Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:33 AM Thursday 8/21/2008, Lance A. Brown wrote:
>Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> > If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you?
>
>He's a mind reader.  Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in
>telepathy. :-)
>
>The Amazing William Maru
>
>--[Lance]



I was being ***really*** nice and not saying exactly that.


Telepathy Works Both Ways Maru


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall

On 21 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Olin Elliott wrote:

> The list has now been dominated by this discusion for much longer  
> than seems reasonable.  It is much more distracting than William's  
> posts.

It does seem an enormous amount of fuss about one or two posts per  
week. That's why I don't believe the reasons given for it.

Occam's Razor Maru

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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Olin Elliott
The list has now been dominated by this discusion for much longer than seems 
reasonable.  It is much more distracting than William's posts.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nick Arnett<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion<mailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:05 AM
  Subject: Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic.,monotonous posting (was 
Child-killing religion))


  On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Lance A. Brown <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>wrote<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

  > Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
  > > If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you?
  >
  > He's a mind reader.  Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in
  > telepathy. :-)
  >
  > The Amazing William Maru


  LOL!

  Nick
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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Lance A. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> > If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you?
>
> He's a mind reader.  Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in
> telepathy. :-)
>
> The Amazing William Maru


LOL!

Nick
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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Lance A. Brown
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you?

He's a mind reader.  Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in
telepathy. :-)

The Amazing William Maru

--[Lance]

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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Lance A. Brown
Pat Mathews wrote:
> I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for
> one, see another news article on some cult or its members run
> amok,yawn, and hit Delete.

Ditto.

--[Lance]

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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:38 AM Thursday 8/21/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
>On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:07, Pat Mathews wrote:
>
> >
> > I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I,
> > for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run
> > amok,yawn, and hit Delete.
> >
> > Just thought you'd want to know.
> >
>
>What makes you think you're part of the list's silent majority?



If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you?


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall

On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:07, Pat Mathews wrote:

>
> I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I,  
> for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run  
> amok,yawn, and hit Delete.
>
> Just thought you'd want to know.
>

What makes you think you're part of the list's silent majority?

Contradiction Maru

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arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons.


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RE: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Pat Mathews

I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see 
another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. 

Just thought you'd want to know. 


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> Subject: Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic.,     monotonous posting (was 
> Child-killing religion))
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:55:55 +0100
> 
> 
> On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:04, Charlie Bell wrote:
> 
> >
> > On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
> >>
> >> Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are
> >> quite old but still not settled.
> >
> > But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that
> > reinforce your worldview.
> 
> What's wrong with that?
> 
> >
> >>
> >> The silent majority on the list love reading my posts about the
> >> pernicious evil of religion. I don't think a couple of whiners should
> >> get to dictate to everybody else what gets posted here.
> >
> > I mostly agree with your worldview, but I'm still tired of seeing
> > articles I've mostly read elsewhere reprinted in full here by you.
> 
> But people who don't agree may not have seen them.
> 
> >
> >
> >> One of the primary community values of this list is diversity of
> >> opinion.
> >
> > Yes, but we all know yours already.
> >
> 
> 
> Well maybe we can just all post our geek codes and then shut the  
> list :-)
> 
> Expression Maru
> 
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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall

On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:04, Charlie Bell wrote:

>
> On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
>>
>> Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are
>> quite old but still not settled.
>
> But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that
> reinforce your worldview.

What's wrong with that?

>
>>
>> The silent majority on the list love reading my posts about the
>> pernicious evil of religion. I don't think a couple of whiners should
>> get to dictate to everybody else what gets posted here.
>
> I mostly agree with your worldview, but I'm still tired of seeing
> articles I've mostly read elsewhere reprinted in full here by you.

But people who don't agree may not have seen them.

>
>
>> One of the primary community values of this list is diversity of
>> opinion.
>
> Yes, but we all know yours already.
>


Well maybe we can just all post our geek codes and then shut the  
list :-)

Expression Maru

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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Charlie Bell

On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
>
> Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are
> quite old but still not settled.

But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that  
reinforce your worldview.
>
> The silent majority on the list love reading my posts about the
> pernicious evil of religion. I don't think a couple of whiners should
> get to dictate to everybody else what gets posted here.

I mostly agree with your worldview, but I'm still tired of seeing  
articles I've mostly read elsewhere reprinted in full here by you.

> One of the primary community values of this list is diversity of
> opinion.

Yes, but we all know yours already.

Charlie.
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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall

On 20 Aug 2008, at 21:04, Dave Land wrote:

> William,
>
> If you have something new to contribute to the discussion, I, for one,
> welcome it.

Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are  
quite old but still not settled.

>
>
> If you have more of the same with which to spam the list, then I, for
> one, do not.
>
> I know that I can simply skip or delete your messages, but where is
> the spirit of IAAMOAC, forcing your fellow list-mates to delete all or
> most of your messages?

The silent majority on the list love reading my posts about the  
pernicious evil of religion. I don't think a couple of whiners should  
get to dictate to everybody else what gets posted here.

>
>
> Please, in the interests of community values, stop spamming the list
> with your hatred of religion, about which we are all completely,
> completely aware.
>

One of the primary community values of this list is diversity of  
opinion.

Expression Maru

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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Dave Land
William,

If you have something new to contribute to the discussion, I, for one,  
welcome it.

If you have more of the same with which to spam the list, then I, for  
one, do not.

I know that I can simply skip or delete your messages, but where is  
the spirit of IAAMOAC, forcing your fellow list-mates to delete all or  
most of your messages?

Please, in the interests of community values, stop spamming the list  
with your hatred of religion, about which we are all completely,  
completely aware.

Dave

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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote:
> 
>> William,
>> This is not a discussion list about religion.  I don't think we've  
>> ever
>> moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing
>> increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction  
>> and
>> offensive to some who might otherwise participate.  Others,including  
>> me, are
>> just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on  
>> the
>> topic for a long, long time.
>>
> 
> I think it's clear than Nick's behaviour here is quite inappropriate  
> and deserves censure in the strongest terms. What happened to IAAMOAC?
> 
> It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that he's  
> abusing his position in the most egregious manner and should apologise  
> to me and the list for his outburst.

William--

Hey, I know you've been posting stuff like that for ages.
Maybe it just stands out more when there aren't many other
posts.  I think it's O.K. if you post the stuff, but it's
really one notch up from trolling.

To that extent, I'm on your side.  On the other hand, I
think Nick was voicing a valid concern.  Asking him to
apologize for that is pushing it.

---David

Evil pernicious nonsense, Maru

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Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Alberto Monteiro

William T Goodall wrote:
> 
> I think it's clear than Nick's behaviour here is quite inappropriate 
>  and deserves censure in the strongest terms. What happened to IAAMOAC?
> 
> It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that 
> he's  abusing his position in the most egregious manner and should 
> apologise  to me and the list for his outburst.
> 
The problem, William, is that your complain is based on the (false)
assumption that the list is a democratic place, with elected
representatives, and peer judgement. 

It's not. 

Someone pays to mantain it, so it's a plutocracy. In a plutocracy, 
the shareholders have absolute power to ban whoever they want.

Another example is the Wikipedia. There is an appearance of
democracy there, with people happily engaging in discussions and
elections, with the delusion that there's free speech and democracy.
In fact, it has an owner, and whenever he (or she or them or Them(tm))
decide, they will close everything and turn it into a paysite.

Alberto Monteiro

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Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-20 Thread William T Goodall

On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote:

> William,
> This is not a discussion list about religion.  I don't think we've  
> ever
> moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing
> increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction  
> and
> offensive to some who might otherwise participate.  Others,including  
> me, are
> just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on  
> the
> topic for a long, long time.
>

I think it's clear than Nick's behaviour here is quite inappropriate  
and deserves censure in the strongest terms. What happened to IAAMOAC?

It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that he's  
abusing his position in the most egregious manner and should apologise  
to me and the list for his outburst.

Civil Maru


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