Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

2016-12-12 Thread Mart Rootamm 
I agree with Daniel Quintiliani upthread.

In addition,
There are many computers with UEFI and some machines with Windows, that
won't allow installation or running of alternative (aka non-Windows)
operating systems.

Some machines are tablet computers, where changing the default OS is more
difficult, and which internal hardware is specific enough, that drivers for
free operating systems are non-existent.

Suppose the UEFI BIOS is password-protected by the employer, for example,
making it impossible to run an alternative OS from removable media, while
the employee is permitted to run FOSS software on said PC.

Other people who have purchased computers, might not remove the
pre-installed operating system; since a proprietary OS is present, and
that's considered part of the purchase price. A proprietary system is often
required to be present for study—in order to support friends, family, and
potential customers.

For yet others, changing the default operating system is a lot of work.
Repartitioning a main storage to install an alternative operating system
does entail risk; especially for people who are not experienced with that.

Several manufacturers have chosen not to support computers where the main
OS is not Windows.

Yet other people want a Free Software Gecko-based browser for general
browsing, hoping to get funtionality that's not present in Firefox anymore.
Lack of a Windows version thus reduces exposure.

btw, I just discovered in GMail, that if I click on the main field of
e-mail recipients, I can drag and drop recipients from CC and BCC fields to
the To: field. Convenient.

-M.

2016-12-13 3:39 GMT+02:00 Gary Driggs :

> Tails is pretty easy to use; https://tails.boum.org/
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Daniel Quintiliani  wrote:
>
> Seems like a lot of work and reading material for a Windows user who just
> wants to browse the web and not have to worry about corporate and
> government spooks. Plus there's the risk M$ is tampering with the virtual
> machine client, remember you still have UEFI too so it's possible.
>
> --
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:13:49 +0100, Narcis Garcia 
> wrote:
>
> In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
>
> 1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
>
> 2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
>
> 3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web
>
>
> Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
>
> viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.
>
>
> Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications behaviour.
>
>
>
> El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>
> You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford
> cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack
> technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree
> browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have
> two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I
> need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute
> for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM
> machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM
> and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
>
>
> --
>
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia 
> wrote:
>
>
> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
>
> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
>
>
>
> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>
> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a
> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use
> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
>
>
> --
>
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn 
> wrote:
>
>
> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>
> launches the said browser.
>
>
> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
>
> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
>
> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
>
> explorer (has well has others functions)
>
>
>
> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>
> Good luck
>
>
> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I
> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set
> IceCat as a default browser?
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> Btw. I found this http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-
> default-browser-in-windows-8-x , but I don't know, whether is this
> functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
>
>
> --
>
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

2016-12-12 Thread Gary Driggs 
Tails is pretty easy to use; https://tails.boum.org/


> On Dec 12, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Daniel Quintiliani  wrote:
> 
> Seems like a lot of work and reading material for a Windows user who just 
> wants to browse the web and not have to worry about corporate and government 
> spooks. Plus there's the risk M$ is tampering with the virtual machine 
> client, remember you still have UEFI too so it's possible.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:13:49 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
>> 1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
>> 2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
>> 3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web
>> 
>> Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
>> viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.
>> 
>> Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications behaviour.
>> 
>> 
>> El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>>> You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
>>> cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
>>> technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
>>> browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have 
>>> two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I 
>>> need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute 
>>> for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM 
>>> machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM 
>>> and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> -Dan Q
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
 wrote:
 
 "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
 I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
 
 
 El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>> launches the said browser.
>> 
>> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
>> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
>> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
>> explorer (has well has others functions)
>> 
>> 
>> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>> Good luck
>> 
>> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
>>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
>>> IceCat as a default browser?
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> 
>>> Btw. I found this 
>>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
>>>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>> 
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
 
 --
 http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

2016-12-12 Thread Daniel Quintiliani 
Seems like a lot of work and reading material for a Windows user who just wants 
to browse the web and not have to worry about corporate and government spooks. 
Plus there's the risk M$ is tampering with the virtual machine client, remember 
you still have UEFI too so it's possible.

--

-Dan Q


On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:13:49 +0100, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
> 1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
> 2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
> 3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web
> 
> Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
> viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.
> 
> Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications behaviour.
> 
> 
> El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
> > cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
> > technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
> > browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have 
> > two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I 
> > need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute 
> > for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM 
> > machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM 
> > and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> >> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> >>
> >>
> >> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >>> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
> >>> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
> >>> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> -Dan Q
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>  launches the said browser.
> 
>  Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
>  uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
>  windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
>  explorer (has well has others functions)
> 
> 
>  Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>  Good luck
> 
>  Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> > I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
> > can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
> > IceCat as a default browser?
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Btw. I found this 
> > http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
> >  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
>  --
>  http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

2016-12-12 Thread Narcis Garcia 
In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web

Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.

Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications
behaviour, and to spy your activity and traffic at application level.


El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
> cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
> technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
> browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have two 
> computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I need 
> the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute for a 
> television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine 
> for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and 
> privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
> wrote:
> 
>> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
>> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
>>
>>
>> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>>> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
>>> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
>>> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Dan Q
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn  wrote:
>>>
 If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
 launches the said browser.

 Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
 uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
 windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
 explorer (has well has others functions)


 Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
 Good luck

 Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
> IceCat as a default browser?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Btw. I found this 
> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
>
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>
 --
 http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>>
>>
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 

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