Re: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
- Original Message - From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:51 AM Subject: Re: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment) From: ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Seeberger wrote: One thing you have to remember about Bisexuals. They can blend into any crowd. Remain hidden as long as they like. And only attract notice if they want to be noticed. My personal experience tells me that 40-60% of women I have dated were Bi (to varying degrees) and I would suspect the numbers are similar for men. Male homosexuality is suppressed in our society to the degree that male bisexuals either hide their sexuality or never act on it. I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. I have some questions: How do you determine if somebody is 'bi' if they have never acted on it? If you are talking about a person who thinks they are bi but has never had sex with one (or both) of the sexes, sexual orientation isn't about who a person has or has not had sex with, it has everything to do with who that person feels sexually attracted to. Determining if another person is bi can be difficult. I don't know how Robert drew the conclusion he did unless the women he dated were open about it. Yes. And who would 'pure' heterosexuals be? People who find homo-sexuality repulsive? No, I think he simply meant that the person feels no sexual attraction to members of the same sex. That doesn't require feeling repulsed by it. As a matter of fact, there is a good chance that a person that actually feels repulsed by homosexuality probably feels that way because they are sublimating doubt about their own sexual orientation, and I would question the purity of their heterosexuality. I think Robert's estimates may be a bit high, though, if he really thinks bisexuals might outnumber heterosexuals. That would be Bisexuals + Homosexuals Heterosexuals (numerically or by percentage) Yeah, that's definitely a high side estimate. That's why there are a couple of qualifying words in the statement. xponent Guesstimates Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic] Amendment)
Straight, married, kids, moderate. I think that last one makes me a freak around here... ;-) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage I didn't really think anyone was keeping a chart, but... me, I'm poly, transgendered, sapiosexual, with no children - fit THAT into your categories, Debbi ^_^ blinks opens mouth closes mouth shakes head Umm, I think it's safe to say that you're off any charts *I* might have access to ;) And just what is sapiosexual? wicked grin Only has sex with wise persons? Only has sex with humans? ...with the self-aware? Debbi who seems quite boring in comparison __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 2/19/2004 12:55:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And just what is sapiosexual? wicked grin Only has sex with wise persons? Only has sex with humans? ...with the self-aware? Debbi who seems quite boring in comparison Only has sex with women who wear amber? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 07:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment) Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? -j- delurk Openly hetero here. Married, no kids (yet). :-D /delurk Jon, I'd like to congratulate you on your courage in coming clean on this ^_^ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia Thompson wrote: Miller, Jeffrey wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) Monogamous, hetero, married, kids. Monogamous, bi, married, expecting first baby in June... Insane. ditto (hormones) (I'm told it gets easier once twins hit 12-18 months.) maybe more like 18 years... ;) Ticia ',:) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:59:25 -0800 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 07:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment) Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? -j- delurk Openly hetero here. Married, no kids (yet). :-D /delurk Jon, I'd like to congratulate you on your courage in coming clean on this ^_^ *sniff* Thanks. The first step out of the closet is always the hardest. ;-) I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching the local newscast. :-D Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In order to be average some need to be on either side of that average. I tend to think that we average out, but only with a big standard deviation over all the values, so that either side up to the outer limits of the spectrum are represented. ;o) Sonja :o) xGCU: One man and one little man. Love both dearly. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ticia wrote: Monogamous, bi, married, expecting first baby in June... Sounds kinda difficult to be monogamous and bi - I guess one is who you are and one is what you do. I am surprised at the number of bi members - I had always thought it to be purely the stuff of letters to Penthouse. It gets so little attention compared to the gay vs hetero question. Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment) Ticia wrote: Monogamous, bi, married, expecting first baby in June... Sounds kinda difficult to be monogamous and bi - I guess one is who you are and one is what you do. I am surprised at the number of bi members - I had always thought it to be purely the stuff of letters to Penthouse. It gets so little attention compared to the gay vs hetero question. One thing you have to remember about Bisexuals. They can blend into any crowd. Remain hidden as long as they like. And only attract notice if they want to be noticed. My personal experience tells me that 40-60% of women I have dated were Bi (to varying degrees) and I would suspect the numbers are similar for men. Male homosexuality is suppressed in our society to the degree that male bisexuals either hide their sexuality or never act on it. I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. xponent But I Could Be Wrong Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 19 Feb 2004, at 12:08 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. I'm in that 10% minority :) Can I get a disabled sticker for that? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: One thing you have to remember about Bisexuals. They can blend into any crowd. Remain hidden as long as they like. And only attract notice if they want to be noticed. My personal experience tells me that 40-60% of women I have dated were Bi (to varying degrees) and I would suspect the numbers are similar for men. Male homosexuality is suppressed in our society to the degree that male bisexuals either hide their sexuality or never act on it. I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. I have some questions: How do you determine if somebody is 'bi' if they have never acted on it? And who would 'pure' heterosexuals be? People who find homo-sexuality repulsive? Ritu, who is monogamous/hetero/married with one daughter ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Seeberger wrote: One thing you have to remember about Bisexuals. They can blend into any crowd. Remain hidden as long as they like. And only attract notice if they want to be noticed. My personal experience tells me that 40-60% of women I have dated were Bi (to varying degrees) and I would suspect the numbers are similar for men. Male homosexuality is suppressed in our society to the degree that male bisexuals either hide their sexuality or never act on it. I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. I have some questions: How do you determine if somebody is 'bi' if they have never acted on it? If you are talking about a person who thinks they are bi but has never had sex with one (or both) of the sexes, sexual orientation isn't about who a person has or has not had sex with, it has everything to do with who that person feels sexually attracted to. Determining if another person is bi can be difficult. I don't know how Robert drew the conclusion he did unless the women he dated were open about it. And who would 'pure' heterosexuals be? People who find homo-sexuality repulsive? No, I think he simply meant that the person feels no sexual attraction to members of the same sex. That doesn't require feeling repulsed by it. As a matter of fact, there is a good chance that a person that actually feels repulsed by homosexuality probably feels that way because they are sublimating doubt about their own sexual orientation, and I would question the purity of their heterosexuality. I think Robert's estimates may be a bit high, though, if he really thinks bisexuals might outnumber heterosexuals. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jeffrey Miller asked: Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? *raises hand way back in the corner* Right here. Bi. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aclipscomb.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) I believe that human sexuality is non-linear. While there are certainly a great many people who are very firmly homosexual or heterosexual, there just as surely exists some subset of people who exist on the in-between. [...] Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? I would be very surprised if the list were representative of the overall population. This group tends to be more intelligent and more liberal than the overall population, and, as consequence, it is far more likely that people here will be more open to the posibility of an alternative lifestyle. Myself, I would say I'm bisexual with a strong leaning towards heterosexual. I also must admit that if homosexuality were more accepted, I would probably be bisexual with only a slight lean towards heterosexual. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:35 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment) Jeffrey Miller asked: Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? *raises hand way back in the corner* Right here. Bi. Glad you could make it to the party ^_^ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Harney Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:33 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment) From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) I believe that human sexuality is non-linear. While there are certainly a great many people who are very firmly homosexual or heterosexual, there just as surely exists some subset of people who exist on the in-between. [...] Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? I would be very surprised if the list were representative of the overall population. This group tends to be more intelligent and more liberal than the overall population, and, as consequence, it is far more likely that people here will be more open to the posibility of an alternative lifestyle. I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) Myself, I would say I'm bisexual with a strong leaning towards heterosexual. I also must admit that if homosexuality were more accepted, I would probably be bisexual with only a slight lean towards heterosexual. *nod* Thanks for phoning in :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Top-post -- Of **course** we're not average! We're clearly all _above average_! ;D Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) Hetero here, (if you want me to put myself on a chart, I'll guess ~ 95%, since I'm allowing that if I'd grown up in a radically different society I might not be 100%), single yet looking, 2 children-in-fur, 3 surrogate children-on-the-hoof... Debbi Shades of Lake Woebegone? Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment) Hetero here, (if you want me to put myself on a chart, I'll guess ~ 95%, since I'm allowing that if I'd grown up in a radically different society I might not be 100%), single yet looking, 2 children-in-fur, 3 surrogate children-on-the-hoof... So, you bought fur coats for two biological children and have sent 3 foster children on a horse back ride for the afternoon? Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hetero here, (if you want me to put myself on a chart, I'll guess ~ 95%, since I'm allowing that if I'd grown up in a radically different society I might not be 100%), single yet looking, 2 children-in-fur, 3 surrogate children-on-the-hoof... Debbi Single as well. One of my best friends (gay) once described me as the straightest human being who has ever lived. I don't think he meant it as a compliment, but he's probably right :-) = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hetero here, (if you want me to put myself on a chart, I'll guess ~ 95%, since I'm allowing that if I'd grown up in a radically different society I might not be 100%), single yet looking, 2 children-in-fur, 3 surrogate children-on-the-hoof... So, you bought fur coats for two biological children and have sent 3 foster children on a horse back ride for the afternoon? Aarrrgh! Fur coats for humans (in non-aboriginal settings) are evil and must be eliminated! [And you made my kitties cough up some hairballs with this comment... ;) ] And only one student for this afternoon (hurrah! We finally get to ride! We've had nothin' but ice on the trail for weeks!). ...Where All The Children Are Above Average Maru :D __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Miller, Jeffrey wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) Monogamous, hetero, married, kids. Insane. (I'm told it gets easier once twins hit 12-18 months.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Monogamous, hetero, married, kids. Me too! Except changed married to engaged, and kids to none... Insane. That too (but in a different way...bwahahahaha!) Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 2/17/2004 6:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Monogamous, hetero, married, kids. monogamous hetero married kids (I have kids my kids aren't married at least not the last time I looked) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic] Amendment) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:25:23 -0800 From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) I believe that human sexuality is non-linear. While there are certainly a great many people who are very firmly homosexual or heterosexual, there just as surely exists some subset of people who exist on the in-between. [...] Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? -j- delurk Openly hetero here. Married, no kids (yet). :-D /delurk Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
