RE: Some things are too good to last
From: J. van Baardwijk [mailto:j.vanbaardwijk;chello.nl] About 15 minutes ago, for an other post, I did a Google search on Dan Minette; there were literally dozens of links to the archives at mail-archive.com and Yahoo!Groups. When I did a search on your e-mail address, the first two links point to mail-archive.com. I stand corrected. I wasn't aware that google could reach those archives. Apparently the Hero-L mailing list I'm on also shows up. Doh!! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 14:42 01-11-2002 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Can convicted felons work for the Dutch Defense Ministry, and why or why not? [snippage] Of course, there will be a few variables at play then, such as what you did wrong and when you did it. A sentence of 40 hours of community service you received 10 years ago for putting some graffiti on a wall is not likely to cause any problems with getting a job. If your criminal record lists gun violence, you will probably not get a job in which you will have access to weapons. Someone convicted for fraud will probably not get a job with DEFAC (Defense Finance Accounting) either. A criminal record will probably also have an effect on your Security Clearance level. Is putting graffiti on a wall a felony there, then? I think that that would probably fall under the category of misdemeanor here. Misdemeanors don't affect your ability to vote, and probably don't affect your ability to hold most jobs. A felony is a more serious crime. Do you have any classification distinction between sorts of crimes like that, or not? Just curious. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:58 04-11-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Is putting graffiti on a wall a felony there, then? I think that that would probably fall under the category of misdemeanor here. Misdemeanors don't affect your ability to vote, and probably don't affect your ability to hold most jobs. A felony is a more serious crime. Putting graffiti on a wall is probably only a misdemeanour here as well. You are not sent to prison for it, but will be usually be sentenced to a number of hours of community service -- and it the case of graffiti artists, that usually means *removing* graffiti from walls. GRIN But anyway, I only used that example to point out that relatively small acts of wrongdoing usually do not have any really serious consequences later in life. Do you have any classification distinction between sorts of crimes like that, or not? Just curious. We do; the classification is pretty much similar to the classification in the US, although there might be a few differences wrt whether a specific act is considered a misdemeanour or a crime, or even a form of criminal behaviour at all. Jeroen Justice for all van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 19:16 02-11-2002 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: One thing I find interesting, going over this thread: All responses spawned by that one post of Jeroen's that come through as being part of the thread as threaded by Netscape come either from people in Jeroen's town in The Netherlands, or people who live in Texas within 3 hours' drive of each other. Does this mean anything, or is it coincidental? :) Julia waiting for a response from someone not fitting either geographical category now That the rest of us have decided to stay out of it? Well, if people insist, I *could* reply to it from work (now that my PC has been repaired). I live but do not work in Eindhoven (which, BTW, qualifies as *city*, not *town*: pop. 203,000 per 01-01-2001) but work in the nearby town of Oirschot, so technically speaking, I would not be posting from either geographical category then. GRIN Jeroen Just a thought van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:55 01-11-2002 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: If he uses that sort of methods, he is likely to use other questionable reasons as well to decide whether or not to fire an employee (such as how often does this employee leave his desk to get some coffee? and I am a smoker -- is this employee opposed to smoking?). Not the kind of employer *I* would want to work for. To put it bluntly, you are speaking from ignorance. Actually, it is worse: I am speaking from experience. I have seen employers use literally anything to determine whether or not to fire someone. I have even had one employer who kept track of how often I went to the toilet... Not everyone works for the government. Who said anything about working for the government? However, when someone is looking for work, they don't need a question mark by their name. That is usually enough to get someone in the discard pile. Then that person should show such behaviour that such a question mark would not appear in the first place. Everyone is responsible for his/her own actions and the consequences of those actions. I mean, if you had a criminal record, and an employer would decide not to hire you because of that criminal record, would you blame the government for your not-getting-the-job because they keep such records? Second, it would not make any difference if I would put such messages on a website, because those messages are already a matter of public record record (they are available from at least two on-line archives). You know better than that. Its like saying that it makes no difference, given that a needle exists in a haystack in the state of Kansas, that someone offers a service to fetch the needle for someone and place it on their desk. After all, it was in an accessable place. Your analogy is flawed: finding something about FREX you on the Web would be several orders of magnitude easier than finding a needle of which you only know that it is in a haystack somewhere in Kansas. Example: I just did a Google search on Dan Minette; Google returned 232 results and only needed 0.18 seconds for it. I challenge you to find a needle in an haystack in Kansas within 0.18 seconds... GRIN There are billions upon billions of bytes of information on the www. To set things up so that negative information is selected when someone's name is typed in a search engine is not the same as it being buried in near 100,000 messages of one of hundreds of thousands of mailing lists and newsgroups. Let's assume for a moment that I had put some negative information about you on a website; what would be the odds of an employer selecting that specific link from the hundreds of results a search on your name would generate? Jeroen You do the crime, you do the time van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:44 01-11-2002 -0600, John Horn wrote: Second, it would not make any difference if I would put such messages on a website, because those messages are already a matter of public record (they are available from at least two on-line archives). Last time I checked, neither of those archives shows up when you do a google search. About 15 minutes ago, for an other post, I did a Google search on Dan Minette; there were literally dozens of links to the archives at mail-archive.com and Yahoo!Groups. When I did a search on your e-mail address, the first two links point to mail-archive.com. Jeroen Websearch van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 03:56 PM 10/30/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Reggie Bautista wrote: Jean-Louis replied: I suggest drinking Halloween floats : 1 part blond beer (eg. lager) with orange coloring 1 part Guinness which should float on the lager! Irish bars here in KC (and presumably elsewhere) call this either a half-and-half (if the bottom half is Harp) or a Black and Tan (if the bottom half is Bass). Ahh, the memories! A pint-sized half-and-half in my right hand, a double-shot of Bushmills Special Reserve in my left hand, and a bar full of drunks singing Irish drinking songs along with Eddie Delahunt... Those were *really* the days :-) Reggie Bautista Haven't even had a good glass of Mead in the past year Maru :-( This reminds me of a Halloween ride in 1990: for our pre-ride brunch we had mead, coffee with Bailey's, and mimosas (orange juice champagne) - with assorted quiches/muffins/fruit to dilute the alcohol! - then set off for the lake. I was one of several to 'kiss the dirt' as none of the horses had participated in a costumed event before (no one was hurt as we were, ahem, 'well-lubricated'), but the real problem came later, when I was holding the reins for another woman to re-mount. Her mare spooked violently at her flapping cape (the scary mask probably didn't help either :P ), reared and leaped into the lake; not having sense enough to drop the reins, I wound up _under_ Magnolia, and finally let go of them when a pastern (the joint right above the hoof) smacked my forehead. [I didn't see it of course, but a steel-shod hoof would have at least cracked my soused head; those on shore said she appeared to stumble before she leaped out of the water - I think she sensed that I was under her and jumped over me...] What's that saying about watching over fools and idiots? shudder I haven't ridden, driven or operated any equipment whatsoever with more than a half-glass of wine on-board since. I think I will refrain from making any observations about dumb animals . . . especially when it comes to applying that label to any particular one of the participants in that anecdote . . . --Ronn! :) When Are The Lawyers Going To Require Warning Labels On Horses Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 10:17 AM 10/31/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Some things are too good to last Dan Minette wrote: I hit reply on a post from Sonja, and it went to her instead of the list. That's the first time that's happend to me. Anyway, here it is. [great snippage] I do not see how you can ask someone to have ignored your husbands threats to people's livelihoods. I haven't seen any evidence that he's about to put that sort of negative information up; all he's done this week is indicate displeasure with the list with his .sig. I agree, and that's fair enough. I know that Jeroen's recent responses to me have been much easier to deal with. He has strongly pushed his points, but has kept the conversation on topic. Yes, he has ignored some of my questions, but in my head I just assume that he doesn't have a good answer for those questions right now. I've seen other posters delay answers to certain questions until they are happy with responses. But, Adam brought up an example of a past threat, and I was responding to Sonja's response to that, etc. That threat no longer seems operative, which is very good, but it is a reasonable example of a threat that could not have been ignored. Fair enough. I just prefer not to drag up negative things from the past if it can be avoided. I think that on the basis of this one .sig file change, some people are overreacting. My reaction was at the time was please let this not be the start of a pattern. It doesn't appear to be, Jeroen seems to write lotsa different things in the .sig file. Right. I just took it as momentary frustration (keeping in tone with the rest of the post!) rearing its head, and might have glossed over it altogether if it hadn't been pointed out. Rob, if you're going to point out stuff in Jeroen's .sig file, can you point out the good things, too? I'm liable to miss those, as well. :) If he actually modifies content on his website to reflect this negativity, that's another matter entirely, but he hasn't done a damn thing to it this week as far as I can tell. All he has done is modify his .sig file. Lighten up, guys, would ya? I have no problem with the .sig. However, I didn't respond to Sonja's first comment that the original protest of Gautam, myself, and others was just paranoia because I was willing to let things lie and because I allowed a bit of hyperbola by someone who was subjected to a number of rude emails. (That of course was wrong.) However, after it became a repeated theme for Sonja; I decided to respond. I have no problems with Jeroen put in his sig. I have a significant problem with any credible threat of RL consequences. That is not paranoia. Indeed, my issue is with Sonja's posts, not Jeroen's sigs. I differ with them and thus write a rebuttal. No hard feelings. Indeed, a casual perusal of my posting patterns indicates that I do tend to write rebuttals for posts I differ with, even when they are written by people I like. :-) Yes, you do. Actually, I expected nothing less from you when I hit send. And I'd like to take the opportunity to let you know that I appreciate the cordial tone of your response to me. One thing I find interesting, going over this thread: All responses spawned by that one post of Jeroen's that come through as being part of the thread as threaded by Netscape come either from people in Jeroen's town in The Netherlands, or people who live in Texas within 3 hours' drive of each other. Does this mean anything, or is it coincidental? :) Julia waiting for a response from someone not fitting either geographical category now That the rest of us have decided to stay out of it? -- Ronn in Birmingham, AL :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 02:48 PM 11/1/02, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: .command of Ron on Jeroen's sig. And second to Adam's respons to my first That should have been ... comment of Ron on D'oh. :o) Sonja Who's Ron? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: RE: Some things are too good to last Last time I checked, neither of those archives shows up when you do a google search. A page on your website probably would. I use Copernic for searches. Using my name for a search brings up Sloan3D as the first hit and the eighth hit. The yahoo group comes up as the sixteenth hit and the twentysixth hit. The twenty eighth hit is mail-archive.com as is the forty first. But I think this gives creedence to Johns point. Regular websites give better hits than archives. Who is going to research the archive looking for dirt on a new hire? xponent A Clue Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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J. van Baardwijk wrote: And then of course there is this little thing called freedom of speech. The First Amendment in the U.S. protects you from the GOVERNMENT. If your prospective employer doesn't want controversy, he doesn't have to hire you if he thinks you'll bring it. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: J. van Baardwijk [mailto:j.vanbaardwijk;chello.nl] First, an employer who would use a couple of e-mails as a reason to not hire a person, would be a lousy employer anyway. If he uses that sort of methods, he is likely to use other questionable reasons as well to decide whether or not to fire an employee (such as how often does this employee leave his desk to get some coffee? and I am a smoker -- is this employee opposed to smoking?). Not the kind of employer *I* would want to work for. I have posted the last time this comes up that this is not true. As a person who has done hiring, when you have a stack of resumes 6 inches high for a position that are all basically identical you are looking for reasons *NOT* to hire some of them. A web search that brings up something like this might cause that resume to go into the no pile. I don't believe that makes me a bad employer or change the way I'm going to deal with someone once I do hire them. They are completely different things. Second, it would not make any difference if I would put such messages on a website, because those messages are already a matter of public record (they are available from at least two on-line archives). Last time I checked, neither of those archives shows up when you do a google search. A page on your website probably would. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: __ Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com I suppose it was only to be expected. This kind of exchanges really aren't helping to restore the calm. In fact they are contributing to the continuing adversity. Unfortunatly some get more heat for doing so then others. Well, who wrote Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website:? If listmember J uses a website to slam the list, or threatens to do so, with the implicit threat that some members of the list may have libelous information posted about them, are other listmembers not allowed to say anything about it? How are other listmembers supposed to react to that? Say nothing? Threats, even implied ones, tend to get my, and others', ire up. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silence. I am watching television. - Spider Jerusalem ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]007c01c27ece$d058f9d0$6501a8c0@DENDRIITE [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001801c280dc$944c8b40$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Discussions of the writings of science fiction/futurist authors David Brin and Gregory Benford. brin-l.mccmedia.com List-Post: mailto:brin-l;mccmedia.com List-Subscribe: http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l, mailto:brin-l-request;mccmedia.com?subject=subscribe List-Unsubscribe: http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l, mailto:brin-l-request;mccmedia.com?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l List-Help: mailto:brin-l-request;mccmedia.com?subject=help Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: Well, who wrote Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website:? If listmember J uses a website to slam the list, or threatens to do so, with the implicit threat that some members of the list may have libelous information posted about them, are other listmembers not allowed to say anything about it? How are other listmembers supposed to react to that? Say nothing? It's an idea that might perhaps work. It hasn't been tried so far and everything else failed. But males in general, usually aren't very good at that. So I forgive you. ;o) Threats, even implied ones, tend to get my, and others', ire up. So I've noticed. Sonja GCU Restraint ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Some things are too good to last Dan Minette wrote: I hit reply on a post from Sonja, and it went to her instead of the list. That's the first time that's happend to me. Anyway, here it is. [great snippage] I do not see how you can ask someone to have ignored your husbands threats to people's livelihoods. I haven't seen any evidence that he's about to put that sort of negative information up; all he's done this week is indicate displeasure with the list with his .sig. I agree, and that's fair enough. I know that Jeroen's recent responses to me have been much easier to deal with. He has strongly pushed his points, but has kept the conversation on topic. Yes, he has ignored some of my questions, but in my head I just assume that he doesn't have a good answer for those questions right now. I've seen other posters delay answers to certain questions until they are happy with responses. But, Adam brought up an example of a past threat, and I was responding to Sonja's response to that, etc. That threat no longer seems operative, which is very good, but it is a reasonable example of a threat that could not have been ignored. Fair enough. I just prefer not to drag up negative things from the past if it can be avoided. I think that on the basis of this one .sig file change, some people are overreacting. My reaction was at the time was please let this not be the start of a pattern. It doesn't appear to be, Jeroen seems to write lotsa different things in the .sig file. Right. I just took it as momentary frustration (keeping in tone with the rest of the post!) rearing its head, and might have glossed over it altogether if it hadn't been pointed out. Rob, if you're going to point out stuff in Jeroen's .sig file, can you point out the good things, too? I'm liable to miss those, as well. :) If he actually modifies content on his website to reflect this negativity, that's another matter entirely, but he hasn't done a damn thing to it this week as far as I can tell. All he has done is modify his .sig file. Lighten up, guys, would ya? I have no problem with the .sig. However, I didn't respond to Sonja's first comment that the original protest of Gautam, myself, and others was just paranoia because I was willing to let things lie and because I allowed a bit of hyperbola by someone who was subjected to a number of rude emails. (That of course was wrong.) However, after it became a repeated theme for Sonja; I decided to respond. I have no problems with Jeroen put in his sig. I have a significant problem with any credible threat of RL consequences. That is not paranoia. Indeed, my issue is with Sonja's posts, not Jeroen's sigs. I differ with them and thus write a rebuttal. No hard feelings. Indeed, a casual perusal of my posting patterns indicates that I do tend to write rebuttals for posts I differ with, even when they are written by people I like. :-) Yes, you do. Actually, I expected nothing less from you when I hit send. And I'd like to take the opportunity to let you know that I appreciate the cordial tone of your response to me. One thing I find interesting, going over this thread: All responses spawned by that one post of Jeroen's that come through as being part of the thread as threaded by Netscape come either from people in Jeroen's town in The Netherlands, or people who live in Texas within 3 hours' drive of each other. Does this mean anything, or is it coincidental? :) Julia waiting for a response from someone not fitting either geographical category now ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Some things are too good to last Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Some things are too good to last But, Adam brought up an example of a past threat, and I was responding to Sonja's response to that, etc. That threat no longer seems operative, which is very good, but it is a reasonable example of a threat that could not have been ignored. Fair enough. I just prefer not to drag up negative things from the past if it can be avoided. I tend to agree with Dan. There is always potential for unexpected consequences from normal posts (I think JDG will agree here), but when one is angry or somewhat excited when posting those potentials increase. I think that on the basis of this one .sig file change, some people are overreacting. My reaction was at the time was please let this not be the start of a pattern. It doesn't appear to be, Jeroen seems to write lotsa different things in the .sig file. Right. I just took it as momentary frustration (keeping in tone with the rest of the post!) rearing its head, and might have glossed over it altogether if it hadn't been pointed out. Rob, if you're going to point out stuff in Jeroen's .sig file, can you point out the good things, too? I'm liable to miss those, as well. :) I try to do so actually. If you go back and look at posts I have written where I was critical and the post was longer than one or two lines, I usually do try to say something positive. I want people I disagree with to feel that I respect them and value them, and that my criticism is not an attempt to discount them in any way. Having said that, I am sure one could find examples where I did not do so. Me am far from perfect. G If he actually modifies content on his website to reflect this negativity, that's another matter entirely, but he hasn't done a damn thing to it this week as far as I can tell. All he has done is modify his .sig file. Lighten up, guys, would ya? I have no problem with the .sig. However, I didn't respond to Sonja's first comment that the original protest of Gautam, myself, and others was just paranoia because I was willing to let things lie and because I allowed a bit of hyperbola by someone who was subjected to a number of rude emails. (That of course was wrong.) However, after it became a repeated theme for Sonja; I decided to respond. I have no problems with Jeroen put in his sig. I have a significant problem with any credible threat of RL consequences. That is not paranoia. Indeed, my issue is with Sonja's posts, not Jeroen's sigs. I differ with them and thus write a rebuttal. No hard feelings. Indeed, a casual perusal of my posting patterns indicates that I do tend to write rebuttals for posts I differ with, even when they are written by people I like. :-) Yes, you do. Actually, I expected nothing less from you when I hit send. And I'd like to take the opportunity to let you know that I appreciate the cordial tone of your response to me. One thing I find interesting, going over this thread: All responses spawned by that one post of Jeroen's that come through as being part of the thread as threaded by Netscape come either from people in Jeroen's town in The Netherlands, or people who live in Texas within 3 hours' drive of each other. Does this mean anything, or is it coincidental? :) Its coincidental I'm sure, but I noticed it too. Maybe those who are able to deal with Texas summers are less likely to put up with any crap? G xponent Boo Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Some things are too good to last One thing I find interesting, going over this thread: All responses spawned by that one post of Jeroen's that come through as being part of the thread as threaded by Netscape come either from people in Jeroen's town in The Netherlands, or people who live in Texas within 3 hours' drive of each other. Does this mean anything, or is it coincidental? :) Its coincidental I'm sure, but I noticed it too. Maybe those who are able to deal with Texas summers are less likely to put up with any crap? G Or those who have to deal with Texas summers refuse to put up with any *other* crap? :) Commenting on the weather won't do any good. Commenting on anything else has more potential to do any good. Biting one's tongue about the weather may make one more itchy to put in $0.02 on any other subject. (ANY other subject!) Speaking of weather, maybe the Texans were just a little uptight about last week's weather (flash flooding everywhere, nowhere near enough sunshine) and a little touchier as a result? Julia *so* glad not to have been living in Corpus Christi in the past 7 days ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia Thompson wrote: Commenting on the weather won't do any good. Weather? What weather? Doug ¦:^) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I wrote: Haven't even had a good glass of Mead in the past year Maru :-( Jean-Louis replied: Come up north! Mead and cider have made a big comeback in Quebec. Lots of good stuff like, for example, ice cider : apple cider made in the same way as icewine. Oh, we have plenty of mead available in the area. Most good liquor stores around here carry at least Chaucer's Mead and a couple of brands that are made and bottled in Missouri (Missouri has quite a few very good wineries; there's nothing quite like a drive through Missouri wine country in the fall). I just don't drink very often, and one place I always get a good glass of mead or three is the Kansas City Renaissance Festival, which my wife and I did not get a chance to attend this year (last year we went four or five time). But thanks for the info, I'd love to visit Quebec! Reggie Bautista _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 10:45 AM 10/29/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Alberto Monteiro wrote: William Taylor wrote: P.S. A single female on our list should dress up as a large biologist/gardener alien in a tasteful pink dress with matching pillbox hat. Let's see how long it takes someone to figure out that she's dressed as a Jackie-O-Linten. No, no, no. The men and women in the list should act in an assertive way, showing that we abhor terrorism and those that support it. So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink alchoholic beverages during Halloween. I'd say I'll drink to that, but by the above, I ought not be drinking, but rather getting naked. :) One may well lead to the other . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William wrote: P.S. A single female on our list should dress up as a large biologist/gardener alien in a tasteful pink dress with matching pillbox hat. Let's see how long it takes someone to figure out that she's dressed as a Jackie-O-Linten. Alberto replied: No, no, no. The men and women in the list should act in an assertive way, showing that we abhor terrorism and those that support it. So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink alchoholic beverages during Halloween. Julia responded: I'd say I'll drink to that, but by the above, I ought not be drinking, but rather getting naked. :) Ronn observed: One may well lead to the other . . . Old Rita Rudner joke: I think it's funny that they're putting warning labels on alchohol saying that it's dangerous to drink alchohol while pregnant because without alchohol, most women wouldn't be that way. Reggie Bautista _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Reggie Bautista wrote: Jean-Louis replied: I suggest drinking Halloween floats : 1 part blond beer (eg. lager) with orange coloring 1 part Guinness which should float on the lager! Irish bars here in KC (and presumably elsewhere) call this either a half-and-half (if the bottom half is Harp) or a Black and Tan (if the bottom half is Bass). Ahh, the memories! A pint-sized half-and-half in my right hand, a double-shot of Bushmills Special Reserve in my left hand, and a bar full of drunks singing Irish drinking songs along with Eddie Delahunt... Those were *really* the days :-) Reggie Bautista Haven't even had a good glass of Mead in the past year Maru :-( This reminds me of a Halloween ride in 1990: for our pre-ride brunch we had mead, coffee with Bailey's, and mimosas (orange juice champagne) - with assorted quiches/muffins/fruit to dilute the alcohol! - then set off for the lake. I was one of several to 'kiss the dirt' as none of the horses had participated in a costumed event before (no one was hurt as we were, ahem, 'well-lubricated'), but the real problem came later, when I was holding the reins for another woman to re-mount. Her mare spooked violently at her flapping cape (the scary mask probably didn't help either :P ), reared and leaped into the lake; not having sense enough to drop the reins, I wound up _under_ Magnolia, and finally let go of them when a pastern (the joint right above the hoof) smacked my forehead. [I didn't see it of course, but a steel-shod hoof would have at least cracked my soused head; those on shore said she appeared to stumble before she leaped out of the water - I think she sensed that I was under her and jumped over me...] What's that saying about watching over fools and idiots? shudder I haven't ridden, driven or operated any equipment whatsoever with more than a half-glass of wine on-board since. There But For The Grace Of God Go I Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jean-Louis replied: I suggest drinking Halloween floats : 1 part blond beer (eg. lager) with orange coloring 1 part Guinness which should float on the lager! Irish bars here in KC (and presumably elsewhere) call this either a half-and-half (if the bottom half is Harp) or a Black and Tan (if the bottom half is Bass). Ahh, the memories! A pint-sized half-and-half in my right hand, a double-shot of Bushmills Special Reserve in my left hand, and a bar full of drunks singing Irish drinking songs along with Eddie Delahunt... Those were *really* the days :-) Reggie Bautista Haven't even had a good glass of Mead in the past year Maru :-( _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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__ Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com I suppose it was only to be expected. rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 10/28/2002 3:10:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com I suppose it was only to be expected. rob You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi are selling obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are painting themselves green and posing as Christmas trees only to sneek out of the house after having been decorated? William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Steve Sloan II wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi are selling obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are painting themselves green and posing as Christmas trees only to sneek out of the house after having been decorated? Kanten are walking up to broccolli-hating George Bush Sr. and yelling boo? ;-) Actually, his problem was with *eating* broccoli, not with broccoli per se. So Kanten might be more comfortable around him for *that* reason. Me, I *love* eating broccoli. :) Mebbe we should all go dress up as Kanten on Halloween and find George H. W. Bush. :) :) (Oh, and Barbara Bush's response to the whole broccoli thing was something along the lines of, Any man who eats pork rinds can't be all good. I loved that response.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 10/28/2002 4:32:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi are selling obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are painting themselves green and posing as Christmas trees only to sneek out of the house after having been decorated? Kanten are walking up to broccolli-hating George Bush Sr. and yelling boo? ;-) And an insectoid race is running about with sun lamps? They can do, the Tandu, the tan due to you. William Taylor - The USPS printed a huge error on their stamps a few years ago. Because of a rate increase, for the first time ever, Daffy Duck had more cents that Bugs Bunny. (Yea, it does work better verbaly.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 10/28/2002 4:48:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mebbe we should all go dress up as Kanten on Halloween and find George H. W. Bush. :) :) Not all. If you all dress as Kanten, I'll go as a can of cheese sauce. William Taylor What's a jewish street punk at Christmas time? A rebel without a Claus. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William Taylor wrote: P.S. A single female on our list should dress up as a large biologist/gardener alien in a tasteful pink dress with matching pillbox hat. Let's see how long it takes someone to figure out that she's dressed as a Jackie-O-Linten. No, no, no. The men and women in the list should act in an assertive way, showing that we abhor terrorism and those that support it. So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink alchoholic beverages during Halloween. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 10/28/2002 5:56:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie-O-Linten. No, no, no. The men and women in the list should act in an assertive way, showing that we abhor terrorism and those that support it. So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink alchoholic beverages during Halloween. Jackie O was a terrorist? Oh well. Have some Madera, m' dear It comes from an excellent year (Flanders Swann) William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto wrote... So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink alchoholic beverages during Halloween. Dude! If that's Halloween in your country, I think I need to celebrate Halloween there! Gary From painfully conservative Delaware Ohio ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Gary Nunn wrote: So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink alchoholic beverages during Halloween. Dude! If that's Halloween in your country, I think I need to celebrate Halloween there! Of course not! What do you think we are? We are a _Christian_ country! We don't celebrate Halloween, a Satanist holyday. This is the way we celebrate Carnival! Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Julia wrote: Steve Sloan II wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi are selling obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are painting themselves green and posing as Christmas trees only to sneek out of the house after having been decorated? Kanten are walking up to broccolli-hating George Bush Sr. and yelling boo? ;-) Actually, his problem was with *eating* broccoli, not with broccoli per se. So Kanten might be more comfortable around him for *that* reason. Me, I *love* eating broccoli. :) Mebbe we should all go dress up as Kanten on Halloween and find George H. W. Bush. :) :) (Oh, and Barbara Bush's response to the whole broccoli thing was something along the lines of, Any man who eats pork rinds can't be all good. I loved that response.) A meal with food for the heart (broccoli) _and_ the soul (pork rinds)?! Preceded by an appetizer of good humor...mmmMMMm. :) VFP Chitlins __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Rob wrote: http://www.Brin-L.com I suppose it was only to be expected. I'm of two minds about that. Yes, Jeroen sometimes doesn't know when to quit, and he's the architect of some of his difficulties. But he does seem to get more than his fair share of the business over it, and despite my own feelings on his apparent need to police certain people's behavior, it does look like a dogpile. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
