Re: USA presidential race(ism)

[John Garcia]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> John Garcia quoted:
> >
> > Separate sections handle territories that the United States
> > has acquired over time,
> >
> Ouch! Too bad, the one I am thinking was born _outside_ the USA,
> but _almost_ in a area under USA occupation: just look at
> the maps here...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-administered_Austria
> ... and there...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thal%2C_Austria
>
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things might have been different if we had kept Austria after ww2 and not
given it back. otoh, what would we have done with it?

john
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Re: USA presidential race(ism)

[Alberto Monteiro]

John Garcia quoted:
> 
> Separate sections handle territories that the United States
> has acquired over time, 
>
Ouch! Too bad, the one I am thinking was born _outside_ the USA,
but _almost_ in a area under USA occupation: just look at
the maps here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-administered_Austria
... and there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thal%2C_Austria

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: USA presidential race(ism)

[John Garcia]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM, John Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> afaik, that person would be just like McCain, considered to be a
> natural-born citizen.
>
> john
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Lance A. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> John Garcia wrote:
>> > technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the
>> time,
>> > colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the
>> US
>> > became an independent country was Martin Van Buren.
>> > John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy
>> officer
>> > and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in
>> Hawaii
>> > after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit
>> > naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be
>> > elected President.
>>
>> What about offspring of someone in the U.S. Foreign Service in Austria
>> working at the U.S. embassy, for example?
>>
>> --[Lance]
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sorry for the top posting. i found a little more data from
www.usconstitution.net, to quote:

*Natural-born citizen*

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth,
such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment  defines
citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific
enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but
it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section
1401defines
the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at
birth:"

   - Anyone born inside the United States
   - Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a
   citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the
   tribe
   - Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are
   citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
   - Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and
   lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S.
   national
   - Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived
   in the U.S. for at least one year
   - Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot
   be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
   - Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and
   as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S.
   for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in
   this time)
   - A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an
   alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is
eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the
children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired
over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC
1402),
Alaska (8 USC 
1404),
Hawaii (8 USC 
1405),
the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC
1406),
and Guam (8 USC
1407).
Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these
territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on
persons born in those territories after that date. For example, for Puerto
Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January
12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was
signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in
Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the
United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the
natural-born status was retroactive.

The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama
Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC
1403,
the law states that anyone born in the Ca

Re: USA presidential race(ism)

[John Garcia]

afaik, that person would be just like McCain, considered to be a
natural-born citizen.

john

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Lance A. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> John Garcia wrote:
> > technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the
> time,
> > colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the
> US
> > became an independent country was Martin Van Buren.
> > John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy
> officer
> > and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii
> > after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit
> > naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be
> > elected President.
>
> What about offspring of someone in the U.S. Foreign Service in Austria
> working at the U.S. embassy, for example?
>
> --[Lance]
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RE: USA presidential race(ism)

[Pat Mathews]

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> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:48:18 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> brin-l@mccmedia.com> Subject: Re: USA presidential race(ism)> > On Thu, Jun 
> 19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:> > > Both 
> McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA> > (Panama and 
> Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about> > USA history, but was 
> there any POTUS that was not born in the> > continental USA?> >> > Maybe the 
> next one will be born even outsider (like Austria...)> >> > Alberto Monteiro> 
> >> > ___> > 
> http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l> >> > technically, the first 
> seven Presidents were born in what was at the time,> colonies of the British 
> Empire. the first President to be born after the US> became an independent 
> country was Martin Van Buren.> John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone 
> to a serving US Navy officer> and is considered a natural born citizen. 
> Barack Obama was born in 
 Hawaii> after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit> 
naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be> 
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Re: USA presidential race(ism)

[Lance A. Brown]

John Garcia wrote:
> technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time,
> colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US
> became an independent country was Martin Van Buren.
> John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy officer
> and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii
> after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit
> naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be
> elected President.

What about offspring of someone in the U.S. Foreign Service in Austria 
working at the U.S. embassy, for example?

--[Lance]

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Re: USA presidential race(ism)

[John Garcia]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Both McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA
> (Panama and Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about
> USA history, but was there any POTUS that was not born in the
> continental USA?
>
> Maybe the next one will be born even outsider (like Austria...)
>
> Alberto Monteiro
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technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time,
colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US
became an independent country was Martin Van Buren.
John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy officer
and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii
after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit
naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be
elected President.

john
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USA presidential race(ism)

[Alberto Monteiro]

Both McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA
(Panama and Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about
USA history, but was there any POTUS that was not born in the
continental USA?

Maybe the next one will be born even outsider (like Austria...)

Alberto Monteiro

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