RE: The powers of cats

2010-11-12 Thread Jeroen van Baardwijk
Could it bet that your cat is trying to tell you something?   :-)

Just asking...

Jeroen van Baardwijk

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David Hobby
Verzonden: donderdag 11 november 2010 13:30
Aan: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Onderwerp: The powers of cats

On a completely different note, but I felt like
sharing it:

One of my cats performed a successful internet
search.  I'd left the browser open, with iGoogle
up.  The cat's contribution was apparently typing
0222, a bit of mouse movement, and a click or an
enter.

What I woke up to was GoogleMaps, showing a local
hair salon with a phone number ending in 0222.
It could be that cats are not getting smarter, but
Google is.


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The powers of cats

2010-11-11 Thread David Hobby

On a completely different note, but I felt like
sharing it:

One of my cats performed a successful internet
search.  I'd left the browser open, with iGoogle
up.  The cat's contribution was apparently typing
0222, a bit of mouse movement, and a click or an
enter.

What I woke up to was GoogleMaps, showing a local
hair salon with a phone number ending in 0222.
It could be that cats are not getting smarter, but
Google is.

---David

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Re: The powers of cats

2010-11-11 Thread Alberto Monteiro
David Hobby wrote:

 On a completely different note, but I felt like
 sharing it:
 
 One of my cats performed a successful internet
 search.  I'd left the browser open, with iGoogle
 up.  The cat's contribution was apparently typing
 0222, a bit of mouse movement, and a click or an
 enter.
 
 What I woke up to was GoogleMaps, showing a local
 hair salon with a phone number ending in 0222.
 It could be that cats are not getting smarter, but
 Google is.
 
Is is beyond the intelligence level of cats to
understand that it's possible to use the mouse and
see interesting things in the screen?

On a different note, do cats see computer screens the
same way we do?

Alberto Monteiro


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Re: The powers of cats

2010-11-11 Thread David Hobby

Alberto Monteiro wrote:
...

Is is beyond the intelligence level of cats to
understand that it's possible to use the mouse and
see interesting things in the screen?

On a different note, do cats see computer screens the
same way we do?


I've seen videos of cats treating TVs as boxes
with stuff inside, trying to catch things that
were on screen.  But my cats don't do that.  Their
attitude seems to be that this is just one more
silly thing that two-legs do, spending their time
looking at pictures.

I have the mouse at the side of the monitor, so they
may well have never noticed the connection.

---David

It's not about intelligence, it's about motivation.

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Re: The powers of cats

2010-11-11 Thread Bruce Bostwick

On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:05 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:


Is is beyond the intelligence level of cats to
understand that it's possible to use the mouse and
see interesting things in the screen?


Given the things I've seen cats learn to do, and in some cases, figure  
out on their own, especially from imitating human behavior, it  
wouldn't surprise me.  I think just moving the mouse cursor wouldn't  
be enough of a reward to set up the feedback loop, for a cat, but if  
there were some noticeable and visually interesting reaction to mouse  
movement or clicking the mouse button, yes, the cat would probably  
start exploring it and trying to figure it out, and at some point,  
might just start randomly experimenting with the mouse and/or keyboard.



On a different note, do cats see computer screens the
same way we do?


I've seen both cats and dogs react to images on TV and computer  
screens as real objects.  I've seen a cat try to pounce on a mouse  
cursor on a computer screen, and i know of one dog who reacts very  
strongly to images of unfamiliar dogs on a TV screen (which for  
various reasons would be less likely to look real to either a cat or  
dog than a computer screen, particularly older CRT types).  So this,  
at least, I can vouch for.


(There are also quite a few videos now of cats playing with iPad  
touchscreens, particuarly if there's a game running that responds in  
visually interesting ways to the touchscreen input, on YouTube.  As  
well as one of a cat investigating how a toilet works by repeatedly  
flushing it and watching the water in the bowl..)


I don't believe there's a power in the 'verse can stop Kaylee from  
bein' cheerful. Sometimes you just wanna duct-tape her mouth and dump  
her in the hold for a month. -- Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity



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