Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
At 08:58 PM Friday 5/11/2007, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: On 5/11/2007 7:45:36 PM, Ronn! Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not that kind. Get your mind out of the gutter. There are screws which have a hexagonal-shaped depression in the head which require a tool which is variously called an Allen wrench or a hex key to turn them. Then there are some which have a hexagonal depression in the head but instead of being flat the bottom of the depression has a raised bump in the center, which means that a regular Allen wrench or hex key will not go far enough down into the depression to turn them. (Which I think is the point.) Any of you engineering types or handypersons know what the latter are properly called? I need to open something to [attempt to] repair it, and it is held together with that type of screws, and since all I have are regular hex keys (some plain, some with ball ends), I need to know what kind of tool to get in order to remove and replace those screws. I've tried searching on-line for things like hex key and bump together, with no luck so far . . . TIA. Easy one! What you have is an Allen Head Security Screw AKA Allen Head Tamper Resistant Screw. That little bump is there to keep people (unqualified people you might say) out. I have several security tip sets and they are somewhat hard to find. I know you can get them at Frys (well.an overpriced mediocre set), What think you of the two on this page? http://www.rainbowkits.com/tools/tools.html and I have found them at a couple of computer/electronics stores. (The kind of electronics store that sells resistors and capacitors mind you) When I think of electronics store I always think of Radio Shack before thinking of Circuit City. (It does seem that there are a couple of Fry's locations in Georgia, both off on the NE side of Atlanta, which would be a 3-hour trip each way assuming traffic on 285 was moving and not its frequent parking-lot status, and the gas for the trip would probably be more than the price of both of the sets at the above link . . . and all the ones with Tamper Resistant in the name I see listed on their web site are star/Torx drivers . . . http://shop4.outpost.com/search?search_type=regularsqxts=1query_string=tamper+Resistantcat=0submit.x=8submit.y=10 which would do the job if I wanted to vandalize the men's room at the Wal-Mart Supercenter I was at on Saturday, but would not help me fix what I need to here . . . ) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
- Original Message - From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 4:16 AM Subject: Re: Irregulars Question: Screws At 08:58 PM Friday 5/11/2007, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: On 5/11/2007 7:45:36 PM, Ronn! Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not that kind. Get your mind out of the gutter. There are screws which have a hexagonal-shaped depression in the head which require a tool which is variously called an Allen wrench or a hex key to turn them. Then there are some which have a hexagonal depression in the head but instead of being flat the bottom of the depression has a raised bump in the center, which means that a regular Allen wrench or hex key will not go far enough down into the depression to turn them. (Which I think is the point.) Any of you engineering types or handypersons know what the latter are properly called? I need to open something to [attempt to] repair it, and it is held together with that type of screws, and since all I have are regular hex keys (some plain, some with ball ends), I need to know what kind of tool to get in order to remove and replace those screws. I've tried searching on-line for things like hex key and bump together, with no luck so far . . . TIA. Easy one! What you have is an Allen Head Security Screw AKA Allen Head Tamper Resistant Screw. That little bump is there to keep people (unqualified people you might say) out. I have several security tip sets and they are somewhat hard to find. I know you can get them at Frys (well.an overpriced mediocre set), What think you of the two on this page? http://www.rainbowkits.com/tools/tools.html The one at the top is pretty typical for the price, but the one at the bottom is a very good deal. Actually has more tips that I have in any single kit. For 5 bucks more it is a steal! and I have found them at a couple of computer/electronics stores. (The kind of electronics store that sells resistors and capacitors mind you) When I think of electronics store I always think of Radio Shack before thinking of Circuit City. Actually, I was refering to the kind of electronics stores that handle electronic components such as resistors and diodes and caps. We have a few here and I would suspect there has to be at least one in your area. Where do your TV repairmen get parts? (It does seem that there are a couple of Fry's locations in Georgia, both off on the NE side of Atlanta, which would be a 3-hour trip each way assuming traffic on 285 was moving and not its frequent parking-lot status, and the gas for the trip would probably be more than the price of both of the sets at the above link . . . and all the ones with Tamper Resistant in the name I see listed on their web site are star/Torx drivers . . . http://shop4.outpost.com/search?search_type=regularsqxts=1query_string=tamper+Resistantcat=0submit.x=8submit.y=10 which would do the job if I wanted to vandalize the men's room at the Wal-Mart Supercenter I was at on Saturday, but would not help me fix what I need to here . . . ) http://www.calcentron.com/Pages/Boxer_Home_Page/Boxer_TOA-TP-62.html This is the set I have seen sold at my local Frys. I have no idea why it isn't sold online. I own this set, but bought it at an electronic parts store. xponent Fixit Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
There are screws which have a hexagonal-shaped depression in the head which require a tool which is variously called an Allen wrench or a hex key to turn them. Then there are some which have a hexagonal depression in the head but instead of being flat the bottom of the depression has a raised bump in the center, which means that a regular Allen wrench or hex key will not go far enough down into the depression to turn them. (Which I think is the point.) Any of you engineering types or handypersons know what the latter are properly called? I need to open something to [attempt to] repair it, and it is held together with that type of screws, and since all I have are regular hex keys (some plain, some with ball ends), I need to know what kind of tool to get in order to remove and replace those screws. I've tried searching on-line for things like hex key and bump together, with no luck so far . . . -- Ronn! :) A bit late, but may still be helpful info. One of my favorite professional websites is _http://www.thomasnet.com/_ (http://www.thomasnet.com/) Started as a clearing house of equipment/industry/manufacturers of stuff that many people used to find ergonomic tools/options, but has drastically morphed. Great for finding tools you have a concept for but don't know where to find (for me the first things I looked for were pneumatic chisel and pallet handling devices). It is a monster site now, but you can link to hundreds/thousands of catalogs from one site which helps when you are window shopping and costing things. Catching up, Dee ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
On 12 May 2007, at 03:42, Robert Seeberger wrote: You would think Wikipedia would have an article that clarifies the various security screw types. The best set I own has around 54 different tips in about a dozen different styles. Makes my life a lot easier when I have to work on a fire alarm system, a building security system, or the odd piece of telephone equipment. These days you run into security screws in places where they really aren't needed. I had to open my PVR to replace the hard drive out of warranty a couple of months ago and fortunately had a T10 Torx Security bit in a toolbox I happened to have. I also happen to have an M-830B digital multimeter though so I happen to have some odd things. Anyhow I replaced the dead 40GB drive with a 250GB drive and can now record a lot more stuff! Whole Seasons Unwatched Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or Allow? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
At 09:42 PM Friday 5/11/2007, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Irregulars Question: Screws On 12/05/2007, at 10:45 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Not that kind. Get your mind out of the gutter. There are screws which have a hexagonal-shaped depression in the head which require a tool which is variously called an Allen wrench or a hex key to turn them. Then there are some which have a hexagonal depression in the head but instead of being flat the bottom of the depression has a raised bump in the center, which means that a regular Allen wrench or hex key will not go far enough down into the depression to turn them. (Which I think is the point.) Any of you engineering types or handypersons know what the latter are properly called? Torx. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx Over here, Torx only and specifically refers to the t-series star tips. Check. And I have those in a variety of sizes, including some which are both bigger and smaller than I have ever needed up until now. The type of tool Ronn! needs is easiest to find if referred to as Tamper Proof, Tamper Resistant, or Security. As I finally realized right before I saw the preceding message from you. (I was not exactly expecting Bryce Whatshisname to start addressing me when I went to that website, however.) You would think Wikipedia would have an article that clarifies the various security screw types. The best set I own has around 54 different tips in about a dozen different styles. I have one (or maybe more) of those which in addition to flat, Phillips, regular Allen/hex, Torx/star, hex-head (essentially sockets or nut drivers) has such things as bits for those with square depressions (Robertson) but apparently no tamper resistant Allen/hex (actually I thought I might have some but of course when I looked they were all plain rather than tamper resistant). Makes my life a lot easier when I have to work on a fire alarm system, a building security system, or the odd piece of telephone equipment. I noticed that the new box the phone company installed on the outside of the hose has two screws which allow the cover to be opened to allow access. One is iirc a Phillips head which opens the part they think a customer might have a reason to open and one of these tamper-resistant Allen screws to get into the rest of it. These days you run into security screws in places where they really aren't needed. Like here. While I'm sure that the company would make the claim that the ones which are currently a problem for me are there to prevent kids from opening it and getting their fingers into where they could get mangled or shocked, and also to keep adults who don't know much better from doing the same, I have a suspicion that one reason they were used was because for perhaps a few cents more to use such a screw rather than a more common type they would significantly increase the likelihood that when a malfunction occurred the average consumer would simply throw the unit in the trash and purchase a whole new one. (My expectation is that the problem is something like a fuse inside which has blown but why make it possible for the end user to check and replace a 25ยข fuse when they can make you buy a whole new one, since someone they would consider qualified service personnel would probably charge more for labor to unscrew the back and replace the fuse than the cost of a whole new device . . . maybe after all this question does concern that other type of screw . . . ) Anyway, thanks! xponent Screw Guns Maru rob Probably More Like Screw The Consumer Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Irregulars Question: Screws
Not that kind. Get your mind out of the gutter. There are screws which have a hexagonal-shaped depression in the head which require a tool which is variously called an Allen wrench or a hex key to turn them. Then there are some which have a hexagonal depression in the head but instead of being flat the bottom of the depression has a raised bump in the center, which means that a regular Allen wrench or hex key will not go far enough down into the depression to turn them. (Which I think is the point.) Any of you engineering types or handypersons know what the latter are properly called? I need to open something to [attempt to] repair it, and it is held together with that type of screws, and since all I have are regular hex keys (some plain, some with ball ends), I need to know what kind of tool to get in order to remove and replace those screws. I've tried searching on-line for things like hex key and bump together, with no luck so far . . . TIA. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
On 12/05/2007, at 10:45 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Not that kind. Get your mind out of the gutter. There are screws which have a hexagonal-shaped depression in the head which require a tool which is variously called an Allen wrench or a hex key to turn them. Then there are some which have a hexagonal depression in the head but instead of being flat the bottom of the depression has a raised bump in the center, which means that a regular Allen wrench or hex key will not go far enough down into the depression to turn them. (Which I think is the point.) Any of you engineering types or handypersons know what the latter are properly called? Torx. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
In a message dated 5/11/2007 6:36:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Torx. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx Charlie To prevent theft, this type of screw has been used exclusively in northern Iraq. Yes, I am going to say it: Torx are for Kurds. Thank you for your kind attention. Vilyehm ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
On 5/11/2007 7:45:36 PM, Ronn! Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not that kind. Get your mind out of the gutter. There are screws which have a hexagonal-shaped depression in the head which require a tool which is variously called an Allen wrench or a hex key to turn them. Then there are some which have a hexagonal depression in the head but instead of being flat the bottom of the depression has a raised bump in the center, which means that a regular Allen wrench or hex key will not go far enough down into the depression to turn them. (Which I think is the point.) Any of you engineering types or handypersons know what the latter are properly called? I need to open something to [attempt to] repair it, and it is held together with that type of screws, and since all I have are regular hex keys (some plain, some with ball ends), I need to know what kind of tool to get in order to remove and replace those screws. I've tried searching on-line for things like hex key and bump together, with no luck so far . . . TIA. Easy one! What you have is an Allen Head Security Screw AKA Allen Head Tamper Resistant Screw. That little bump is there to keep people (unqualified people you might say) out. I have several security tip sets and they are somewhat hard to find. I know you can get them at Frys (well.an overpriced mediocre set), and I have found them at a couple of computer/electronics stores. (The kind of electronics store that sells resistors and capacitors mind you) You won't find them at a hardware store. http://www.brycefastener.com/?gclid=COaY7OXCh4wCFQlFUAoddxx86Q But you can find them if you are persistant. xponent Tools Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Screws
- Original Message - From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Irregulars Question: Screws On 12/05/2007, at 10:45 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Not that kind. Get your mind out of the gutter. There are screws which have a hexagonal-shaped depression in the head which require a tool which is variously called an Allen wrench or a hex key to turn them. Then there are some which have a hexagonal depression in the head but instead of being flat the bottom of the depression has a raised bump in the center, which means that a regular Allen wrench or hex key will not go far enough down into the depression to turn them. (Which I think is the point.) Any of you engineering types or handypersons know what the latter are properly called? Torx. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx Over here, Torx only and specifically refers to the t-series star tips. The type of tool Ronn! needs is easiest to find if referred to as Tamper Proof, Tamper Resistant, or Security. You would think Wikipedia would have an article that clarifies the various security screw types. The best set I own has around 54 different tips in about a dozen different styles. Makes my life a lot easier when I have to work on a fire alarm system, a building security system, or the odd piece of telephone equipment. These days you run into security screws in places where they really aren't needed. xponent Screw Guns Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
