RE: Brin: Why we still use rockets . . .

2011-02-12 Thread Dan Minette


The truth seems to be between these two arguments.

I think that's valid.  Rockets were a technology who's time had come.  I
think the fact that delivering 1000 bombs could destroy a nation had
something to do with how quickly they were developed at first, but in a
world that had a jet starting to be tested by Germany in WWII, and the X-15,
the technology was there for rockets, especially if they could be designed
and built on a cost plus basis.

But, they are based on fast, but not too fast, power output from available
chemical energy.  Everything indicates that building rockets up to the
Saturn V was simply applying known physics and chemistry.  But, I haven't
heard of a propellant with, say, 10x the energy density of the propellants
used in the '60s.  

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but since that time, we've been able to
increase the density of semiconductor chips by more than a factor of a
million in less than 40 years.  In a real sense, the economy has been
dependant on this, and knock offs of this during that time.

That might seem strange, since Microsoft isn't in the top 10 companies and
PC manufacturers come and go.  But, a lot of it has to do with how the rest
of us can do our jobs.

Wall-Mart's big gamble in the late 80s and early 90s was to spend its money,
not on stores, but on computer based inventory management.  My buddies who
created geosteering could not have done it if the cost of computing was as
high as it was only 10 years earlier.  4-D seismic wouldn't have
existedand these are just a few things off the top of my head.

The real driver for new technology is the physics/chemistry/biology which
form the landscape that inventors explore.  It's true that an ill prepared
explorer will probably find nothing.  But, I think rockets worked because
the technology and science of the 30s and 40s were enough to form a basis.
We haven't progressed much since the '60s because the basic question of
propulsion doesn't have a clear way to increase bang for the buck.  Without
that, we have to work hard for modest improvements.

Dan M. 


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Re: Brin: Why we still use rockets . . .

2011-02-11 Thread Gary Denton
Although I normally like Stirling Newberry this deconstruction is not
one of his better blog posts.


The truth seems to be between these two arguments.


On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Wayne Eddy darkenf...@gmail.com wrote:
 The deconstruction seems more reasonable than the article to me.

 On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:44 AM, KZK evil.ke...@gmail.com wrote:

  Ronn! Blankenship

  Space stasis: What the strange persistence of rockets can teach us
  about innovation. - By Neal Stephenson - Slate Magazine -
  http://www.slate.com/id/2283469/

 I just read an article that completely deconstructed that article:

 http://www.correntewire.com/shape_social_progress_i

 Which basically says the Stephenson article is Fractally Wrong:  Wrong at
 at every level of resolution.

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Re: Brin: Why we still use rockets . . .

2011-02-04 Thread KZK

 Ronn! Blankenship

 Space stasis: What the strange persistence of rockets can teach us
 about innovation. - By Neal Stephenson - Slate Magazine -
 http://www.slate.com/id/2283469/

I just read an article that completely deconstructed that article:

http://www.correntewire.com/shape_social_progress_i

Which basically says the Stephenson article is Fractally Wrong:  Wrong 
at at every level of resolution.


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Re: Brin: Why we still use rockets . . .

2011-02-04 Thread Wayne Eddy
The deconstruction seems more reasonable than the article to me.

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:44 AM, KZK evil.ke...@gmail.com wrote:

  Ronn! Blankenship


  Space stasis: What the strange persistence of rockets can teach us
  about innovation. - By Neal Stephenson - Slate Magazine -
  http://www.slate.com/id/2283469/

 I just read an article that completely deconstructed that article:

 http://www.correntewire.com/shape_social_progress_i

 Which basically says the Stephenson article is Fractally Wrong:  Wrong at
 at every level of resolution.


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Brin: Why we still use rockets . . .

2011-02-03 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Space stasis: What the strange persistence of rockets can teach us 
about innovation. - By Neal Stephenson - Slate Magazine - 
http://www.slate.com/id/2283469/




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