RE: TDF

2003-07-09 Thread Chad Cooper


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I watched the team time trial of the Tour De France today, and 
the US Postal Service team (incl. Lance Armstrong) came from 
way back to not only win but shatter the course, building up 
speed with every klick, eventually winning by 30 seconds. It 
was a stirring achievement to watch, because they really rode 
as a *team,* all 9 riders streaking down the course as one.

Very very kewel.

Don't forget we totally beat the French!
NFH



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RE: TDF

2003-07-09 Thread TomFODW
Don't forget we totally beat the French!



Speaking only for myself, I'm not rooting *against* anyone - I'm rooting *for* Lance 
Armstrong.


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Re: TDF

2003-07-09 Thread Julia Thompson
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 Don't forget we totally beat the French!
 
 Speaking only for myself, I'm not rooting *against* anyone - I'm
 rooting *for* Lance Armstrong.

So'm I.  He's the only reason I got interested in TDF in the first
place.  For that, and geographical reasons, I'll be rooting *for* him in
any TDF he's in.

(Doesn't hurt that he helps out with an annual bike race around here to
help raise money for cancer research, either.)

Julia
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Re: TDF

2003-07-09 Thread Kevin Tarr
I spent way too much time replying this morning. Damn you Brin-L! But now 
at work I can waste as much time as I want.
If other's did reply to you off list Julia, could I ask those others to 
send their opinions to me? Just want to read what others are thinking.
I don't want to say I'm a fanatic, but I do tape every TDF from OLN. I got 
a satellite dish just to get OLN. (Well, the second reason. Comcast, the 
local cable, has raised the fees the full amount they can each year for the 
last five years. So this was my FU to them.) I also watch all the other 
bike races, as well as skiing on OLN. I've gotten into arguments over the 
TDF, and have not been wrong on the facts. (Just little arguments. At a 
bike event there was a DJ giving away prizes asking trivia questions. One 
question was: how many riders on each team in the TDF? A teenaged girl 
standing next to me asked her dad what the answer was, he said eleven 
riders. I didn't know these people, but I turned and said, No, it's nine 
riders. Twenty one teams, nine riders, 189 riders total. (last year). The 
girl looked at me, then her dad, then ran up to the DJ and said nine 
riders. She got a pair of socks.)
Last year I listened to the live French audio stream coverage of the race 
while at work. As long as you know the names, everything can be figured 
out. This year I can't get anything to work, so I just read the text updates.

Tom Beck: Who says a playoff series doesn't begin until the home team 
loses? I've never heard that. Is it in pro basketball, which isn't a real 
sport? Do they mean the team with the home team advantage, or the home team 
for each game? I suspect they mean the first but it's still a silly 
statement. Not trying to pick a fight. I agree with you, LA hasn't lost 
time on any mountain stages in the last few years. But except for Heras, 
his team has not helped as much as they should have in the mountains. He 
doesn't have Hamilton anymore, he lost Andreau last year (who wasn't much 
of a climber). It will be noticeable if his pick-ups help more this year. 
Does Ullrich have as good a team around him?

Bryon: What press seems to think he'll win, this year? Do you mean 
non-cycling reporters? I thought last year everyone was fawning over him, 
with his win in the Swiss race, his standing as the number one cyclist in 
the world. I read Velo news which is a lot less biased then Bicycling 
magazine. They aren't cutting at him like they did two years ago, but not 
as supportive as last year. He has only won two prologues, right, last year 
and the year before that? While they are important, being the last starter 
and going over cobblestones would not be fun. He said he didn't start as 
hard as he liked. Think of it: they ride for 3-4 hours, then spin on a 
trainer for twenty minutes to get their heartrate way up, THEN they jump up 
to the ramp for a seven and a half minute race.
That's why I like the TDF. You can win the whole thing without winning a 
single stage. But also one stupid mistake can cost you a 21 day race. Last 
year for the USPS a flat caused five of them to wreck, they finished second 
with only six riders. This year they win the team time trial with all nine.

Kevin T. - VRWC
Off on my own bike. I hope the rain holds off.
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Re: TDF

2003-07-09 Thread TomFODW
Tom Beck: Who says a playoff series doesn't begin until the home team 
loses? I've never heard that. Is it in pro basketball, which isn't a real 
sport? Do they mean the team with the home team advantage, or the home team 
for each game? I suspect they mean the first but it's still a silly 
statement. Not trying to pick a fight. 

What they mean is the team that has the 4 games at home. Primarily in the NBA, also in 
the NHL, to a lesser extent in MLB. Because, in the NBA, the home team has a huge 
advantage, if each team were to win its home games, the team with the 4 home games 
would win the championship. I don't know why you say it's silly; it's no sillier than 
anything else one hears on sports-talk radio (which I know perfectly well is a source 
of some very silly things indeed). My only point was that Armstrong is so dominant in 
the mountain stages, that's where this race really begins, at least over the last few 
years. It was an analogy, which I realize is at best of limited utility, but all I 
wanted to do was point out that Armstrong has been more of a force in the mountain 
stages than on flatter ground.


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