Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Emoji in IceCat

[Felix Fröhlich]

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Hi David,

No, the issue is not reproducible on the firefox-esr package I got on
Debian 9 (Firefox ESR 52.7.3 64-bit). There, it displays all emoji with
the EmojiOne Mozilla font, which seems to be provided by Firefox
itself.

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Felix Fröhlich
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On Sat, 2018-04-21 at 08:09 +0200, David Hedlund wrote:
> 
> On 2018-04-21 02:29, Felix Fröhlich wrote:
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> > 
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > As Mart wrote in his reply, my initial issue has been resolved.
> 
> Can you reproduce this issue in the upstream Firefox ESR version?
> Once 
> you have verified that you'll be able to let us know if this is a bug
> in 
> IceCat or not. Can you please do that to help us?
> 
> > 
> > I'm not sure, though, if creating a bug report for this would be
> > appropriate, as IIRC emoji have been a problem in terms of
> > displaying
> > them ever since I installed IceCat (both the downloads from
> > gnu.org/s/gnuzilla and Guix).
> > 
> > Working around the issue at hand is quite easy once you're aware of
> > the
> > about:config options and are not afraid to use it. For me, it
> > wasn't a
> > problem once I got the know-how from Mart, but it may confuse
> > "normal"
> > users who most likely expect emoji to work out-of-the-box.
> > 
> > However, that's just my two cents, so feel free to ignore it.
> > 
> > - -- 
> > Felix Fröhlich
> > GnuPG: AC26CC3F517BA1794743512E32E7A8DAB442426F
> > 
> > On Fri, 2018-04-20 at 21:19 +0200, David Hedlund wrote:
> > > Mart, is this "Emoji in IceCat" issue a bug or not?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 2018-04-20 19:51, Mart Rootamm wrote:
> > > > Felix,
> > > > There are additional font size settings in about:config, if you
> > > > search
> > > > there just with 'font'.
> > > > 
> > > > The about:config solution is one, though in some operating
> > > > systems,
> > > > browsers typically default to the closest possible match, if
> > > > they
> > > > rely
> > > > on the OS to match missing characters, thus precluding the trip
> > > > to
> > > > about:config.
> > > > 
> > > > wrt font size, can you send a screenshot of what the Noto emoji
> > > > look
> > > > like for you with text?
> > > > For example, both in a plain Wikipedia article, and in a
> > > > textarea
> > > > (editing an article).
> > > > 
> > > > wrt to replies, then I originally sent a reply both to bug-
> > > > gnuzilla,
> > > > and a carbon copy to you. On assumption, that you've subscribed
> > > > anyway, then I won't :cc you.
> > > > 
> > > > -M.
> > > > 
> > > > 2018-04-20 0:52 GMT +03:00, Felix Fröhlich  > > > vey.
> > > > de>:
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> > > > > 
> > > > > Whoops. Apparently that email didn't include the previous
> > > > > reply I
> > > > > sent
> > > > > to Mart. Here you go:
> > > > > 
> > > > >   Hi Mart,
> > > > > 
> > > > >   Great! Thanks for the advice.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   I added the Noto Color Emoji font to the following
> > > > > about:config
> > > > >   settings:
> > > > > 
> > > > >    * font.name.monospace.x-unicode
> > > > >    * font.name.sans-serif.x-unicode
> > > > >    * font.name.serif.x-unicode
> > > > > 
> > > > >   Now the Emoji actually do show up. They're way too big,
> > > > > though ^^
> > > > > 
> > > > >   I'll play around with the font settings and see if I
> > > > > can
> > > > > manage
> > > > >   this; Maybe I'll have to use a different font.
> > > > > 
> > > > > - --
> > > > > Felix Fröhlich
> > > > > GnuPG: AC26CC3F517BA1794743512E32E7A8DAB442426F
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, 2018-04-19 at 23:33 +0200, Felix Fröhlich wrote:
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, erm, that was... not optimal. I wrote the mail to Mart
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > bug-
> > > > > > gnuz
> > > > > > i...@lists.gnu.org because for some reason I believed that
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > correct email address... Please don't ask me why.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Anyhow, with Mart's help I figured out how to display the
> > > > > > emoji
> > > > > > (see
> > > > > > below).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I also found out that -- for some reason I don't know --
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Noto
> > > > > > Color
> > > > > > Emoji font on my system appears to be corrupted, as the
> > > > > > font
> > > > > > shows up
> > > > > > as what looks like a rounded square in gnome-font-viewer
> > > > > > (see
> > > > > > attachment). Not sure what causes this, but I fell back to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > uncoloured version of that font, namely Noto Emoji. It's no
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > deal,
> > > > > > really.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now all emoji that I wanted to display show up just fine.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks again for your help, Mart!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Emoji in IceCat

[David Hedlund]

Can you please report this to 
https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=gnuzilla ?



On 2018-04-21 08:00, Mart Rootamm wrote:

The color emoji are too large.

When using Android, the color emoji are typically much bigger than the
rest of the text, which I have always thought to be a feature in order
to increase the visibility of any (color) emoji, and not a bug.

In computers that still have Windows xp, I've installed Symbola as the
go-to font for emoji. There, Firefox did not require about:config
tweaks, but the old SeaMonkey 1.1 did.

License change issue with Symbola and other fonts by George Douros.

Symbola and many other fonts are available at below link:
http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/

But I've just discovered, that George Douros has changed the license
of the fonts between 29 January 2018, and 7 March 2018.

The Internet Archive snapshot on 29 January 2018 says:
"In lieu of a licence; fonts and documents in this site are free for any use;"
This includes Symbola 10.23 and many other fonts by Douros.
Source:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180129230141/http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/

The next snapshot from 7 March 2018 says this:
"Free use of the software on this site is strictly limited to
personal, non-commercial use;"
Involves Symbola 10.24 and many other fonts.
Source:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180307012615/http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/

It should be possible to narrow down the date span of the change with
other web archive services.

Word should be spread, that fonts by George Douros are no longer free
in the spirit of GNU.

-Mart.

2018-04-21 3:22 GMT +03:00, Felix Fröhlich :

Hi Matt,

As for the Noto Emoji font, everything's a-okay. They show up in the
size of the surrounding text, and even though they're not coloured
(because they're not coloured in the font, either), they work just as
you'd expect emoji to work.

When using the Noto Color Emoji font, however, it produces results as
shown in the pictures attached. As you may notice, they are WAY
oversized for the area they're supposed to be displayed in. The first
attachment (emoji-regular.png) shows the emoji as they show up on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Emoji_(Unicode_block). The
second one (emoji-textarea.png) shows the emoji when used in a text
area. The emoji was pasted in line 7 as last character on the line.

As I said, though, I am pretty sure the oversized display is due to my
installation of the font (or the font in general?) being corrupted or
unusable, not a bug in IceCat.

With regard to the replies: Yes, I am subscribed to the list, so
there's no need to CC me :)

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Felix Fröhlich
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On Fri, 2018-04-20 at 20:51 +0300, Mart Rootamm wrote:

Felix,
There are additional font size settings in about:config, if you
search
there just with 'font'.

The about:config solution is one, though in some operating systems,
browsers typically default to the closest possible match, if they
rely
on the OS to match missing characters, thus precluding the trip to
about:config.

wrt font size, can you send a screenshot of what the Noto emoji look
like for you with text?
For example, both in a plain Wikipedia article, and in a textarea
(editing an article).

wrt to replies, then I originally sent a reply both to bug-gnuzilla,
and a carbon copy to you. On assumption, that you've subscribed
anyway, then I won't :cc you.

-M.

2018-04-20 0:52 GMT +03:00, Felix Fröhlich 

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Emoji in IceCat

[David Hedlund]

On 2018-04-21 02:29, Felix Fröhlich wrote:

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Hi David,

As Mart wrote in his reply, my initial issue has been resolved.


Can you reproduce this issue in the upstream Firefox ESR version? Once 
you have verified that you'll be able to let us know if this is a bug in 
IceCat or not. Can you please do that to help us?




I'm not sure, though, if creating a bug report for this would be
appropriate, as IIRC emoji have been a problem in terms of displaying
them ever since I installed IceCat (both the downloads from
gnu.org/s/gnuzilla and Guix).

Working around the issue at hand is quite easy once you're aware of the
about:config options and are not afraid to use it. For me, it wasn't a
problem once I got the know-how from Mart, but it may confuse "normal"
users who most likely expect emoji to work out-of-the-box.

However, that's just my two cents, so feel free to ignore it.

- -- 
Felix Fröhlich

GnuPG: AC26CC3F517BA1794743512E32E7A8DAB442426F

On Fri, 2018-04-20 at 21:19 +0200, David Hedlund wrote:

Mart, is this "Emoji in IceCat" issue a bug or not?


On 2018-04-20 19:51, Mart Rootamm wrote:

Felix,
There are additional font size settings in about:config, if you
search
there just with 'font'.

The about:config solution is one, though in some operating systems,
browsers typically default to the closest possible match, if they
rely
on the OS to match missing characters, thus precluding the trip to
about:config.

wrt font size, can you send a screenshot of what the Noto emoji
look
like for you with text?
For example, both in a plain Wikipedia article, and in a textarea
(editing an article).

wrt to replies, then I originally sent a reply both to bug-
gnuzilla,
and a carbon copy to you. On assumption, that you've subscribed
anyway, then I won't :cc you.

-M.

2018-04-20 0:52 GMT +03:00, Felix Fröhlich :

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Whoops. Apparently that email didn't include the previous reply I
sent
to Mart. Here you go:

  Hi Mart,

  Great! Thanks for the advice.

  I added the Noto Color Emoji font to the following
about:config
  settings:

   * font.name.monospace.x-unicode
   * font.name.sans-serif.x-unicode
   * font.name.serif.x-unicode

  Now the Emoji actually do show up. They're way too big,
though ^^

  I'll play around with the font settings and see if I can
manage
  this; Maybe I'll have to use a different font.

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Felix Fröhlich
GnuPG: AC26CC3F517BA1794743512E32E7A8DAB442426F

On Thu, 2018-04-19 at 23:33 +0200, Felix Fröhlich wrote:

Hi all,

So, erm, that was... not optimal. I wrote the mail to Mart and
bug-
gnuz
i...@lists.gnu.org because for some reason I believed that was
the
correct email address... Please don't ask me why.

Anyhow, with Mart's help I figured out how to display the emoji
(see
below).

I also found out that -- for some reason I don't know -- the
Noto
Color
Emoji font on my system appears to be corrupted, as the font
shows up
as what looks like a rounded square in gnome-font-viewer (see
attachment). Not sure what causes this, but I fell back to the
uncoloured version of that font, namely Noto Emoji. It's no big
deal,
really.

Now all emoji that I wanted to display show up just fine.

Thanks again for your help, Mart!

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Emoji in IceCat

[Mart Rootamm]

The color emoji are too large.

When using Android, the color emoji are typically much bigger than the
rest of the text, which I have always thought to be a feature in order
to increase the visibility of any (color) emoji, and not a bug.

In computers that still have Windows xp, I've installed Symbola as the
go-to font for emoji. There, Firefox did not require about:config
tweaks, but the old SeaMonkey 1.1 did.

License change issue with Symbola and other fonts by George Douros.

Symbola and many other fonts are available at below link:
http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/

But I've just discovered, that George Douros has changed the license
of the fonts between 29 January 2018, and 7 March 2018.

The Internet Archive snapshot on 29 January 2018 says:
"In lieu of a licence; fonts and documents in this site are free for any use;"
This includes Symbola 10.23 and many other fonts by Douros.
Source:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180129230141/http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/

The next snapshot from 7 March 2018 says this:
"Free use of the software on this site is strictly limited to
personal, non-commercial use;"
Involves Symbola 10.24 and many other fonts.
Source:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180307012615/http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/

It should be possible to narrow down the date span of the change with
other web archive services.

Word should be spread, that fonts by George Douros are no longer free
in the spirit of GNU.

-Mart.

2018-04-21 3:22 GMT +03:00, Felix Fröhlich :
> Hi Matt,
>
> As for the Noto Emoji font, everything's a-okay. They show up in the
> size of the surrounding text, and even though they're not coloured
> (because they're not coloured in the font, either), they work just as
> you'd expect emoji to work.
>
> When using the Noto Color Emoji font, however, it produces results as
> shown in the pictures attached. As you may notice, they are WAY
> oversized for the area they're supposed to be displayed in. The first
> attachment (emoji-regular.png) shows the emoji as they show up on
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Emoji_(Unicode_block). The
> second one (emoji-textarea.png) shows the emoji when used in a text
> area. The emoji was pasted in line 7 as last character on the line.
>
> As I said, though, I am pretty sure the oversized display is due to my
> installation of the font (or the font in general?) being corrupted or
> unusable, not a bug in IceCat.
>
> With regard to the replies: Yes, I am subscribed to the list, so
> there's no need to CC me :)
>
> --
> Felix Fröhlich
> GnuPG: AC26CC3F517BA1794743512E32E7A8DAB442426F
>
> On Fri, 2018-04-20 at 20:51 +0300, Mart Rootamm wrote:
>> Felix,
>> There are additional font size settings in about:config, if you
>> search
>> there just with 'font'.
>>
>> The about:config solution is one, though in some operating systems,
>> browsers typically default to the closest possible match, if they
>> rely
>> on the OS to match missing characters, thus precluding the trip to
>> about:config.
>>
>> wrt font size, can you send a screenshot of what the Noto emoji look
>> like for you with text?
>> For example, both in a plain Wikipedia article, and in a textarea
>> (editing an article).
>>
>> wrt to replies, then I originally sent a reply both to bug-gnuzilla,
>> and a carbon copy to you. On assumption, that you've subscribed
>> anyway, then I won't :cc you.
>>
>> -M.
>>
>> 2018-04-20 0:52 GMT +03:00, Felix Fröhlich > >:
>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> > Hash: SHA512
>> >
>> > Whoops. Apparently that email didn't include the previous reply I
>> > sent
>> > to Mart. Here you go:
>> >
>> > Hi Mart,
>> >
>> > Great! Thanks for the advice.
>> >
>> > I added the Noto Color Emoji font to the following about:config
>> > settings:
>> >
>> >  * font.name.monospace.x-unicode
>> >  * font.name.sans-serif.x-unicode
>> >  * font.name.serif.x-unicode
>> >
>> > Now the Emoji actually do show up. They're way too big, though
>> > ^^
>> >
>> > I'll play around with the font settings and see if I can manage
>> > this; Maybe I'll have to use a different font.
>> >
>> > - --
>> > Felix Fröhlich
>> > GnuPG: AC26CC3F517BA1794743512E32E7A8DAB442426F
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2018-04-19 at 23:33 +0200, Felix Fröhlich wrote:
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > So, erm, that was... not optimal. I wrote the mail to Mart and
>> > > bug-
>> > > gnuz
>> > > i...@lists.gnu.org because for some reason I believed that was
>> > > the
>> > > correct email address... Please don't ask me why.
>> > >
>> > > Anyhow, with Mart's help I figured out how to display the emoji
>> > > (see
>> > > below).
>> > >
>> > > I also found out that -- for some reason I don't know -- the Noto
>> > > Color
>> > > Emoji font on my system appears to be corrupted, as the font
>> > > shows up
>> > > as what looks like a rounded square in gnome-font-viewer (see
>> > > attachment). Not sure what causes this, but I fell back to