Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Safari privacy measure still not up to GNU IceCat

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I caught that on RSS. With all the other choices available whether free or 
partially free, why would any privacy advocate use Apple products anyway? When 
it comes to freedom, Apple has been worse, and for much longer than any other 
major software company today.

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-Dan Q


On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:55:39 +0200, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> 
> "Intelligent tracking prevention": New Safari privacy measure still
> doesn't measure up to GNU IceCat
> 
> by Georgia Young - Free Software Foundation
> 
> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/intelligent-tracking-prevention-new-safari-privacy-measure-still-doesnt-measure-up-to-gnu-icecat
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] uBlock Origins 1.14.0 incompatible with IceCat 52.1.0

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Pale Moon will also keep XUL support ongoing, that has been my main browser for 
a long time.

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-Dan Q

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 16:36:04 +0300, Mart Rootamm  wrote:

> There is great consternation amonst users and some developers about
> the deprecation of XUL in Firefox and some derivatives, because many
> useful extensions would be made incompatible.
> 
> It would therefore be great, if GNU hosted (or at least linked to)
> both the XUL-compatible extensions, and those that support
> WebExtensions.
> 
> The Firefox-derivative Waterfox browser project has decided to keep
> support for XUL ongoing.
> 
> -M.
> 
> 2017-09-02 15:38 GMT+03:00, mdn :
> >
> > Le 02/09/2017 06:51, David Hedlund a écrit :
> >> This was quickly solved after I discussed with the author. I updated
> >> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin to version 1.14.4, it
> >> should work with IceCat 52.1.0.
> > Just to make a small note:
> > It also works with the 1.13.7.rc4 beta version of UbO.
> > Has for V57 when webextensions will be mandatory UbO works from version
> > 1.14.3b1.
> > Same thing for umatrix it needs to be upgrade to version 1.0.1rc1.
> > With v57 HTTPS everywhere works only with version 2017.8.31.
> > Have a good day.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2017-09-02 00:06, Felix Fröhlich wrote:
> >>> Greetings all,
> >>>
> >>> I recently noticed that uBlock Origins was labelled incompatible with
> >>> IceCat 52.1.0. The author published a new version (1.14.0) which drops
> >>> the support for any Firefox-based browser that does not support
> >>> WebExtensions. It looks like IceCat page saw that version and updated
> >>> uBlock Origins without (being capable of?) checking whether that version
> >>> could actually be used.
> >>>
> >>> It was possible to reverse this update by downloading uBlock 1.13.8 from
> >>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/versions/1.13.8
> >>>
> >>> and disabling automatic updates for it (not sure if disabling them was
> >>> necessary), but it would be nice if -- until WebExtensions are supported
> >>> by IceCat, of course -- IceCat would hold back add-on updates if they
> >>> are marked as incompatible with the corresponding Firefox version (in
> >>> this case, 52.1.0esr).
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Librement
> > BERNARD
> >
> > ENG: Please be kind enough to use GPG for our future conversations:
> > https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/
> > If this email isn't PGP signed then it isn't mine.
> >
> > -If you can't compile it dump it.
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] WebExtension add-ons

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Will we be keeping support for the old addons (like the Pale Moon is)?

And in case you don't know, while open-source, Pale Moon is run by really shady 
privacy-hating developers:

https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/palemoon.org#comment-90384777

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-Dan Q

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 05:27:39 +0200, David Hedlund  wrote:

> For those curious about adding new add-ons to the FSD: 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/tag/firefox57?sort=users
> 
> 
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[Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Hi,

I am sick and effing tired of the project going nowhere because all we do is 
argue over the same crap while the developers can't make up their mind on what 
to do before the next already-obsolete version is released. I've seen more 
fringe opinions with IceCat than I've seen in any other software program. The 
truth is nobody in IceCat cares about providing freedom to those in need of it, 
which IceCat is in a crucial position for right now, they just like to argue 
and troll and come up with nutty ideas, like that troll a few months ago who 
said that closed-source OSes should receive no security updates for any 
software at all, and now we got another weirdo who is putting out similar 
rants. The GNU project is about providing freedom to people who need it, not 
*deliberately* harming people's lives with insecure software just because they 
use closed-source OSes. I switched to Pale Moon months ago because, thanks to 
the trolls who hold back development, IceCat is dangerous to use. I'm tired
  of trolls. Have fun with your troll web browser, I won't be recommending it 
to anyone anymore on any OS, closed or open.

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] non-free code on IceCat

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I agree. It may seem to be silly, but Google does no evil, and Mozilla cares 
about our right to privacy.

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-Dan Q


On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 14:39:11 +0100, Antonio Trande  wrote:

> Icecat looks included non-free code. Please, remove the file
> 
> ./dom/system/gonk/tests/marionette/ril_jshint/jshint.js
> 
> Bad license:
> 
> > * JSHint, by JSHint Community.
> > *
> > * This file (and this file only) is licensed under the same slightly >
> modified
> > * MIT license that JSLint is. It stops evil-doers everywhere:
> > *
> > *Copyright (c) 2002 Douglas Crockford  (www.JSLint.com)
> > *
> > *Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person
> > obtaining
> > *a copy of this software and associated documentation files
> > (the "Software"),
> > *to deal in the Software without restriction, including without >
> limitation
> > *the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute,
> > sublicense,
> > *and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to
> > whom
> > *the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following
> > conditions:
> > *
> > *The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be >
> included
> > *in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
> > *
> > *The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
> > *
> > *THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY
> > KIND, EXPRESS OR
> > *IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF
> > MERCHANTABILITY,
> > *FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO
> > EVENT SHALL THE
> > *AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES > OR
> OTHER
> > *LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR
> > OTHERWISE, ARISING
> > *FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR > OTHER
> > *DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.
> > *
> > */
> 
> Bug on Mozilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1334543
> Bug on Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813054
> Bug on Fedora: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1421409
> 
> -- 
> ---
> Antonio Trande
> mailto: sagitter 'at' fedoraproject 'dot' org
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sagitter
> GPG Key: 0xD5C73C16131EEDF8948AA719C05E8F07B96A706C
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I am convinced Narcis is a troll, or just nuts.

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 01:11:24 +0100 (CET), <awake...@tutanota.de> wrote:

> are you implying that it's silly to look for problems and then improve by 
> updating? 
> 
> I guess  we should just stop looking for vulnerabilities to fix, because if 
> we ignore them they will all just go away right? Wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> 30. Dec 2016 15:38 by informat...@actiu.net:
> 
> 
> > IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
> > Icecat 52, etc.
> >
> >
> > El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> -Dan Q
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia <>> 
> >> informat...@actiu.net>> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
> >>> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
> >>> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
> >>> direction.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >>>> I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
> >>>> being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and 
> >>>> v45.3 were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version 
> >>>> would be available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should 
> >>>> expand non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we 
> >>>> need to focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list 
> >>>> opinions. We should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, 
> >>>> to my knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say 
> >>>> "Why should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be 
> >>>> confused for someone who is making decisions for the project.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> -Dan Q
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs <>>>> 
> >>>> gdri...@gmail.com>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> >>>>>> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where did you see any such announcement?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, >>>>> 
> >>>>> political-gnuzi...@gnu.org>>>>> , so the rest of us can discuss 
> >>>>> technical topics in peace.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Should I just ignore this guy now? Because he's starting to sound like he's 
nuts.

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 21:38:27 +0100, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote:

> IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
> Icecat 52, etc.
> 
> 
> El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
> >> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
> >> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
> >> direction.
> >>
> >>
> >> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >>> I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
> >>> being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 
> >>> were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be 
> >>> available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand 
> >>> non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to 
> >>> focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We 
> >>> should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my 
> >>> knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say "Why 
> >>> should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused 
> >>> for someone who is making decisions for the project.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> -Dan Q
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs <gdri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> >>>>> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where did you see any such announcement?
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, 
> >>>> political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, so the rest of us can discuss technical 
> >>>> topics in peace.
> >>>> --
> >>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote:

> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
> direction.
> 
> 
> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
> > being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 
> > were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be 
> > available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand 
> > non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to 
> > focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We 
> > should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my knowledge 
> > Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say "Why should we 
> > maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused for someone 
> > who is making decisions for the project.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs <gdri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> >>> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
> >>
> >> Where did you see any such announcement?
> >>
> >> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, 
> >> political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, so the rest of us can discuss technical topics 
> >> in peace.
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> 
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

It's not about security, IceCat is highly insecure, we're always months behind 
the latest ESR even. It's about people everywhere, regardless of OS, not being 
stuck with such things as EME and mandatory signing. Hell with Firefox and 
Chrome, Linux has that now too.

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-Dan Q


On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:16:25 +0100 (CET), <awake...@tutanota.de> wrote:

> THIS! 10/10 all the way. devs wasting precious time and resources working on 
> any windows software does nothing to help anyone in any way. we would all be 
> insulting our own intelligence and our principles, the very purpose of 
> icecat; to consider further enabling people to have a false sense of security 
> while using the very software that is one of the main driving forces behind 
> the reason why software's like icecat are even created in the first place. 
> the contradiction! the hypocracy! I invite all people of the world to use 
> FOSS linux software on FOSH hardware with a great browser like Gnu IceCat so 
> that they may comfortably step across the bridge from a sinking ship to a 
> paradigm shift!
> 
> "No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech 
> company 
> exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
> rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
> consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends 
> them 
> over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
> with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
> production, so what is being done about it?
> 
> Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat 
> is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I 
> would 
> refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
> claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and 
> feel 
> better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
> life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
> applying a band-aid.
> 
> Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
> platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
> Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
> already have more work than they can handle."
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 29. Dec 2016 13:06 by melik...@melikamp.com:
> 
> 
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 21:37:31 Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >> I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at
> >> Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is?
> >
> > No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech 
> > company 
> > exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
> > rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
> > consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends 
> > them 
> > over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
> > with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
> > production, so what is being done about it?
> >
> > Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if 
> > icecat 
> > is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I 
> > would 
> > refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
> > claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and 
> > feel 
> > better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
> > life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
> > applying a band-aid.
> >
> > Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
> > platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
> > Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
> > already have more work than they can handle.
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Well they can get away with targeting home users, and you raise an interesting 
point about child pornography laws, but for Fortune 500 companies and their 
trade secrets you have to deal with stuff like non-disclosure agreements, 
insider trading laws, military contractors, etc. Microsoft would be really 
stupid to play games like that, such as dealing in trade secrets without 
appropriate clearance, and can face serious lawsuits from companies with far 
more net worth and political connections than Microsoft.

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:06:32 -0800, Ivan Zaigralin <melik...@melikamp.com> 
wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 21:37:31 Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at
> > Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is?
> 
> No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech 
> company 
> exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
> rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
> consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends 
> them 
> over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
> with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
> production, so what is being done about it?
> 
> Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat 
> is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I 
> would 
> refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
> claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and 
> feel 
> better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
> life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
> applying a band-aid.
> 
> Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
> platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
> Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
> already have more work than they can handle.
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are being 
confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 were 
released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be available, 
and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand non-DRM browsers 
under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to focus on the project and 
official policy vs mailing list opinions. We should also focus on who the 
decision makers actually are, to my knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but 
someone can easily say "Why should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of 
IceCat?" and be confused for someone who is making decisions for the project.

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs <gdri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > 
> > Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> > easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
> 
> Where did you see any such announcement?
> 
> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, 
> so the rest of us can discuss technical topics in peace.
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Would you close a soup kitchen because it helps discourage people from finding 
jobs?

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 03:07:17 +0100 (CET), <awake...@tutanota.de> wrote:

> I would avoid windows, microsoft, apple, google, and anything from prism at 
> all costs if you want any sort of freedom and privacy to be honest, in my 
> experienced opinion.
> 
> 28. Dec 2016 14:29 by d...@runbox.com:
> 
> 
> > But should we add one additional private company (the Mozilla Foundation) 
> > to the threat list? Or lessen the threat of Win10 by using GNU in its place?
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:26:20 +0100 (CET), <> awake...@tutanota.de> > wrote:
> >
> >> Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a 
> >> better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very fact 
> >> that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to spy the 
> >> ** out of everyone who uses it.
> >> windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10 
> >> minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's 
> >> your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking 
> >> yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of 
> >> using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain 
> >> silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but 
> >> just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up 
> >> prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the 
> >> MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and 
> >> literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by >> d...@runbox.com>> :
> >>
> >>
> >> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only 
> >> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they 
> >> > lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use 
> >> > unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of 
> >> > Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which 
> >> > I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, 
> >> > mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm 
> >> > stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a 
> >> > GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and 
> >> > Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > -Dan Q
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> >> 
> >> > informat...@actiu.net>> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> >> >> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >> >> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was 
> >> >> > a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to 
> >> >> > use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't 
> >> >> > much.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > -Dan Q
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn <>> >> 
> >> >> > bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
> >> >> >> launches the said browser.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
> >> >> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a 
> >> >> >> "add/remove
> >> >> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove 
> >> >> >> internet
> >> >> >> explorer (has well has others functions)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> >> >> >> Good luck
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> >> >> >>> Hello,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but 
> >> >> >>> I can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance 
> >> >> >>> to set IceCat as a default browser?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Thank you in advance.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Btw. I found this >> >> 
> >> >> >>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x>>
> >> >> >>>  >>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 
> >> >> >>> PRO x64bit.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> >> > 
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at 
Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is?

--

-Dan Q


On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 03:05:18 +0100 (CET), <awake...@tutanota.de> wrote:

> "Information source?"
> 
> I hate to be that person that says to go use a search engine but if you check 
> out startpage.com and youtube you will find a few good results.
> 
> "I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity theft 
> if your social security number was involved."
> 
> and somehow they seem to get away with it. Prism.
> 
> 28. Dec 2016 14:33 by d...@runbox.com:
> 
> 
> > I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity 
> > theft if your social security number was involved.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:23:33 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> informat...@actiu.net> 
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to
> >> 10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft"
> >>
> >> Information source?
> >>
> >>
> >> El 28/12/16 a les 18:26, >> awake...@tutanota.de>>  ha escrit:
> >> > Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a
> >> > better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very
> >> > fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to
> >> > spy the ** out of everyone who uses it.
> >> > windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10
> >> > minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's
> >> > your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking
> >> > yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of
> >> > using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain
> >> > silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but
> >> > just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up
> >> > prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the
> >> > MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and
> >> > literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by >> d...@runbox.com>>  <>> mailto:d...@runbox.com>> 
> >> > >:
> >> > 
> >> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only
> >> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because
> >> > they lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced
> >> > to use unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings
> >> > of Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of
> >> > which I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree
> >> > things, mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and
> >> > when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd
> >> > rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like
> >> > Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> >> > 
> >> > --
> >> > 
> >> > -Dan Q
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia
> >> > <>> informat...@actiu.net>>  <>> mailto:informat...@actiu.net>> >> 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> >> > I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >> > > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's
> >> > why I was a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45,
> >> > when I have to use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy
> >> > even if it isn't much.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > -Dan Q
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity theft if 
your social security number was involved.

--

-Dan Q


On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:23:33 +0100, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote:

> "windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to
> 10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft"
> 
> Information source?
> 
> 
> El 28/12/16 a les 18:26, awake...@tutanota.de ha escrit:
> > Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a
> > better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very
> > fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to
> > spy the ** out of everyone who uses it.
> > windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10
> > minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's
> > your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking
> > yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of
> > using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain
> > silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but
> > just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up
> > prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the
> > MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and
> > literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by d...@runbox.com <mailto:d...@runbox.com>:
> > 
> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only
> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because
> > they lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced
> > to use unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings
> > of Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of
> > which I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree
> > things, mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and
> > when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd
> > rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like
> > Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia
> > <informat...@actiu.net <mailto:informat...@actiu.net>> wrote:
> > 
> > "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> > I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> > 
> > 
> > El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's
> > why I was a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45,
> > when I have to use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy
> > even if it isn't much.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Dan Q
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn
> > <bernardl...@openmailbox.org
> > <mailto:bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
> > >> launches the said browser.
> > >>
> > >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go
> > in the
> > >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a
> > "add/remove
> > >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can
> > remove internet
> > >> explorer (has well has others functions)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> > >> Good luck
> > >>
> > >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> > >>> Hello,
> > >>>
> > >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO
> > x64bit, but I can't click on set it as a default browser. Is
> > there any chance to set IceCat as a default browser?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you in advance.
> > >>>
> > >>> Btw. I found this
> > 
> > http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
> > , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO
> > x64bit.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > >>>
> > >> --
> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > >
> > 
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45.5.1 for Windows?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

So you wouldn't give a band-aid to someone who has just been raped?

--

-Dan Q

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:18:00 +0100 (CET),  wrote:

> bleh... why would IceCat release on windows? that's like giving someone a 
> bandaid if they need a doctor. the amount of hard work the devs do will be 
> wasted on a release on a system that contradicts the very philosophical 
> values of IceCat. that effort should be spent better making IceCat better 
> where it matters.
> 
> --
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> https://tutanota.com
> 
> 20. Dec 2016 12:25 by jw...@web.de:
> 
> 
> > When will IceCat 45.5.1 for Windows be released? Or has Windows support 
> > been dropped? There is no Windows version to download in the repository > 
> > http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/45.5.1> .
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Seems like a lot of work and reading material for a Windows user who just wants 
to browse the web and not have to worry about corporate and government spooks. 
Plus there's the risk M$ is tampering with the virtual machine client, remember 
you still have UEFI too so it's possible.

--

-Dan Q


On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:13:49 +0100, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote:

> In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
> 1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
> 2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
> 3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web
> 
> Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
> viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.
> 
> Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications behaviour.
> 
> 
> El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
> > cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
> > technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
> > browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have 
> > two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I 
> > need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute 
> > for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM 
> > machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM 
> > and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> >> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> >>
> >>
> >> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >>> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
> >>> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
> >>> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> -Dan Q
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn <bernardl...@openmailbox.org> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
> >>>> launches the said browser.
> >>>>
> >>>> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
> >>>> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
> >>>> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
> >>>> explorer (has well has others functions)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> >>>> Good luck
> >>>>
> >>>> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
> >>>>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
> >>>>> IceCat as a default browser?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you in advance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Btw. I found this 
> >>>>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
> >>>>>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford cheap 
laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack technical 
expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree browsers like 
Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have two computers, one 
Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I need the Windows 
computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute for a television for 
my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever 
reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like 
Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?

--

-Dan Q


On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote:

> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> 
> 
> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
> > little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
> > Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn <bernardl...@openmailbox.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
> >> launches the said browser.
> >>
> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
> >> explorer (has well has others functions)
> >>
> >>
> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> >> Good luck
> >>
> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
> >>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
> >>> IceCat as a default browser?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in advance.
> >>>
> >>> Btw. I found this 
> >>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
> >>>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



--
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45.5.1 release

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Thank you so much!

Is an update for the Windows version coming soon?

--

-Dan Q


On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 20:21:47 -0500, Rubén Rodríguez  wrote:

> GNUzilla is the GNU version of the Mozilla suite, and GNU IceCat is the
> GNU version of the Firefox browser. Its main advantage is an ethical
> one: it is entirely free software. While the Firefox source code from
> the Mozilla project is free software, they distribute and recommend
> non-free software as plug-ins and addons. Also their trademark license
> restricts distribution in several ways incompatible with freedom 0.
> https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/
> 
> The user manual pages are at http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/
> You can contribute by joining the wiki and editing the manuals.
> 
> Source tarballs, binaries for generic GNU/Linux systems and translations
> are available at http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/45.5.1/
> GPG key ID:D7E04784 GNU IceCat releases
> Fingerprint: A573 69A8 BABC 2542 B5A0  368C 3C76 EED7 D7E0 4784
> https://savannah.gnu.org/project/memberlist-gpgkeys.php?group=gnuzilla
> 
> This release introduces few changes aside of the major upgrade from v38
> to v45, which required changes to the branding, aboutIcecat pages,
> spyblock, internationalization build system and search plugins.
> 
> == Changes since v38.8.0ESR ==
>  * Updated to v45.5.1ESR
>  * https-everywhere updated to 5.2.7
>  * Disabled antifeatures: EME, telemetry, flash, search suggestions,
> Geolocation, GMP, Pocket, and extension signatures. WebRTC tunned to
> prevent ip leaks over TOR.
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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[Bug-gnuzilla] VOTING HAS MOVED TO SAVANNAH

[Daniel Quintiliani]

David Hedlund suggested we vote using Savannah's bug tracking system. The three 
votes are in the Bugs section:

https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php

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[Bug-gnuzilla] [VOTE] Spyblock

[Daniel Quintiliani]

On Spyblock, should we:

1. Keep Spyblock
2. Replace with uBlock Origin
3. Remove Spyblock

I vote #2

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[Bug-gnuzilla] [VOTE] Tor code base

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Should we use the Tor code as a basis for Icecat?

1. Yes
2. No

I vote #1

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[Bug-gnuzilla] [VOTE] Cookie prompt

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Vote:

We should:

1. Wait until we can integrate the old cookie prompt into the new ESR code 
before a release
2. Allow this feature to be removed and recommend a free addon

I vote #2

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[Bug-gnuzilla] Can we handle this stuff with a vote?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Hi,

Icecat has been unsafe and insecure for months because people have been arguing 
over trivial things and the developers are waiting for our opinions but 
refusing to act.

I say we handle this with a mailing list vote. I don't know all the arguments, 
but for the first week, every issue would be a thread describing a specific way 
of handling something and after the following two weeks the developers would go 
the way of the vote. IceCat is dangerous to use because of our ridiculous 
childishness.

I will start my own threads shortly, and we can vote on them.

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Firefox Hello free?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Hi,

I think Firefox Hello was not functional at all in IceCat v38.8, even though it 
was in the UI (like the DRM and SafeBrowsing options). I might be wrong (as 
IceCat did integrate Mozilla's Sync service, to my knowledge).

--

-Dan Q


On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 20:22:38 +0200, David Hedlund  wrote:

> Firefox Hello is disabled in Firefox ESR 45.0 - 
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/45.0esr/releasenotes/
> 
> Firefox Hello was completely removed in Firefox 49 - 
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/49.0/releasenotes/
> 
> 
> --
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Keeping Firefox Addons As They Are

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I recommend he actually try out the addons before forming an opinion about them.

--

-Dan Q


On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 20:08:30 -0700, Gary Driggs  wrote:

> awakeyet wrote:
> > of course, why do you think they))) are making the change?
> 
> paranoid much? I don't see any politics -- just technical discussions about 
> the merits of one extension vs another. I recommend that you take off your 
> tinfoil hat & do some deep breathing exercises before you post again.
> 
> -Gary
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Build Spyblock from uBlock Origin

[Daniel Quintiliani]

What is wrong with uBlock Origin? It seems to work a lot better than the old 
Adblock Edge which was similar to Spyblock, plus it covers additional stuff 
like webRTC, beacons, prefetching, etc

--

-Dan Q


On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 03:10:30 +0200 (CEST),  wrote:

> spyblock is an excellent addon. why in the world should we waste our effort 
> adding a heavily shilled addon when we could focus our 
> efforts to improve GNU icecat, and then make possible improvements (not that 
> any are needed) to spyblock later? spyblock has never ever given me a single 
> problem or failed me in any way. as simple as it is, it has done it's job 
> just fine without lagging my potato of a computer.
> 
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> 
> 23. Sep 2016 13:48 by d...@runbox.com:
> 
> 
> > uBlock Origin a bit of a learning curve for Adblock Plus users but I do 
> > agree we should switch.
> >
> > But, more importantly, get out an updated, secure IceCat release before 
> > making feature enhancements.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:48:36 +0700, Sedov Andrey <> sedov...@yandex.ru> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Adblock Plus began to distribute advertising (Acceptable Ads Platform 
> >> <>> https://AcceptableAds.com/Platform>> >) = Adblock Plus died. uBlock 
> >> Origin 
> >> is the only solution.
> >>
> >>
> >> 23.09.2016 08:56, David Hedlund пишет:
> >> > I think it is time to build Spyblock from Adblock Plus (ABP) to uBlock 
> >> > Origin (uBO).
> >> >
> >> > Adblock Plus is as usually the most popular add-on on 
> >> > addons.mozilla.org but have grow less popular over time, while uBlock 
> >> > Origin is currently the 6th most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org 
> >> > and have grow more popular over time. uBlock Origin one of the fastest 
> >> > trending add-on I've seen.
> >> >
> >> > uBO has dozens of features that's missing in ABP. For example uBO can 
> >> > block popunders that ABP cannot.
> >> >
> >> > -- 
> >> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"

[Daniel Quintiliani]

How I handle it: Accept cookies, accept third-party cookies, clear cookies when 
you close the browser.

--

-Dan Q

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 01:22:46 +0200, David Hedlund  wrote:

>  >Cookie Monster (CM) rejects 3rd-party cookies by default so you have 
> to whitelist a lot of domains using CDN domains with CM. This applies to 
> all the big sites like eBay, Amazon, and AliExpress. This take to much 
> work for me as there are no editable whitelist like in Self-destructing 
> cookies. The developer of CM have a copy of this email though.
> 
> I was wrong, there are whitelist for CM but still you need to whitelist 
> a lot of 3rd-party CDN domains.
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Build Spyblock from uBlock Origin

[Daniel Quintiliani]

uBlock Origin a bit of a learning curve for Adblock Plus users but I do agree 
we should switch.

But, more importantly, get out an updated, secure IceCat release before making 
feature enhancements.

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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:48:36 +0700, Sedov Andrey  wrote:

> Adblock Plus began to distribute advertising (Acceptable Ads Platform 
> ) = Adblock Plus died. uBlock Origin 
> is the only solution.
> 
> 
> 23.09.2016 08:56, David Hedlund пишет:
> > I think it is time to build Spyblock from Adblock Plus (ABP) to uBlock 
> > Origin (uBO).
> >
> > Adblock Plus is as usually the most popular add-on on 
> > addons.mozilla.org but have grow less popular over time, while uBlock 
> > Origin is currently the 6th most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org 
> > and have grow more popular over time. uBlock Origin one of the fastest 
> > trending add-on I've seen.
> >
> > uBO has dozens of features that's missing in ABP. For example uBO can 
> > block popunders that ABP cannot.
> >
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Why is everyone so opposed to an addon for something that nobody uses? I can't 
imagine anyone clicking 20 dialog boxes per each loaded banner ad. So opposed 
to using an addon that they are unwilling to update serious security problems 
in software?

All I know is that all of this politics is aggravating me and I have not used 
IceCat in months for my own personal safety. I not only have Linux but Windows 
to worry about so having security is more important than whether something 
should be farmed out to an already existing addon or included in the browser. 
IceCat can be a great alternative as it's pro-privacy and anti-DRM. All our 
arguing has delayed an IceCat release for too long and we will not be taken 
seriously as a free browser if we keep arguing about cookies until Firefox 60.0 
ESR is released.

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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 03:12:22 +0200, David Hedlund  wrote:

>  From https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1118394
> 
> hi, the ask anytime option for cookies was removed in firefox 44, which 
> was supposed to happen for a long time (bug 606655).
> 
> i would recommend the following setup instead: in the custom history 
> options choose "keep until i close firefox" as a default option & set 
> exceptions for the few sites where you want stay logged-in across 
> sessions. this way you'll have less work to do over all and a 
> privacy-minded setup after all.
> 
> or as an alternative you could also take a look at an extension like 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/
> 
> 
> Lots of people complain about this. Consider to keep the code for 
> cookies "ask me every time" from Firefox 43 for IceCat 45.
> 
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Suggestion: .gnuzilla/icecat/ instead of .mozilla/icecat/

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I think updating to the latest ESR (or at least backporting the newer security 
fixes) should be our main priority right now.

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On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:57:24 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic  
wrote:

> On 06/15/2016 03:07 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> > I would love to see the profiles stored under .gnuzilla/icecat/
> > instead of the current path .mozilla/icecat/.
> 
> It seems there is a consensus this is a good idea. Which steps you
> recommend I take to see this implemented?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tiberiu
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Suggestion: .gnuzilla/icecat/ instead of .mozilla/icecat/

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Hi,

I think it's a better idea to keep all the Mozilla-based products' profiles in 
the same predictable place. Thunderbird, Tor Browser Bundle, etc.

BTW, any new info on the v45 security issues vs the cookie prompt? Were we 
going to backport the security updates to v38, or move forward to v45 like TBB 
has, possibly including one of the add-ons Mozilla recommended?

Personally I can't imagine using a cookie prompt for each site (plus every 
banner ad and invisible GIF?) and always found it better to clean cookies on 
shutdown, and have done so pretty much all my life. I wouldn't mind sacrificing 
such a feature in exchange for fixing security issues now and more easily in 
the future.

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:07:34 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic  
wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm impressed with the new GNU IceCat maintained by Ruben.
> 
> However, I would love to see the profiles stored under .gnuzilla/icecat/
> instead of the current path .mozilla/icecat/.
> 
> Is there a technical reason why this shouldn't be possible? I'm thinking
> maybe backward compatibility?
> 
> Please let me know.
> Tiberiu
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[Bug-gnuzilla] 38.8.0 not listed in the RSS feed

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Hi,

I sent this to the wrong list (dev) by mistake:

>The RSS feed at Savannah has not been updated for v38.8.0.

>Also should mention that Wikipedia didn't update the version number until June 
>1st, probably because the update was hidden on the FTP and never announced.

Thank you,

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