Lifestyle changes better than drugs

2009-11-09 Thread Deborah Harrell
At least in diabetes prevention:

http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20091028/diet-beats-drugs-for-diabetes-prevention?ecd=wnl_day_103109

-- Lifestyle changes resulting in long-term weight loss of just a few pounds 
proved to be roughly twice as effective as drug treatment for preventing type 2 
diabetes in an ongoing government-sponsored trial.
Researchers followed almost 3,000 high-risk patients for a decade in one of the 
largest and longest studies aimed at preventing diabetes ever conducted in the 
U.S.

Roughly a third of the participants were initially asked to eat a low-fat diet 
and engage in at least 30 minutes of moderate activity a minimum of five times 
a week, with the goal of losing 7% of their body weight within a year.  Another 
third were put on the diabetes drug metformin; the remaining patients initially 
received no intervention.

Many of the people in the lifestyle intervention group met the weight loss 
goal, losing an average of 15 pounds during the first year of the study.
While they regained, on average, 10 of those pounds during the next seven 
years, the lifestyle intervention group continued to have the lowest rates of 
diabetes...

...Three years into the trial, Knowler and colleagues reported that diabetes 
incidence was reduced by a whopping 58% in the lifestyle intervention group and 
31% in the metformin group, compared to people who received no intervention.  
This dramatic difference led the researchers to offer lifestyle intervention, 
in the form of group counseling and support sessions, to all three groups for 
the rest of the study.

The 10-year follow up analysis, which appears Thursday in TheLancet, shows that:

*Compared to the non-intervention group, patients in the intensive lifestyle 
intervention group and metformin group, respectively, were 34% and 18% less 
likely to develop diabetes over 10 years.  
*Lifestyle intervention was found to delay the onset of diabetes by four years. 
Drug treatment delayed diabetes by two years.  
*The benefits of intensive lifestyle intervention were particularly strong in 
the elderly. Those aged 60 and older in the diet and exercise group lowered 
their rate of developing diabetes by half over 10 years...
 

OK, so I'm still harping on lifestyle as preferable over drugs in treating and 
preventing chronic illnesses -- nice to have my opinion backed up so 
decisively!  (Not that meds aren't often necessary and life-saving; I just 
don't like to hear them always put ahead of nutrition and exercise etc.)

Debbi
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RE: Lifestyle changes better than drugs

2009-11-09 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net


 

OK, so I'm still harping on lifestyle as preferable over drugs in treating
and preventing chronic illnesses -- nice to have my opinion backed up so
decisively!  (Not that meds aren't often necessary and life-saving; I just
don't like to hear them always put ahead of nutrition and exercise etc.)

I'd be curious to see if the lifestyle and weight loss group continued to
include follow ups of all the failures. You know of course, that weight
loss programs that do not involve surgery have about a 3% sucess rate after
2 yearsso my guess is that these folks are simply ignored in the study.
Oherwise, they will have come up with unprecedented techniques for weight
loss sucess...orders of magnitude better than any program previous to this.

That's why my wife's physician strongly reccomended this surgery for her.
After 5 years, she's 120 lbs lighter, and now has two new knees and can be
active.  She's within about 10 lbs of her absolue minimum weight, which is
better than average. 

Dan M.

VFP Just say no to food.


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RE: Lifestyle changes better than drugs

2009-11-09 Thread Deborah Harrell
 From: dsummersmi...@comcast.net dsummersmi...@comcast.net

Me 
 OK, so I'm still harping on lifestyle as preferable over drugs in 
 treating and preventing chronic illnesses -- nice to have my
 opinion backed up so decisively!  

 I'd be curious to see if the lifestyle and weight loss
 group continued to include follow ups of all the failures. 

From the WebMD article (cited last post):
...Many of the people in the lifestyle intervention group met the weight loss 
goal, losing an average of 15 pounds during the first year of the study.  While 
they regained, on average, 10 of those pounds during the next seven years, the 
lifestyle intervention group continued to have the lowest rates of diabetes...

If you're defining 'failure' as regain of weight, they still benefitted WRT 
diabetes prevention/delay of onset.

This is from the Lancet abstract:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)61457-4/abstract

...All active DPP participants were eligible for continued follow-up. 2766 of 
3150 (88%) enrolled for a median additional follow-up of 5·7 years (IQR 
5·5—5·8). 910 participants were from the lifestyle, 924 from the metformin, and 
932 were from the original placebo groups. On the basis of the benefits from 
the intensive lifestyle intervention in the DPP, all three groups were offered 
group-implemented lifestyle intervention. Metformin treatment was continued in 
the original metformin group (850 mg twice daily as tolerated), with 
participants unmasked to assignment, and the original lifestyle intervention 
group was offered additional lifestyle support...

I think 88% continuance of original participants is pretty good.

...During the 10·0-year (IQR 9·0—10·5) follow-up since randomisation to DPP, 
the original lifestyle group lost, then partly regained weight. The modest 
weight loss with metformin was maintained...

- and yet their diabetes rate was still lower than the metformin subset.

Commentary from another journal:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169082.php

...The authors explain: In this study, onset of diabetes was delayed by about 
4 years by lifestyle intervention and 2 years by metformin compared with 
placebo. 

They write in conclusion: Our results have shown that a reduction in diabetes 
cumulative incidence by either lifestyle intervention or metformin therapy 
persists for at least 10 years. Further follow-up will provide crucial data for 
long-term clinical outcomes, including mortality... The long-term reductions in 
bodyweight and diabetes are encouraging, but further quantification of 
long-term outcomes is crucial to establish the benefits of diabetes 
prevention... 

 You know of course, that weight
 loss programs that do not involve surgery have about a 3%
 sucess rate after 2 years

What made this study noteworthy to me was that *in spite of* regaining much of 
the weight lost, delay of diabetes onset still was better than the drug (or of 
course no intervention at all).  Also, surgery results for extreme obesity are 
much better than mild or overweight (further confusion with use of BMI vs. 
'ideal weight,' follow-up years, and changes in surgical techniques (some 
studies are based on out-moded procedures).  This 2006 Mayo article was one of 
the better ones I found:

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/81/10_Suppl/S46.full

... Few randomized, controlled prospective trials have compared bariatric 
surgery to nonsurgical weight-loss treatments, and the quality of current 
outcome data is suboptimal. However, the available evidence suggests that 
bariatric surgery, and particularly gastric bypass, is the most effective 
weight-loss treatment for people with extreme (class III) obesity. In addition 
to reduced energy intake and to a lesser extent malabsorption, numerous other 
potential mechanisms related to bariatric surgery may play a role in promoting 
weight loss and improving comorbidities. After bariatric surgery, clinical 
improvement or resolution has been reported in 64% to 100% of patients with 
diabetes mellitus, 62% to 69% of patients with hypertension, 85% of patients 
with obstructive sleep apnea, 60% to 100% of patients with dyslipidemia, and up 
to 90% of patients with nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. A wide range of other 
weight-related conditions also appear to
 improve, and limited data suggest that overall mortality may decrease in 
patients undergoing bariatric surgery. Although not conclusive, evidence from 
available studies indicates that bariatric surgery is cost-effective. Further 
research with improved methodology is needed to define the mechanisms of action 
of bariatric surgery; to document its effect on long-term weight loss, comorbid 
conditions, and overall mortality; and to determine its cost-effectiveness...

With the exception of 2 studies published more than 20 years ago and 2 studies 
published in 2002 and 2006, no other prospective randomized controlled trials 
have compared bariatric 

Flags?

2009-11-09 Thread Julia
I'm wondering how many people in the US are seeing flags at half-mast.

We've been seeing an awful lot around here, in the wake of the Ft. Hood
shootings, but Ft. Hood is practically in our back yard.  I'm wondering how
aware other folks are, and if they've been flying flags at half-mast in
other states.

Julia


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Re: Flags?

2009-11-09 Thread Deborah Harrell
 From: Julia ju...@zurg.net

 I'm wondering how many people in the US are seeing flags at half-mast.
 
 We've been seeing an awful lot around here, in the wake of
 the Ft. Hood shootings, but Ft. Hood is practically in our back
 yard.  I'm wondering how
 aware other folks are, and if they've been flying flags at
 half-mast in other states.

Yes, scattered here in the Denver area.  Not sure if it's related, but my 
boyfriend's intervening right now in a threatened suicide by an aquaintance of 
his, who is a veteran.  Will someone be willing to get help when a service 
phychiatrist, who you'd think would have at least some insight, has chosen to 
react homicidally?

Tragedy, all around.

Debbi
Saddened And Perplexed Maru


  

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RE: Flags?

2009-11-09 Thread Pat Mathews

OH, they're at half-mast in New Mexico, all right. Or were yesterday. I didn't 
pass any today to notice. (Too busy with an ailing cat).


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 From: ju...@zurg.net
 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
 Subject: Flags?
 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:17:32 -0600
 
 I'm wondering how many people in the US are seeing flags at half-mast.
 
 We've been seeing an awful lot around here, in the wake of the Ft. Hood
 shootings, but Ft. Hood is practically in our back yard.  I'm wondering how
 aware other folks are, and if they've been flying flags at half-mast in
 other states.
 
   Julia
 
 
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Re: Flags?

2009-11-09 Thread Nick Arnett
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Julia ju...@zurg.net wrote:

 I'm wondering how many people in the US are seeing flags at half-mast.

 We've been seeing an awful lot around here, in the wake of the Ft. Hood
 shootings, but Ft. Hood is practically in our back yard.  I'm wondering how
 aware other folks are, and if they've been flying flags at half-mast in
 other states.


I was on a retreat the last few days, so I haven't really been out and about
much... but feel also free to fly a flag at half-staff tomorrow in memory of
those KIA in Iraq, because tomorrow, it will be five years since my niece's
husband gave his life for his country in Fallujah.  It is also the Marine
Corps birthday.  And you can keep you flag low, of course, for Veteran's Day
on Wednesday.

Nick
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