202-Post_Apocalyptic.jpg

Hehehe.  It's a shame that strip is going away, as I understand it.

Jim
Kevin Costner Always Rings Twice Maru

___
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!


___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: 'Lost'

2008-03-21 Thread Julia Thompson


On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 05:52 PM Thursday 3/20/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:


 On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 05:12 PM Thursday 3/20/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:


 On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Dave Land wrote:

 It is true that 90% of Brin-L Posts are crap, too.

 Dave

 Self-Reverential Maru

 And my post here is one of the crap ones.  :)

 Julia



 Figurative crap is like literal crap:  if you try to hold it in and
 don't let it out on a regular basis, you will have bigger problems
 than if you let it out regularly . . .

 Which is why I'm on multiple mailing lists in which crap is tolerated, so
 I can spread it around and it doesn't get piled too high or deep.

 Julia



 So you are not working toward your Ph.D.?


 . . . ronn!  :)

Nope.  :)

Julia

___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: 'Lost'

2008-03-21 Thread Julia Thompson


On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 05:51 PM Thursday 3/20/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:



 Wait until seasons 1-4 are all out on DVD, then rent them and watch 4 to 8
 episodes a week.  Then you don't have to remember piddly details for
 months, just for a few weeks.  :)



 Or chuck it and watch Law and Order instead . . .

*Very* good plan, IMO!  :)

Julia

___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: 'Lost'

2008-03-21 Thread Jim Sharkey

Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
 Or chuck it and watch Law and Order instead . . .
*Very* good plan, IMO!  :)

Not sure I agree.  I've seen so many LO episodes over the past 10+
years that the twist is almost always obvious and it kind of
ruins the show for me.  And the mini-sermon wrap up at the end of the
show has gotten grating.  Might be familiarity breeding contempt, but
still...

Jim

___
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!


___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: The Postman

2008-03-21 Thread rscully

Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

-Original Message-
From: Pat Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:07:48 
To:Brin List brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: The Postman



http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF202-Post_Apocalyptic.jpg


http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/



___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Diet

2008-03-21 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM, jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you must be a healthy guy, in spite not eating fruit.  i try to follow
 epicurus, pleasure is man's good, in moderation.  i do have a sweet
 tooth, and eat some kind of meat almost every day, but i don't over
 eat, and i exercise, so i am more fit than most americans half my age.


I, on the other hand, am physically pfft.  :-)

(Obligatory second line.)

-- 
Mauro Diotallevi
Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive.
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



 All an explicit Church-State divide does is mean that politicians
 cannot explicitly be called on their overtly religious policies,
 because there is this divide in place so they couldn't *possibly*
 be religious.


I don't see how that can be.  It means that churches can't interfere in
elections.  It means that government cannot do anything that would make a
particular religion official or in any way coerce people to choose a
particular religion.  Those are big deals to me, especially when there are
some very wealthy churches around and some very aggressively religious
elected officials.

I do see a problem with religion that intentionally leads people away from
critical thinking (about voting or anything else), but if government is a
solution to that problem, it is through education.  Religion goes too far
when it urges people to refrain from thinking critically about matters that
are not matters of faith.  I tend to interpret that as an unwillingness to
live with doubt, a sure sign of trouble.

It seems to me that maintaining separation of church and state demands that
we educate people to discern such matters so that they don't vote for people
who are unable or unwilling to see a clear difference between matters of
faith and matters of fact and science.

Nick

-- 
Nick Arnett
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Messages: 408-904-7198
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Andrew Crystall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All an explicit Church-State divide does is mean that politicians
 cannot explicitly be called on their overtly religious policies,
 because there is this divide in place so they couldn't *possibly*
 be religious.

 When people are elected by a religious electorate, on religious
 policies, a divide is make-believe and only serves to prevent
 rational and mature discussion of policy. In a reprisentative
 democracy, you will have people elected who are religious by
 religious people - if you don't like this, you should be looking for
 another political system.

 Oh, and it gets in the way of this is what some people believe
 religious education in schools.

The Founding Fathers(tm) seem to have put a lot of thought into
protecting the minority against the tyrrany of the majority, at least
according to Page Smith in his landmark book, _The Constitution: A
Documentary and Narrative History_.

Separation of church and state is an important way in which the United
States protects believers in minority religions from the tyrrany of
being told they must believe exactly as the majority tells them.  That
does not mean that religious people must leave their faith at the door
when serving in a public office.  It just means that they must respect
the fact that others have a right to believe as their conscience
dictates, and that reasonable people can reasonably disagree.

But in the end, those disagreements aren't really as large as we like
to pretend they are.

In the end, as a good friend of mine once wrote, we all want more or
less the same things.  We want to be happy.  We want to be free from
persecution.  We want to be economically stable.  We want access to
the good things in life, however we personally define those things.
Both in religion and in politics, people from all parts of the
spectrum want basically these same things.  We just differ in opinions
as to the best way to achieve these things.  When people complain that
the candidates for a particular office are basically the same, I
usually reply that they wouldn't want it any other way.  Very rarely
do the differences in approach reach the importance that they have in
this election cycle.

At its best, an explicit Church-State divide ensures that we can hear
every opinion as to which path we should take to reach for the things
we all want.

Separation of Church and State also empowers and supports what I
believe is the most important and most neglected value in today's
society: empathy.

I currently work at an inner-city K-8 school with a student population
poor enough that just over 90% of our students qualify for the federal
free and reduced lunch program.  One thing separates the students who
succeed and those who don't.  That thing is the ability to step
outside of themselves and see things from another person's point of
view.  The students who practice empathy are almost always the
students who get good grades and stay out of trouble.  When a student
learns empathy, other traits such as respect for peers and respect for
authority come as natural results.  Empathic students don't get into
fights with each other because they have fewer disagreements with
their peers, and they have fewer disagreements because they actively
try to see things from their peers' point of view.  Empathic students
don't smart off to teachers because they try to see things from the
teachers' point of view.  Empathic students always look for other
points of view, other ways to see things.  That means that empathic
students are clever and creative students, good problem solvers,
because creativity and the ability to solve complex problems is
basically the ability to look at the same things that everyone else
has looked at and to see something new and different.

I started this e-mail by mentioning that the framers of the US
constitution found it important to protect the minority from the
tyrrany of the majority.  That is basically enforced empathy.  If
empathy isn't the ultimate survival skill in the modern world, it
certainly is at least a contender.  If we had more empathy in this
country, in this world, then it would be not only a much more pleasant
place to live, but also a much safer place.

But then again, maybe I'm just a naive optimist.

-- 
Mauro Diotallevi
Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive.
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:49 AM Friday 3/21/2008, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
When people complain that
the candidates for a particular office are basically the same, I
usually reply that they wouldn't want it any other way.



Although it would be refreshing to find candidates for the 
legislative branch at any level of government whose first priority 
when they get into session is something other than voting to increase 
their own salaries . . .


. . . ronn!  :)



___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread William T Goodall

On 21 Mar 2008, at 15:53, Nick Arnett wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 wrote:



 All an explicit Church-State divide does is mean that politicians
 cannot explicitly be called on their overtly religious policies,
 because there is this divide in place so they couldn't *possibly*
 be religious.


 It seems to me that maintaining separation of church and state  
 demands that
 we educate people to discern such matters so that they don't vote  
 for people
 who are unable or unwilling to see a clear difference between  
 matters of
 faith and matters of fact and science.


The only effective way of separating church and state is to forbid  
those infected with religion from voting or holding political office.


Utopian Maru.


-- 
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/

I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great  
evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. -  
Richard Dawkins



___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Genes show Latin America's past

2008-03-21 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7308102.stm

 Genes show Latin America's past

 Results from a genetic study of Latin America suggest most Latin
 Americans are descended from European men and Native American or
 African women.
 Scientists say the study, said to be the largest of its kind, backs up
 historical theories about the Spanish Conquistadors of the 16th Century.

This is old news here in Brazil. But the conclusion is pure nonsense:

 This supports the historical argument that European colonisers killed
 off many of the native men and had sex with native women or with
 African slaves.

The _religion_ [William will love this] of the natives preached that
each woman should try to get babies from the fiercest warrior.
Europeans-with-guns perfectly matched this characteristic, so they
knocked all native girls.

Alberto Monteiro
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 21 Mar 2008 at 18:23, William T Goodall wrote:

 The only effective way of separating church and state is to forbid  
 those infected with religion from voting or holding political office.

So basically you're for severely restricting the franchise. Funny, 
when it was expanded it was done in the name of liberty and equality 
among people, if you contact it...

AndrewC
Dawn Falcon

___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 21 Mar 2008 at 8:53, Nick Arnett wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 
 
  All an explicit Church-State divide does is mean that politicians
  cannot explicitly be called on their overtly religious policies,
  because there is this divide in place so they couldn't *possibly*
  be religious.
 
 
 I don't see how that can be.  It means that churches can't interfere in
 elections. 

Religious communities tend to vote for certain candidates, in any 
country, though.

 It means that government cannot do anything that would make a
 particular religion official or in any way coerce people to choose a
 particular religion.

Those to me are entirely separate issues from an explicit church-
state divide. It's nonsense when someone who is religious, elected by 
an overwhelmingly religious community, has his actions (in line with 
his religion) taken to be entirely secular in their basis.

Strong laws for tolerance and equality do more than any dividing line 
between the state and any given non-violent belief structure.

 Those are big deals to me, especially when there are
 some very wealthy churches around and some very aggressively religious
 elected officials.

Get back to me when the CoS has been tossed out of messing with 
politics, huh? They abuse the principle, nastily.

I live in the UK. As far as I can see, it's easier to discuss 
religious influences in politics and to point out where certain 
opinions are coming from, making them less paletable on tolerance 
grounds, than it would be in America precisely because we don't have 
this line blocking debate on the topic.

AndrewC
Dawn Falcon

___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: Blog Against Theocracy

2008-03-21 Thread William T Goodall

On 21 Mar 2008, at 21:59, Andrew Crystall wrote:
 On 21 Mar 2008 at 18:23, William T Goodall wrote:

 The only effective way of separating church and state is to forbid
 those infected with religion from voting or holding political office.

 So basically you're for severely restricting the franchise. Funny,
 when it was expanded it was done in the name of liberty and equality
 among people, if you contact it...


The USA already restricts the franchise by (in many states) removing  
the right to vote from people with criminal convictions and from those  
deemed mentally ill or incapable.

Extending this restriction to those incapable of telling infantile  
superstition from reality seems perfectly sensible.

Invisible pink unicorns Maru.

-- 
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/

I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great  
evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. -  
Richard Dawkins



___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Re: 'Lost'

2008-03-21 Thread Lance A. Brown


Jim Sharkey said the following on 3/21/2008 11:22 AM:
 Not sure I agree.  I've seen so many LO episodes over the past 10+
 years that the twist is almost always obvious and it kind of
 ruins the show for me.  And the mini-sermon wrap up at the end of the
 show has gotten grating.  Might be familiarity breeding contempt, but
 still...

I'm liking the new episodes.  Cutter has injected some new balls to the 
wall energy.

-- 
  Celebrate The Circle   http://www.celebratethecircle.org/
  Carolina Spirit Quest  http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/
  GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9
  CACert.org Assurer
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l


Fwd: Interesting Day

2008-03-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Good Friday! Happy Purim, Eid, etc...


Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2008 By DAVID VAN BIEMA WITH SIMON ROBINSON/NEW DELHI


On Friday more than a billion Christians around the world will mark 
the gravest observance on their Calendar, Good Friday, the day Jesus 
died on the cross. (To be followed in two days by Easter Sunday, to 
mark his Resurrection).

But unlike some holy days, say, Christmas, which some non-Christians 
in the U.S. observe informally by going to a movie and ordering 
Chinese food, on this particular Friday, March 21, it seems almost no 
believer of any sort will be left without his or her own holiday. In 
what is statistically, at least, a once-in-a-millennium combination, 
the following will all occur on the 21st:

Good Friday
Purim, a Jewish festival celebrating the biblical book of Esther
Narouz, the Persian New Year, which is observed with Islamic 
elaboration in Iran and all the stan countries, as well as by 
Zoroastrians and Baha'is.
Eid Milad an Nabi, the Birth of the Prophet, which is celebrated by 
some but not all Sunni Muslims and, though officially beginning on 
Thursday, is often marked on Friday.
Small Holi, Hindu, an Indian festival of bonfires, to be followed on 
Saturday by Holi, a kind of Mardi Gras.
Magha Puja, a celebration of the Buddha's first group of followers, 
marked primarily in Thailand.

Half the world's population is going to be celebrating something, 
says Raymond Clothey, Professor Emeritus of Religious studies at the 
University of Pittsburgh. My goodness, says Delton Krueger, owner 
of www.interfaithcalendar.org, who follows 14 major religions and 
six others. He counts 20 holidays altogether (including some 
religious double-dips, like Maundy Thursday and Good Friday) between 
the 20th (which is also quite crowded) and the 21st. He marvels: 
There is no other time in 2008 when there is this kind of concentration.

And in fact for quite a bit longer than that. Ed Reingold and Nachum 
Dershowitz, co-authors of the books Calendrical Calculations and 
Calendrical Tabulations, determined how often in the period between 
1600 and 2400 A.D. Good Friday, Purim, Narouz and the Eid would occur 
in the same week. The answer is nine times in 800 years. Then they 
tackled the odds that they would converge on a two-day period. And 
the total is ... only once: tomorrow. And that's not even counting 
Magha Puja and Small Holi.

Unless you are mathematically inclined, however, you may not see the 
logic in all this. If it's the 21st of March, you may ask, shouldn't 
all the religions of the world celebrate the same holiday on that 
date each year?

No. There are a sprinkling of major holidays (Western Christmas is 
one) that fall each year on the same day of the Gregorian calendar, a 
fairly standard non-religious system and the one Americans are most 
familiar with.

But almost none of tomorrow's holidays actually follows that 
calendar. All Muslim holy days, for instance, are calculated on a 
lunar system. Keyed to the phases of the moon, Islam's 12 months are 
each 29 and a half days long, for a total of 354 days a year, or 11 
days fewer than on ours. That means the holidays rotate backward 
around the Gregorian calendar, occurring 11 days earlier each year. 
That is why you can have an easy Ramadan in the spring, when going 
without water all day is relatively easy, or a hard one in the 
summer. And why the Prophet's birthday will be on March 9 next year.

Then there is the Jewish calendar, which determines the placement of 
Purim. It is lunisolar, which means that holidays wander with the 
moon until they reach the end of what might be thought of as a 
month-long tether, which has the effect of maintaining them in the 
same season every year.

Good Friday, meanwhile, like many of the other most important 
Christian holidays, is a set number of days before Easter. The only 
problem is that the date of Easter is probably the most complicated 
celebratory calculation this side of Hinduism, which has a number of 
competing religious calendars. The standard rule is the Sunday after 
the first full moon on or after the day of the vernal equinox. But 
in fact, the actual divination of the date is so involved that it has 
its own offical name: computus. And so challenging that Carl 
Friedrich Gauss, one of history's greatest mathematicians, devoted 
the time to create an algorithm for it. It goes on for many 
lines.  And, of course, it doesn't work for Eastern Orthodox Easter 
(about one month later than the Western Christian one this year, on April 27).

So, should we celebrate all these celebrations? Yes, says William 
Paden, the author of Religious Worlds: The Comparative Study of 
Religion and a professor at the University of Vermont ? at least to 
the extent that we revere the drive to carve out sacred time in the 
middle of the day-by-day profane. Each of these religions is 
creating its own world, with its own time and space and memory 
system, he says. They recognize 

RE: Interesting Day

2008-03-21 Thread Pat Mathews

And Thursday was one of the 8 pagan holidays, the Spring 
Equinoxhttp://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/

 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:39:00 -0500 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com From: [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Interesting Day  Good Friday! Happy Purim, Eid, 
 etc...   Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2008 By DAVID VAN BIEMA WITH SIMON 
 ROBINSON/NEW DELHI   On Friday more than a billion Christians around the 
 world will mark  the gravest observance on their Calendar, Good Friday, the 
 day Jesus  died on the cross. (To be followed in two days by Easter Sunday, 
 to  mark his Resurrection).  But unlike some holy days, say, Christmas, 
 which some non-Christians  in the U.S. observe informally by going to a 
 movie and ordering  Chinese food, on this particular Friday, March 21, it 
 seems almost no  believer of any sort will be left without his or her own 
 holiday. In  what is statistically, at least, a once-in-a-millennium 
 combination,  the following will all occur on the 21st:  Good Friday 
 Purim, a Jewish festival celebrating the biblical book of Esther Narouz, the 
 Persia
 n New Year, which is observed with Islamic  elaboration in Iran and all the 
stan countries, as well as by  Zoroastrians and Baha'is. Eid Milad an Nabi, 
the Birth of the Prophet, which is celebrated by  some but not all Sunni 
Muslims and, though officially beginning on  Thursday, is often marked on 
Friday. Small Holi, Hindu, an Indian festival of bonfires, to be followed on  
Saturday by Holi, a kind of Mardi Gras. Magha Puja, a celebration of the 
Buddha's first group of followers,  marked primarily in Thailand.  Half the 
world's population is going to be celebrating something,  says Raymond 
Clothey, Professor Emeritus of Religious studies at the  University of 
Pittsburgh. My goodness, says Delton Krueger, owner  of 
www.interfaithcalendar.org, who follows 14 major religions and  six others. 
He counts 20 holidays altogether (including some  religious double-dips, like 
Maundy Thursday and Good Friday) between  the 20th (which is also quite 
crowded) and t
 he 21st. He marvels:  There is no other time in 2008 when there is this kind 
of concentration.  And in fact for quite a bit longer than that. Ed Reingold 
and Nachum  Dershowitz, co-authors of the books Calendrical Calculations and  
Calendrical Tabulations, determined how often in the period between  1600 and 
2400 A.D. Good Friday, Purim, Narouz and the Eid would occur  in the same 
week. The answer is nine times in 800 years. Then they  tackled the odds that 
they would converge on a two-day period. And  the total is ... only once: 
tomorrow. And that's not even counting  Magha Puja and Small Holi.  Unless 
you are mathematically inclined, however, you may not see the  logic in all 
this. If it's the 21st of March, you may ask, shouldn't  all the religions of 
the world celebrate the same holiday on that  date each year?  No. There are 
a sprinkling of major holidays (Western Christmas is  one) that fall each year 
on the same day of the Gregorian calendar, a  f
 airly standard non-religious system and the one Americans are most  familiar 
with.  But almost none of tomorrow's holidays actually follows that  
calendar. All Muslim holy days, for instance, are calculated on a  lunar 
system. Keyed to the phases of the moon, Islam's 12 months are  each 29 and a 
half days long, for a total of 354 days a year, or 11  days fewer than on 
ours. That means the holidays rotate backward  around the Gregorian calendar, 
occurring 11 days earlier each year.  That is why you can have an easy 
Ramadan in the spring, when going  without water all day is relatively easy, 
or a hard one in the  summer. And why the Prophet's birthday will be on March 
9 next year.  Then there is the Jewish calendar, which determines the 
placement of  Purim. It is lunisolar, which means that holidays wander with 
the  moon until they reach the end of what might be thought of as a  
month-long tether, which has the effect of maintaining them in the  same seaso
 n every year.  Good Friday, meanwhile, like many of the other most important 
 Christian holidays, is a set number of days before Easter. The only  problem 
is that the date of Easter is probably the most complicated  celebratory 
calculation this side of Hinduism, which has a number of  competing religious 
calendars. The standard rule is the Sunday after  the first full moon on or 
after the day of the vernal equinox. But  in fact, the actual divination of 
the date is so involved that it has  its own offical name: computus. And so 
challenging that Carl  Friedrich Gauss, one of history's greatest 
mathematicians, devoted  the time to create an algorithm for it. It goes on 
for many  lines.  And, of course, it doesn't work for Eastern Orthodox Easter 
 (about one month later than the Western Christian one this year, on April 
27).  So, should we celebrate all these celebrations? Yes, says William  
Paden, the author of Religious Worlds: The Comparative Study