Isaac Hayes quits SouthPark over Scientology Ep

2006-03-14 Thread The Fool
Hyprocrisy.

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=162283

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060313/ap_en_tv/people_isaac_hayes

Religious beliefs are sacred to people, and at all times should be
respected and honored, he continued. As a civil rights activist of
the past 40 years, I cannot support a show that disrespects those
beliefs and practices.

South Park co-creator Matt Stone responded sharply in an interview
with The Associated Press Monday, saying, This is 100 percent having
to do with his faith of Scientology... He has no problem — and he's
cashed plenty of checks — with our show making fun of Christians.

Last November, South Park targeted the Church of Scientology and its
celebrity followers, including actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta, in
a top-rated episode called Trapped in the Closet. In the episode,
Stan, one of the show's four mischievous fourth graders, is hailed as a
reluctant savior by Scientology leaders, while a cartoon Cruise locks
himself in a closet and won't come out.

Stone told The AP he and co-creator Trey Parker never heard a peep out
of Isaac in any way until we did Scientology. He wants a different
standard for religions other than his own, and to me, that is where
intolerance and bigotry begin.

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would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this
filthy book (the Bible).
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Re: Isaac Hayes quits SouthPark over Scientology Ep

2006-03-14 Thread Dave Land

On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:23 AM, The Fool wrote:


Hyprocrisy.


One more good reason not to watch South Park. I was deeply insulted when
a friend that I *thought* knew me better said that he thought I'd enjoy
that show.


Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one
worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the
boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I
would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this
filthy book (the Bible).
--Thomas Paine


Mr. Paine reveals himself to be what would be labeled a liberal
Christian with this quote... The idea that the Bible is a human, rather
than a divine product (the work of men, not the Word of God) is very
much alive today, promoted by the likes of Marcus Borg, Jack Spong and
John Dominic Crossan, to name a few. I think I've sung the praises of
Spong's Rescuing the Bible from Funamentalism here in the past. The
first half of the book covers this topic in spades.

Dave
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Re: Isaac Hayes quits SouthPark over Scientology Ep

2006-03-14 Thread Max Battcher

Dave Land wrote:

On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:23 AM, The Fool wrote:


Hyprocrisy.


One more good reason not to watch South Park. I was deeply insulted when
a friend that I *thought* knew me better said that he thought I'd enjoy
that show.


Really?  I would claim it as one more good reason *to* watch South Park. 
 Sure, South Park can be crude and juvenile at first glance, but below 
the surface: who else out there is doing as much biting socio-political 
and religious satire?  (The hypocrisy in question was in the form of a 
voice actor's choice, not in terms of South Park itself which remains 
something of an equal-opportunity satire show.)


The episode in question completely angered many Scientologists.  If you 
watch it, though, it really isn't all that scathing (nowhere near as 
mean and vicious as South Park has been to several varieties of 
Christian doctrine, such as more recently: the Mel Gibson school of 
violent worship).  In fact, the worrying thing is that most of what is 
scathing about it is actual Scientology doctrine repeated in the midst 
of the episode.  It's just sad that Scientology is so inherently funny.


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Re: Isaac Hayes quits SouthPark over Scientology Ep

2006-03-14 Thread Charlie Bell


On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:25 AM, Max Battcher wrote:


The episode in question completely angered many Scientologists.  If  
you watch it, though, it really isn't all that scathing (nowhere  
near as mean and vicious as South Park has been to several  
varieties of Christian doctrine, such as more recently: the Mel  
Gibson school of violent worship).


Precisely. :)

In fact, the worrying thing is that most of what is scathing about  
it is actual Scientology doctrine repeated in the midst of the  
episode.


Doctrine that is copyrighted, and not revealed until you reach  
certain levels...



  It's just sad that Scientology is so inherently funny.


Sadder that anyone takes it seriously - if they didn't it really  
would be Just Funny. But humans are capable of believing just about  
anything. It's bad enough that some of the whackier stuff - creation  
science, speaking in tongues - that has attached itself to the  
major religions continues to flourish (indeed, some of the mainstream  
beliefs are a little odd, but hey...) but Scientology is just a cult,  
same as the Raelians or the various Church of Christ cult groups.


Charlie
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