Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
In a message dated 7/21/2005 11:12:35 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Orson Scott Card is notorious for using his fans to remember and correct details Well, they messed up giving Columbus a telescope. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Maru Dubshinki wrote: Why don't you guys just ask Brin about all these niggling lil' details? This is his list, and it's not like he's dead. Because He usually replies: "I don't know, you are the experts in those presky details" or something like that :-P Several of my favorite authors are that way. Orson Scott Card is notorious for using his fans to remember and correct details. Terry Pratchett is notorious for not remembering previous details and contradicting. I loved his approach to it, because he spent an entire novel (Thief of Time) explaining that the contradictions are just a part of the "reality". -- --Max Battcher-- http://www.worldmaker.net/ Support Open/Free Mythoi: Read the manifesto @ mythoi.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Maru Dubshinki wrote: Why don't you guys just ask Brin about all these niggling lil' details? This is his list, and it's not like he's dead. Because He usually replies: "I don't know, you are the experts in those presky details" or something like that :-P We are His Legions of Terror. We do the dirty job of polishing the details. I have this vision of marauders in leather armor (kind of like the pillagers in Capital One commercials, for those of you familiar with those) very carefully polishing large bronze decorative things Thank you for the image, Alberto. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
Maru Dubshinki wrote: > > Why don't you guys just ask Brin about all these niggling lil' > details? This is his list, and it's not like he's dead. > Because He usually replies: "I don't know, you are the experts in those presky details" or something like that :-P We are His Legions of Terror. We do the dirty job of polishing the details. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
Trent Shipley wrote: > > Tymbrimi-Thennanin treaty?? > IIRC [because my UW turned to dust as if it were a vampire], Uthacalthing was seducing Kault for a Ty-The treaty, selling the Garthlings even if they didn't exist. The Ty-The treaty would precede any Earth-The treaty, that could only be signed after the Thennanin fleet arrived on Garth Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
At 11:16 PM Tuesday 7/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/19/2005 8:47:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But, and this is the Gawds honest truth, we know more about the dating than > he does. > > Vilyehm /boggles. Dr. Brin is not a bible thumper. But not in the curses by William T. Goodall sense of the word. >From Sundiver to Startide Rising to Uplift War to the Uplift Storm trilogy, when Brin writes something new, he does not have a card file, computer file, or 'bible' of previously stated facts. Heck, the most famous twist/mistake is in Heaven's Reach where the alien has two arms in one chapter and four arms in a later chapter. He just received some information between the two chapters. As they say, fore-warned is four-armed . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
In a message dated 7/19/2005 8:47:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But, and this is the Gawds honest truth, we know more about the dating than > he does. > > Vilyehm /boggles. Dr. Brin is not a bible thumper. But not in the curses by William T. Goodall sense of the word. >From Sundiver to Startide Rising to Uplift War to the Uplift Storm trilogy, when Brin writes something new, he does not have a card file, computer file, or 'bible' of previously stated facts. Heck, the most famous twist/mistake is in Heaven's Reach where the alien has two arms in one chapter and four arms in a later chapter. Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
On 7/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In a message dated 7/19/2005 8:28:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Why don't you guys just ask Brin about all these niggling lil' > details? This is his list, and it's not like he's dead. > > > > But, and this is the Gawds honest truth, we know more about the dating than > he does. > > Vilyehm /boggles. ~Maru heh, 'boggles'. Wonder if that's actually a word. Later... Hmm. Did you know that the OED says that Boggle was originally derived from a wraith that a horse sees and is spooked by, and the use of boggle as a synonym for incredulity, astonishment etc. is very recent? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
In a message dated 7/19/2005 8:28:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why don't you guys just ask Brin about all these niggling lil' details? This is his list, and it's not like he's dead. But, and this is the Gawds honest truth, we know more about the dating than he does. Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
Perhaps I've missed something rather obvious, but... Why don't you guys just ask Brin about all these niggling lil' details? This is his list, and it's not like he's dead. ~Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
In a message dated 7/19/2005 3:25:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tymbrimi-Thennanin treaty?? Cuz it was in Uplift War. Ambassador to ambassador, if nothing else. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
On Monday 2005-07-18 18:17, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Vilyehm wrote: > >> there is a strong possibility that UW Chapter 81 takes place in > >> 2489-November. > > > > That would make things easier. The first of the Thennanin fleet arriving > > December 2489 > > Hmmm... No, because the Tymbrimi-Thennanin treaty would > take place some time after that. > > Alberto Monteiro Tymbrimi-Thennanin treaty?? Why would a Terragen-Thennanin treaty and alliance imply a Tymbrimi-Thennanin treaty? Perhaps a series of memoranda of understanding concerning Terragen relations? That would be a minimal approach to cooperation where it would be strictly necessary. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
In a message dated 7/19/2005 1:17:51 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That would make things easier. The first of the Thennanin fleet arriving > December 2489 > Hmmm... No, because the Tymbrimi-Thennanin treaty would take place some time after that. A fleet would start heading to Earth the day after the Uplift Ceremony, treaty or not. Everyone viewed that hyperspace shunt. Give me some slack here. Nothing more than a laughing Thennanin should have set the Eatees running. If you want it later in the year, then I can't have the gargoyle jumping out of the cold night's mist. Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
Vilyehm wrote: > >> there is a strong possibility that UW Chapter 81 takes place in >> 2489-November. > > That would make things easier. The first of the Thennanin fleet arriving > December 2489 > Hmmm... No, because the Tymbrimi-Thennanin treaty would take place some time after that. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
In a message dated 7/17/2005 2:58:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [BTW: what crappy mailer did you use? It's almost impossible to know what was written by me and your replies :-/] AOL, of course. Still free. No charge. Still brought to me by Compaq, as proudly proclaimed on the sign-on screen. For four years now. >>>there is a strong possibility that UW Chapter 81 takes place in 2489-November. That would make things easier. The first of the Thennanin fleet arriving December 2489 The two and a half year siege could then be continuous after the Thennanin arrive. Sounds good to me. Now, how to get the Gubru on that first Thennanin ship. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
Vilyehm wrote: [BTW: what crappy mailer did you use? It's almost impossible to know what was written by me and your replies :-/] > 2490 December. Thennanin fleet arrives Sol System. Siege lifted as enemies > 'bug out' until they know the new score. > > 2491 January. Uplift Respite. Krondesfire purchased from Synthian scrap > dealer. Sealed up for security reasons. Put in storage until it can safely > be transported to Earth. > > 2491 February. Siege renewed. > I am working on those _months_. I would make things a little earlier, because there is a strong possibility that UW Chapter 81 takes place in 2489-November. Also, I would place Gilliam's notes in Part 4 of IS close to 2491-11-01. And, due to the mysticism of the Acolytes, the "sacrifice" of Rety in HR should be in 2492-Easter. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
In a message dated 7/17/2005 6:52:49 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vilyehm asked: > > What number galaxy is it for: > > Kithrup > Gubru home planet > Synthian home planet > Thennanin home planet > Information not available. Then it'll be fun to have one from each. What was called Wazoon Two-step is now titled Uplift Respite, as a Gubru joke now turns deadly serious. > Now, Streaker is gone for three years. The siege of Earth was a little over > two years. > That's possible. I still don't have a fix on its date. Directly from the last chapters of Heaven's Reach. > When did the Thennanin arrive, and would it be logical that there was a > short lifting of the siege? > I don't know the dynamics of hyperspace sieges :-) Then I'll do the same as the good Dr. Brin. Just make it up and use it cuz it fits. > Dates? I seem to get two different dates from looking in two different > places on the web. > The Web has wrong information, based on wrong dates from the 1st edition of GURPS Uplift. The 2nd edition and the Contacting Aliens book have more accurate dates. So I'll insert as needed here: FWIW: 2192: Bureaucracy Ends 2212: Contact with the Tymbrimi 2246: Sundiver incident [*] 2489: Streaker in Kithrup and invasion of Garth [**] 2490: Gubru expelled from Garth [***] 2490 December. Thennanin fleet arrives Sol System. Siege lifted as enemies 'bug out' until they know the new score. 2491 January. Uplift Respite. Krondesfire purchased from Synthian scrap dealer. Sealed up for security reasons. Put in storage until it can safely be transported to Earth. 2491 February. Siege renewed. 2491 or 2492: Streaker in Jijo 2492: Streaker comes back to Earth and then... 2493 Alvin's end tale. 2493 + one day. Alvin gets his first royalty check for his book. And by pure conjecture based upon Brin going. "@#%^#$ How'd you guess?" 2494 Early Siege of Earth lifted for very obvious reasons. 2494 Krondesfire comes to LaPaz. Gillian sees first physical proof that Tom made it off of Kithrup. And after that, who knows? Four years. Brin is going to have to figure out how to keep the skiff from being seen for at least four years. Of couse, I kept on updating things, I could just point you to... http://www.geocities.com/albmont/brin.htm ... but that timeline is horribly wrong. Which I looked at. Alberto Monteiro [*] explicit year mentioned in the book!] [**] most references get it wrong, ignoring the fact that while Uplift War lasts about 1 year, Startide Rising takes about a month [the core action, from Chapter 1 to Chapter 124, lasts even less], and is almost completely located inside UW [***] probably Good enough for me. Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
Vilyehm asked: > > What number galaxy is it for: > > Kithrup > Gubru home planet > Synthian home planet > Thennanin home planet > Information not available. > Now, Streaker is gone for three years. The siege of Earth was a little over > two years. > That's possible. I still don't have a fix on its date. > When did the Thennanin arrive, and would it be logical that there was a > short lifting of the siege? > I don't know the dynamics of hyperspace sieges :-) > Dates? I seem to get two different dates from looking in two different > places on the web. > The Web has wrong information, based on wrong dates from the 1st edition of GURPS Uplift. The 2nd edition and the Contacting Aliens book have more accurate dates. FWIW: 2192: Bureaucracy Ends 2212: Contact with the Tymbrimi 2246: Sundiver incident [*] 2489: Streaker in Kithrup and invasion of Garth [**] 2490: Gubru expelled from Garth [***] 2491 or 2492: Streaker in Jijo 2492: Streaker comes back to Earth Of couse, I kept on updating things, I could just point you to... http://www.geocities.com/albmont/brin.htm ... but that timeline is horribly wrong. Alberto Monteiro [*] explicit year mentioned in the book!] [**] most references get it wrong, ignoring the fact that while Uplift War lasts about 1 year, Startide Rising takes about a month [the core action, from Chapter 1 to Chapter 124, lasts even less], and is almost completely located inside UW [***] probably ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Uplift locations and dates. Hey, Alberto?
What number galaxy is it for: Kithrup Gubru home planet Synthian home planet Thennanin home planet Garth is Galaxy Two. None of our early colony planets should be in a different galaxy It'd be fun if all four galaxies are covered. Now, Streaker is gone for three years. The siege of Earth was a little over two years. When did the Thennanin arrive, and would it be logical that there was a short lifting of the siege? Dates? I seem to get two different dates from looking in two different places on the web. Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
