Re: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread Keith Henson
At 10:57 PM 20/10/04 -0700, Doug wrote:
They could, of course, salvage the whole lot by treating it with radiation.
Keith
Think the shortage of flu vaccine is just bad luck?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18795-2004Oct8.html
Britain: U.S. Told Of Vaccine Shortage
LONDON, Oct. 8 -- British health officials said Friday that their American 
counterparts were informed in mid-September that problems at a drug 
manufacturing plant in northwest England could disrupt influenza vaccine 
supplies to the United States.

And to fully understand how the vaccine problem was yet another leadership 
failure by the Bush administration check the conclusion and 
reccomendations starting on page 22 of this  GAO report 
(PDF)http://aging.senate.gov/events/hr67gao.pdf compiled in 2001 and 
entitled FLU VACCINE: Supply Problems Heighten Need to Ensure Access for 
High-Risk People.

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Doug
Time he flu the coop.
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Re: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 10:57 PM 10/20/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Think the shortage of flu vaccine is just bad luck?

Lately many liberals have suggested that the US government should use its
buying power to try and drive down prescription drug prices and lower
profits.I think that it is worth considering what consequences this
same policy has wrought in the market for flu vaccines - the government
buys most of the nation's vaccines, and many flu vaccine producers have
since proceeded to get out of the flu vaccine business, which left (pardon
the pun) all of our eggs in one basket.   

Its worth noting that the UK and their nationalized health care system is
in the same boat that we are.

JDG 


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RE: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread Horn, John
 Behalf Of JDG
 
 Lately many liberals have suggested that the US government 
 should use its
 buying power to try and drive down prescription drug prices and
lower
 profits.I think that it is worth considering what 
 consequences this
 same policy has wrought in the market for flu vaccines - the 
 government
 buys most of the nation's vaccines, and many flu vaccine 
 producers have
 since proceeded to get out of the flu vaccine business, which 
 left (pardon
 the pun) all of our eggs in one basket.   

I don't know.  In another thread, there is a discussion of whether
NASA is in trouble because they are relying on a limited number of
suppliers.  That certainly isn't because of cost reduction issues at
NASA, I don't believe.  I think this has more to do with the second
part of your email: the government buys most of the vaccine.
Wouldn't that make for limited suppliers as there isn't much
competition for buyers, regardless of price?  

 - jmh
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Re: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Oct 2004, at 1:39 pm, JDG wrote:
At 10:57 PM 10/20/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Think the shortage of flu vaccine is just bad luck?
Lately many liberals have suggested that the US government should use 
its
buying power to try and drive down prescription drug prices and lower
profits.I think that it is worth considering what consequences this
same policy has wrought in the market for flu vaccines - the government
buys most of the nation's vaccines, and many flu vaccine producers have
since proceeded to get out of the flu vaccine business, which left 
(pardon
the pun) all of our eggs in one basket.

Its worth noting that the UK and their nationalized health care system 
is
in the same boat that we are.

According to the linked story the UK Health Service had already 
arranged for an additional 1.2 million doses from some of its five 
other suppliers by the end of the month, with an additional 1 million 
due to arrive by mid-November. 

What boat are you talking about?
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RE: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:24 AM 10/21/2004 -0500 Horn, John wrote:
I don't know.  In another thread, there is a discussion of whether
NASA is in trouble because they are relying on a limited number of
suppliers.  That certainly isn't because of cost reduction issues at
NASA, I don't believe.  I think this has more to do with the second
part of your email: the government buys most of the vaccine.
Wouldn't that make for limited suppliers as there isn't much
competition for buyers, regardless of price?  

Not necessarily.   There is no reason for the government to buy all of its
supply from one place, as it does not appear that flu vaccine production
has irresistable economies of scale.

I think this blog does a good analysis of what is going on here:
  http://cafehayek.typepad.com/hayek/2004/10/the_cause_of_th.html

JDG
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