Re: SETI@home (history)

2010-10-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro

I wrote:

 IIRC, there was a story somewhere that the s...@home software 
 included a bug (like a crippleware) that would make it run
 _much slower_ than it could run, because there was not enough
 data for the millions of computers that would process this
 data.
 
 I am confusing things? I couldn't find any reference for this.

David Hobby wrote: 
 
 Got me, but there was a problem at the start.  The
 server kept send out the same data set over and over
 by mistake for a while.  So a few day's worth of
 computing was wasted, until that was fixed.
 
Ok, but I was not thinking/misremembering a bug.
I was thinking about a malicious code.

 It's hard to see why they would cripple the program,
 though.  It's not like there aren't enough other
 distributed computing projects around.  (My office
 computer analyzes data looking for gravity waves,
 when I'm not using it.)
 
IIRC, the reason for cripple the program was
that the s...@home program was a huge success, they
got _much more_ volunteers than they planned, and
they didn't have enough data to feed all the volunteers
unless they crippled the program. So they did it.

John Williams wrote:
 
 I do not know if that is true, but if it is true, I would call it a
 feature, not a bug. If there is no useful SETI data for my computer 
 to crunch, I'd rather have the CPU cycles available for something else.
 
 Or did you mean that it consumed CPU cycles doing something useless,
 like calculating digits of PI repeatedly?
 
Yes, something like that. The original program was so fast -
IIRC - that them(tm) projected that the s...@home program
would soon finish. They didn't want that, they wanted major
press coverage, a program that would last years (and not days),
so they crippled the program.

This is the scenario I remember. I think I read it right here,
in this list. Or maybe I am confusing some X-Files episode with
truth.

  Mendacem memorem esse oportet

Alberto Monteiro


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Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-22 Thread Jim Sharkey
Rob wrote:
Insert GOATSE Here Maru

Every time I think I've completely excised the sight of that picture from my 
mind forever, someone reminds me of it.  Seriously, getting stealth linked to 
that was one of the less pleasant shocks of my life.

Jim
JESUS, WHAT IS THAT?! Maru

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Re: Loan modifications (was Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries)

2010-10-22 Thread Charlie Bell

On 22/10/2010, at 2:39 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
 
 There is no question that lenders have violated the law in many ways -- look 
 at the foreclosure mess right now.  The reason they have panicked and stopped 
 foreclosures is because they realized that they took illegal shortcuts.

Well, that and the fact that the on-selling of risk that led to the meltdown 
has led to situations where noone is sure who actually owns the security (ie 
the title) on many properties anymore...

And yes, I've heard of enough cases in the States where foreclosures have been 
attempted, through ineptness or confusion, on properties that were not in 
arrears. It's a Big Giant Mess.

Charlie.


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Re: Loan modifications (was Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries)

2010-10-22 Thread Charlie Bell

On 22/10/2010, at 9:07 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
 
 
 And yes, by the way, we're having a tough time financially right now.  I was 
 laid off from LiveWorld a couple of years ago and I've been building up 
 consulting and developing some new analytics tools, but it's hard.  And we 
 have a daughter who moved back in full-time and four grandkids with us half 
 time.

Dude, I hope it gets better for you. As someone who's been through somewhat 
ridiculous extremes through life (overprivileged education and childhood, 
depression and homelessness in early adulthood, and living in both hemispheres) 
I have an appreciation of the fear of losing one's home.

Peace, man. 

C.
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Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-22 Thread Charlie Bell

On 22/10/2010, at 1:41 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
 
 One at a time please.
 
 
 
 Xponent
 Insert GOATSE Here Maru
 Rob

LOL!!! Rob, I've missed you.

Charlie.

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RE: Loan modifications (was Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries)

2010-10-22 Thread Dan Minette

I answered this in another post, but I'll explain a little bit
differently here. I see the mortgage insurance as insurance against
the borrower being UNABLE to pay back the money, not just choosing to
default. 

Well you can see things however you wish, that is your prerogative.
However, if you were in charge of deciding who gets what loan rates, that
would be a very bad assumption to make.  

In a market economy, different borrowers can obtain different loan rates
from lending institutions for one reason: they have different risks of
defaulting on the loan, being late, or otherwise costing the bank money in
getting payments on the loan.  If a bank loses $200,000 on the loan, the
moral state of the person who borrowed the loan has no effect on the bank's
bottom line.  Thus, loan rates reflect every reason for default.

It is true that banks can misjudge these probabilities, markets, are
uncertain, etc.  People sometimes pay or less interest than they would if
perfect knowledge was available.  But, that is why different people and
different companies are charged different rates.

It's not just Brad and me that are saying that.  It is also derivable from
these two assumptions: banks compete for profitable loans and borrowers look
for the best rate.  

Dan M.  


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Re: Loan modifications (was Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries)

2010-10-22 Thread John Williams
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:41 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 That suggests that you are not going to strategically default. I
 wonder if there are any other clues that the lender was able to glean
 that suggested you would not strategically default.

 I'm curious strategically defaulting moral in your world-view?\

No.

  How about
 non-strategically defaulting?  What do these terms mean?

A strategic default is a somewhat more formal term for walking away,
i.e., choosing to stop making mortgage payments and let the property
be foreclosed upon, usually because the property is worth less than
the outstanding mortgage.

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Re: Loan modifications (was Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries)

2010-10-22 Thread John Williams
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:

I answered this in another post, but I'll explain a little bit
differently here. I see the mortgage insurance as insurance against
the borrower being UNABLE to pay back the money, not just choosing to
default.

 Well you can see things however you wish, that is your prerogative.
 However, if you were in charge of deciding who gets what loan rates, that
 would be a very bad assumption to make.

No, we were discussing behavior of the borrower. The rest of your
comment was irrelevant, so snipped.

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Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-22 Thread Rceeberger

On 10/22/2010 8:13:45 AM, Charlie Bell (char...@culturelist.org) wrote:
 On 22/10/2010, at 1:41 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
 
  One at a time please.
 
 
 
  Xponent
  Insert GOATSE Here Maru
  Rob
 
 LOL!!! Rob, I've missed you.
 
I've been here...I read the conversations and more or less keep up.
I just havent had much worth adding recently.
Mostly I spend my online time playing Evony, where I am the host of Bavaria, a 
top 10 alliance on SS51.
We use Skype in Bavaria so I can be found there pretty much every night under 
Xponent.
Drop by and chat sometime if any of you get a spare few.

Xponent
Addictive Gaming Maru
rob

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Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-22 Thread Charlie Bell

On 23/10/2010, at 12:23 PM, Rceeberger wrote:

 Mostly I spend my online time playing Evony, where I am the host of Bavaria, 
 a top 10 alliance on SS51.
 We use Skype in Bavaria so I can be found there pretty much every night under 
 Xponent.
 Drop by and chat sometime if any of you get a spare few.

:) I have a lalpile of games at the mo. Mainly playing Red Dead Redemption 
recently.

Charlie.
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