Re: Permission Slips Re: RhetoricalQuestionsRE:RemovingDictatorsRe: PeacefulchangeL3

2005-04-28 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:25:51 -0400, JDG wrote

 On the other hand, seriously considering the opinion of another is
 typically an adult-to-adult relationship.It would be rather nonsensical
 to use a child/permission slip metaphor to argue against an adult-to-
 adult dynamic of seriously considering the opinions of others.

And you're saying this in *defense* of Bush and Cheney?  You've just said that
the metaphor is nonsensical in relationship to the United States and the
United Nations.  Bush and Cheney used it to describe that relationship!  

So, which is it?  Using the metaphor in this context is nonsensical or not?

Imagine if they *had* used an adult-to-adult metaphor to describe the
relationships among nations.  What do adults do when they deal with conflict?
 They talk, collaborate, negotiate, argue,  confer, seek common ground and so
forth.  They don't ask each other for permission slips.

The statement would become something such as, The United States doesn't need
to collaborate with the international family of nations.   Doesn't have quite
the same impact, does it?

Nick
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Re: Permission Slips Re: RhetoricalQuestionsRE:RemovingDictatorsRe: PeacefulchangeL3

2005-04-27 Thread JDG
At 05:32 AM 4/27/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
 Yes, I am saying that the child/permission slip line is a metaphor 
 for the US seeking the consent of the UNSC on foreign policy 
 positions.

So, who is the parent and who is the child?

Isn't it obvious?

In the child/permission slip analogy, the United States would be the child
asking for permission from the UN.

On the other hand, seriously considering the opinion of another is
typically an adult-to-adult relationship.It would be rather nonsensical
to use a child/permission slip metaphor to argue against an adult-to-adult
dynamic of seriously considering the opinions of others.

JDG
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