Re: Obama II

2012-11-12 Thread ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO
Bryon Daly wrote:

 Further, as a Mormon, Romney doesn't quite pass the WASP test so he
 basically had to tack hard right to build up his conservative cred to get
 the party nomination.

Ugh. Mormons have taken control of the Internet (by Facebook). I'm
glad they didn't take control of the USA too.

Alberto Monteiro the paranoid

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George Takei

2012-11-12 Thread ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO
  Marriage equality AND marijuana laws passed? Now we know what
  Leviticus really meant by A man who layeth with another man must be
  stoned. -- attributed to George Takei, 2012-11

for the copy-and-paste, Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Obama II

2012-11-12 Thread Klaus Stock
 I know as a fact that the Defense Department said they
 would require that all programming for applications they used would have to
 be done in Ada (I think within 5 years) because Ada was a compiler that
 automatically eliminated bugs.

AFAIK, the Ada compiler can detect many programmer mistakes at compile
time. Of course, one might say that Ada that's mainly because Ada
imposes so many restrictions on the programmer that the chance to make
mistakes is greatly increased (compared to more relaxed languages,
which do, for example, implicit type conversion). Ada also supports
run-time-checks - which detects bugs when it's already too late (or
may even cause bugs in extreme cases).

Compared to other languages of the time, like Fortran, it's clearly
superior in detecting some classes of bugs early. It also reduces the
programmer's efficiency, resulting the number of bugs per time compare
to more efficient languages.

However, the best bugs are introduced during programming, but much
earlier. Catching bugs at the earliest possible time is expensive, but
the ROI is immense and outweighs the cost by several orders of
magnitude. Of course, any manager who was reading this dropped out at
the word expensive, so defective software will remain the standard.


Okay, the word standard reminds to get back on-topic. I suspect that
the reason for the choice of Ada was that Ada was the first
standardized HL programming language. Oh, the military loves
standards. No further explanation necessary.

Best regards, Klaus


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RE: Obama II

2012-11-12 Thread Pat Mathews

This plays into some recent conversations about efficiency vs resilience.

 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:06:16 +0100
 From: k...@stock-consulting.com
 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
 Subject: Re: Obama II
 
  I know as a fact that the Defense Department said they
  would require that all programming for applications they used would have to
  be done in Ada (I think within 5 years) because Ada was a compiler that
  automatically eliminated bugs.
 
 AFAIK, the Ada compiler can detect many programmer mistakes at compile
 time. Of course, one might say that Ada that's mainly because Ada
 imposes so many restrictions on the programmer that the chance to make
 mistakes is greatly increased (compared to more relaxed languages,
 which do, for example, implicit type conversion). Ada also supports
 run-time-checks - which detects bugs when it's already too late (or
 may even cause bugs in extreme cases).
 
 Compared to other languages of the time, like Fortran, it's clearly
 superior in detecting some classes of bugs early. It also reduces the
 programmer's efficiency, resulting the number of bugs per time compare
 to more efficient languages.
 
 However, the best bugs are introduced during programming, but much
 earlier. Catching bugs at the earliest possible time is expensive, but
 the ROI is immense and outweighs the cost by several orders of
 magnitude. Of course, any manager who was reading this dropped out at
 the word expensive, so defective software will remain the standard.
 
 
 Okay, the word standard reminds to get back on-topic. I suspect that
 the reason for the choice of Ada was that Ada was the first
 standardized HL programming language. Oh, the military loves
 standards. No further explanation necessary.
 
 Best regards, Klaus
 
 
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Re: Obama II

2012-11-12 Thread Klaus Stock

  This plays into some recent conversations about efficiency vs resilience.

Yup. And neither efficiency nor resilience will help you in the
end if you don't ponder some important questions first. Like: do we
measure altitude in feet or meters?, or should we check if the old
guidance system will work okay in the new rocket?

- Klaus

 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:06:16 +0100
 From: k...@stock-consulting.com
 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
 Subject: Re: Obama II
 
  I know as a fact that the Defense Department said they
  would require that all programming for applications they used would have to
  be done in Ada (I think within 5 years) because Ada was a compiler that
  automatically eliminated bugs.
 
 AFAIK, the Ada compiler can detect many programmer mistakes at compile
 time. Of course, one might say that Ada that's mainly because Ada
 imposes so many restrictions on the programmer that the chance to make
 mistakes is greatly increased (compared to more relaxed languages,
 which do, for example, implicit type conversion). Ada also supports
 run-time-checks - which detects bugs when it's already too late (or
 may even cause bugs in extreme cases).
 
 Compared to other languages of the time, like Fortran, it's clearly
 superior in detecting some classes of bugs early. It also reduces the
 programmer's efficiency, resulting the number of bugs per time compare
 to more efficient languages.
 
 However, the best bugs are introduced during programming, but much
 earlier. Catching bugs at the earliest possible time is expensive, but
 the ROI is immense and outweighs the cost by several orders of
 magnitude. Of course, any manager who was reading this dropped out at
 the word expensive, so defective software will remain the standard.
 
 
 Okay, the word standard reminds to get back on-topic. I suspect that
 the reason for the choice of Ada was that Ada was the first
 standardized HL programming language. Oh, the military loves
 standards. No further explanation necessary.
 
 Best regards, Klaus
 
 
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