WikiLeaks

2010-12-02 Thread Jon Louis Mann
 Where are the docs to prove that Soylent
 Green is really people?  
 -- Matt

The film leaked it all, Matt!~)

 ...there is overwhelming sentiment against . 
  Wikileaks in the US
 Wayne Eddy. 

 There seems to be overwhelming sentiment 
 against Wikileaks' release 
 I was wondering how people here (some of
 whom may have read Brin's Transparent 
 Society) felt about it.
 Doug

I haven't seen any discussion of this on
Brin's Facebook page, but the FB tally I saw 
indicated a majority in favor of the leaks.
I agree that the safety of our troops is
paramount, but have not read anything that
indicates Americans have died.  I've suspected  
that the government often invokes secrecy to 
cover up abuse, and WikiLeaks bears this out.

I found this update this from Assange's lawyers:
Jon Mann

Sweden's Public Prosecutor's Office leaked to the media that it was seeking to 
arrest Assange for rape, then on the same day withdrew the arrest warrant 
because in its own words there was no evidence, and then re-instituted the 
charges. 

The damage to Assange's reputation can not be undone. Three months, and three 
prosecutors later, the Swedes seem unclear on the basis to
proceed.   Apparently consensual sex that started out with a condom ended when 
the condom broke?   Having consensual sex in Sweden without a condom is 
punishable by a term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for
rape.

Rape is a crime of violence, duress or deception. There was no fear or 
violence; deception enters in by deluding the victims into thinking you are 
someone else, or by drugging them, or by reason of their young age.

The women here are near to and over 30 and have international experience, some 
of it working in Swedish government embassies. There is no suggestion of drugs 
nor identity concealment.  Both women boasted of their celebrity connection to 
Assange after the event in tweets by Anna Ardin and SMS texts by Sofia Wilen 
boasting of their respective conquests.

In the case of Ardin, she has threw a party in Assange's honour and tweeted to 
her followers that she was with the world's coolest smartest people,
it's amazing!  Ardin has sought unsuccessfully to delete these tweets from the 
public record.  She has also published on the Internet a guide on how to get 
revenge on cheating boyfriends. 

The exact content of Wilen's mobile phone texts is not yet known but the 
bragging and consent of both women to having sex with Assange has been 
confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. 

Neither Arden nor Wilen complained to the police but sought advice on how to 
avoid punishment for making false complaints.  Their SMS texts to each other 
show they have collaborated and tainted each other's evidence.  They 
retained celebrity lawyer, Claes Borgstrom, and contacted the Swedish 
newspaper, Expressen, in order to maximize the damage to Assange. They belong 
to the same political group and attended a public lecture given by Assange and 
organized by them. You can see YouTube video of the event even now.

Assange's lawyers did not receive any official documents until November 18, 
2010 (and then in Swedish language contrary to European Law) and learned
about the status of investigations through prosecution media announcements.




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Re: WikiLeaks

2010-12-02 Thread Bruce Bostwick

On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:

Having consensual sex in Sweden without a condom is punishable by a  
term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for rape.


That strikes me as very strange indeed.  is there more to that law  
than that?  Does this apply only to extramarital sex, for example?




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WikiLeaks

2010-12-02 Thread Jon Louis Mann
 They teach you in the military that 
 there are such things as illegal orders. 
 I would argue that there should also be 
 illegal secrecy. Keeping a war crime a 
 secret would qualify. 
 Doug

 Precisely. If that argument is not successfully 
 made in his defence, then the USA is further 
 down the road to hell than I have feared. 
 Charlie.

Definitely getting HOT here, Charlie,
and it's not just global warming!~)
Jon

 consensual sex in Sweden without a 
 condom is punishable by a term of
 imprisonment of a minimum of two 
 years for rape.
 Jon

 That strikes me as very strange indeed.  
 Is there more to that law than that?
 Does this apply only to extramarital sex,
 for example?

I'm certain it doesn't apply to marital sex, 
but I suppose there may be instances where
some guys might use coercion or subterfuge.
Obviously the law is being applied under 
pressure from the U.S. and Interpol.
Jon


  

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Brin: Hrm

2010-12-02 Thread KZK

http://amultiverse.com/2010/09/29/dont-ask-dont-swim/

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