Brin: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name?

2009-01-20 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name? Bull? 
Burt? Bast?

An interesting thing: those past weeks, the stock market was so hysterical
that _anything_ Obama said would make it go up, then panic would resume
the next few days and it would crash down again.

Alberto Monteiro
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Inauguration

2009-01-20 Thread John Garcia
I love this stuff, the Ruffles and Flourishes, 21 gun salute, the Marine
Band playing Stars and Stripes Forever. I liked
Obama's speech. Maybe not as good as the Grant Park victory speech, but way
up there. So one administration
ends and another begins. Stay tuned


to quote a friend of mine the day after the election:
Ain't this some shit!

john
what's next maru
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Re: Brin: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name?

2009-01-20 Thread David Brin
Thanks Alberto.

Hoping the world will soon be proud of us!

d




From: Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:03:02 AM
Subject: Brin: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name?

Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name? Bull? 
Burt? Bast?

An interesting thing: those past weeks, the stock market was so hysterical
that _anything_ Obama said would make it go up, then panic would resume
the next few days and it would crash down again.

Alberto Monteiro
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RE: Br!n: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's hisname?

2009-01-20 Thread Gary Nunn

D Brin wrote: 

 Thanks Alberto.
 Hoping the world will soon be proud of us!
 d


Bumper sticker sighted yesterday:

1-20-09, The End of an Error


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Re: Brin: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name?

2009-01-20 Thread David Brin



Even putting aside my pleasure and relief that the moment had finally come,  I 
was of course inspired by President Obama's words, his call for a new spirit of 
purpose and idealism, evoking a sense of history and mission, duty and vision.  
Indeed, I hope they moved all Americans and people around the world - even 
those whose respect is as-yet guarded and suspicious.  Let us all hope that 
even grudging doubters will be swayed toward firmer feelings of appreciation, 
over the coming years, not only by the skill and character of the Obama team, 
but also by events.   By the validation that is bestowed by great success.
 
iAnd yet,/i I don't feel compelled to write much about those themes and 
sentiments, all of which will be noted by others.  Instead, what I'll do - out 
of habit - is bring notice to a few side-glimmers and iexceptional points/i 
that won't (I reckon) be mentioned by most pundits, or even historians.

For example, it struck me that President Obama repeatedly called upon us to 
rise up as adults and inot only/i  listen to the angels of our better 
natures - not only heed  our high ideals - but also  to rediscover the arts 
ofi negotiation and pragmatic problem-solving/i that undergird those lofty 
principles, and without which they  so  easily dissolve into platitudes or 
self-righteous rationalizations. (As, indeed, the word freedom was cheapened 
in recent years, into a mere totem  for my side.) 

Other nations have known duty, honor, patriotism, self-sacrifice... and even 
freedom  But it is the mix of those fine things with other ingredients -- with 
patience and craftsmanship, with both eager competition and willing 
cooperation, with reciprocal respect and healthy self-doubt -- that made the 
loftier ideals truly world-transforming.  And that notion of anchoring idealism 
in pragmatic action is the message that I felt through my bones - deeper than 
through my ears - during Barack Obama's inaugural address.

Do you want examples?

iTo those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing 
of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will 
extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist./i

How simple an image, and fundamental an offer.  And then came a sentence that 
both rebuked the recent past and expressed far greater confidence in us than we 
have seen expressed (alas) by recent leaders:

iAs for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety 
and our ideals./i

Of course you'll recognize a central theme of my book iThe Transparent 
Society: Will Technology Make Us Choose Between Privacy and Freedom?/i And 
especially since the dire events of 9/11, as I kept hoping Americans would 
reject the dismal and insipid devil's dichotomy we were constantly offered, 
having to choose between two things we simply cannot live without.

Those two passages were certainly noted by others. Moreover, without question, 
President Obama had to say them, whether or not he meant quite the emphasis 
that I perceived.  But itwo other paragraphs/i contained - tucked within - 
what I feel are vital hints to Barack Obama's character and agenda.  Because 
they are things he idid not have to say./i  Very few of the two million 
people attending in Washington, or close to a billion watching around the 
world, will note them.  But I suggest that you do.

iWe will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's 
wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost. We will harness the 
sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And we 
will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of 
a new age./i

Yes, yes.  Education, sustainability, the new technologies that may not only 
help save the nation and planet, but also start the next economic boom, in much 
the same way that our government's internet research sparked the last one... 
all of that was profoundly welcome, and expected.  iBut to put science first, 
/iahead of all the others, and thus signaling it's rightful place struck me 
deeply.  This is one lawyer who knows that good decisions cannot be based 
incantations, but ultimately depend on actual, ihonest-to-God facts./i  

We have had enough of leaders who arrogantly believed that all you need to 
govern is one thing, a powerfully certain, subjective force of will.  

But then, it can be argued that Obama also had to mention science, after the 
travesties of recent years.  Perhaps that, too, was no surprise, and I may be 
reading too much into it. So let me reach deeper for my final clue. 

iOur challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be 
new. But those values upon which our success depends - hard work and honesty, 
courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism - these 
things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of 
progress throughout our history. What is demanded 

Re: Brin: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name?

2009-01-20 Thread David Brin
My suggestions to Obama are at:
http://www.davidbrin.com/suggestion.htm






From: Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:03:02 AM
Subject: Brin: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name?

Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name? Bull? 
Burt? Bast?

An interesting thing: those past weeks, the stock market was so hysterical
that _anything_ Obama said would make it go up, then panic would resume
the next few days and it would crash down again.

Alberto Monteiro
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The Whole World

2009-01-20 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/20/AR2009012002411.html

Excerpt:

Nairobi


Crowds of students -- future doctors, politicians, engineers and others --  
gathered hours early on the sprawling green lawn of Nairobi University, 
where three big screens were set up to broadcast the inauguration of Barack 
Obama, whose father was Kenyan.

The mood was celebratory. Homeboyz Entertainment, a group of deejays, would 
be on later. Red, white and blue ribbons were tied to big white canopies. 
Vendors sold postcards of Obama and the words, I do solemnly swear. A 
young man walked around hoisting a homemade sign that read: From Black 
Power to Barack Power.

Engineering students Ntabo Maranga and Wycliffe Ogega said they felt a sense 
of relief that the day had finally come. Like many young Kenyans, they said 
they identify more with Obama than with their own aging political class, 
which they hoped Obama would shake up by example.

His election has already offered a great challenge to leaders here, through 
his values, said Maranga, 27.

In particular, students said they hoped Obama would shame politicians into 
rising above tribalism.

When people speak of Obama, we don't say he's Luo Obama, said Ogega, 27, 
referring to Obama's Kenyan ethnic group. We say he's Kenyan. We hope he 
will help us see each other as Kenyans instead of certain tribes.

A group of young women studying for an exam in diplomacy echoed that idea.

We hope he'll be able to straighten out some politicians of this country --  
give them a straight deal on issues like graft, said Judith Ngandoki, 27, 
who is studying for a master's degree in international relations.

Not far away, Kadiro Ganemo, an Ethiopian immigrant, suggested that such 
hope stretches beyond Kenya.

He's not just for Kenya -- he's for the whole world, said Ganemo, 28, who 
is not a student but joined the celebration because he didn't want to watch 
alone at home.

He confessed that he had not believed Obama could be elected, given the 
racism that exists in the United States. When the results came in, he said, 
he cried, as he expected he would again later Tuesday. Maybe Africans can 
unite like people in the U.S., he said.


xponent

With Pride Maru

rob

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Re: Inauguration

2009-01-20 Thread xponentrob
- Original Message - 
From: John Garcia john...@gmail.com
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:49 PM
Subject: Inauguration


I love this stuff, the Ruffles and Flourishes, 21 gun salute, the Marine
 Band playing Stars and Stripes Forever. I liked
 Obama's speech. Maybe not as good as the Grant Park victory speech, but 
 way
 up there. So one administration
 ends and another begins. Stay tuned


 to quote a friend of mine the day after the election:
 Ain't this some shit!

 john
 what's next maru


This guy comes up to me
His face red like a rose on a thorn bush
Like all the colours of a royal flush
And he's peeling off those dollar bills
Slapping them down - one hundred, two hundred
And I can see those fighter planes
And I can see those fighter planes
Across the mud huts as the children sleep
Through the alleys of a quiet city street
We take the staircase to the first floor
We turn the key and slowly unlock the door
A man breathes into a saxophone
And through the walls we hear the city groan
Outside it's America - outside it's America 

I keep hearing those last 2 lines in my head, but it is in a new context. 
Hopeful and waiting as opposed to the cynicism of the preceding lyrics.

One watches with anticipation.



xponent

A Little U2 In The Night Maru

rob

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Re: Brin: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name?

2009-01-20 Thread Doug Pensinger
David Brin  wrote:


  The new president did not have to mention it.  But he did.  And it shows
 that he wants not only to preside and rule.  He wants to learn.

 Yes, the word curious did stand out as something not usually mentioned in
that line of reasoning, but I think curiosity more than anything else is why
we humans have elevated ourselves
Other stuff that struck me as profound:

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just
with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions.
 They understood that our power alone can not protect us, nor does it
entitle us to do as we please.  Instead they knew that out power grows
through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our
cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and
restraint.

A concept lost on the Bush administration.

and also:

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness.  We
are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and non believers
(!!).  We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of
this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and
segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we
cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the
lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our
common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in
ushering in a new era of peace.

Thank the stars, our eight year nightmare is finally over.

Doug
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Re: Br!n: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's hisname?

2009-01-20 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gary Nunn garyn...@newpacifica.net wrote:


 D Brin wrote:

  Thanks Alberto.
  Hoping the world will soon be proud of us!
  d


 Bumper sticker sighted yesterday:

 1-20-09, The End of an Error


Did yo ever see the one:

Frodo Failed!  Bush has the ring!?

Doug
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