Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[Mart Rootamm]

[Added a reply here, too]
I think the 'Request Desktop Site' menuitem won't work, because the default
user agent string does not contain the word 'mobile', and by default, it
contains a string for non-free software.

I know, it's supposed to be the most common string to reduce UA
fingerprinting, but eventually, it will be out of date and relatively easy
to distinguish.

2016-04-20 15:50 GMT+03:00 Narcis Garcia :

> I see a "Request Desktop Site" option at main menu, but it doesn't seem
> to have effect.
> User Agent may need to only add or remove "Mobile" word when user uses
> "Request Desktop Site" option. And this option could be enabled by default.
>
>
> El 20/04/16 a les 11:39, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
> >> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
> >> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
> >> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
> >
> > Indeed, but the default IceCatMobile UA string is not even remotely
> > mobile (Windows 6.1, etc), causing many sites to display a desktop
> > design where they should not. AFAIK, IceCat does not include the default
> > Firefox UA string as an optional feature.
> >
> > On one hand, a person who chooses to use IceCat is already moderately
> > computer-proficient, but it would be difficult to recommend this browser
> > to beginners, because "it breaks their site." Truth be told, even a
> > person who chooses Firefox over Android default or Chrome could also be
> > classed as a reasonably atypical user.
> >
> > The site-specific overrides option is useful, though.
> >
> > btw, is there any progress about Firefox 45+ not having cookie prompts
> > viz IceCat? I was kinda hoping IceCat would keep them prompts.
> >
> > -M.
> >
> > 2016-04-20 3:32 GMT+03:00 Julie Marchant  > >:
> >
> > On 04/19/2016 06:22 PM, Mart Rootamm wrote:
> > > One issue is, that IceCatMobile fails to show its own user agent
> string,
> > > and uses a UA string of non-free software, which skews server
> > > statistics. I had to guesstimate the possible IceCat UA string for
> myself.
> >
> > That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to
> protect
> > your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
> > Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
> >
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[Narcis Garcia]

I see a "Request Desktop Site" option at main menu, but it doesn't seem
to have effect.
User Agent may need to only add or remove "Mobile" word when user uses
"Request Desktop Site" option. And this option could be enabled by default.


El 20/04/16 a les 11:39, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
>> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
>> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
>> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
> 
> Indeed, but the default IceCatMobile UA string is not even remotely
> mobile (Windows 6.1, etc), causing many sites to display a desktop
> design where they should not. AFAIK, IceCat does not include the default
> Firefox UA string as an optional feature.
> 
> On one hand, a person who chooses to use IceCat is already moderately
> computer-proficient, but it would be difficult to recommend this browser
> to beginners, because "it breaks their site." Truth be told, even a
> person who chooses Firefox over Android default or Chrome could also be
> classed as a reasonably atypical user.
> 
> The site-specific overrides option is useful, though.
> 
> btw, is there any progress about Firefox 45+ not having cookie prompts
> viz IceCat? I was kinda hoping IceCat would keep them prompts.
> 
> -M.
> 
> 2016-04-20 3:32 GMT+03:00 Julie Marchant  >:
> 
> On 04/19/2016 06:22 PM, Mart Rootamm wrote:
> > One issue is, that IceCatMobile fails to show its own user agent string,
> > and uses a UA string of non-free software, which skews server
> > statistics. I had to guesstimate the possible IceCat UA string for 
> myself.
> 
> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
> 
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> https://onpon4.github.io
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[Mart Rootamm]

> That's why the mobile version of IceCat should copy the user agent
> string of a popular mobile browser, like the mobile version of Firefox.

But it doesn't on install :-\

2016-04-20 14:06 GMT+03:00 Julie Marchant :

> On 04/20/2016 05:39 AM, Mart Rootamm wrote:
> > Indeed, but the default IceCatMobile UA string is not even remotely
> > mobile (Windows 6.1, etc), causing many sites to display a desktop
> > design where they should not.
>
> That's why the mobile version of IceCat should copy the user agent
> string of a popular mobile browser, like the mobile version of Firefox.
>
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[Julie Marchant]

On 04/20/2016 05:39 AM, Mart Rootamm wrote:
> Indeed, but the default IceCatMobile UA string is not even remotely
> mobile (Windows 6.1, etc), causing many sites to display a desktop
> design where they should not.

That's why the mobile version of IceCat should copy the user agent
string of a popular mobile browser, like the mobile version of Firefox.

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[Mart Rootamm]

> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.

Indeed, but the default IceCatMobile UA string is not even remotely mobile
(Windows 6.1, etc), causing many sites to display a desktop design where
they should not. AFAIK, IceCat does not include the default Firefox UA
string as an optional feature.

On one hand, a person who chooses to use IceCat is already moderately
computer-proficient, but it would be difficult to recommend this browser to
beginners, because "it breaks their site." Truth be told, even a person who
chooses Firefox over Android default or Chrome could also be classed as a
reasonably atypical user.

The site-specific overrides option is useful, though.

btw, is there any progress about Firefox 45+ not having cookie prompts viz
IceCat? I was kinda hoping IceCat would keep them prompts.

-M.

2016-04-20 3:32 GMT+03:00 Julie Marchant :

> On 04/19/2016 06:22 PM, Mart Rootamm wrote:
> > One issue is, that IceCatMobile fails to show its own user agent string,
> > and uses a UA string of non-free software, which skews server
> > statistics. I had to guesstimate the possible IceCat UA string for
> myself.
>
> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
>
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> https://onpon4.github.io
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[Julie Marchant]

On 04/19/2016 06:22 PM, Mart Rootamm wrote:
> One issue is, that IceCatMobile fails to show its own user agent string,
> and uses a UA string of non-free software, which skews server
> statistics. I had to guesstimate the possible IceCat UA string for myself.

That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
Firefox reduces your fingerprint.

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[Mart Rootamm]

I have it. It's noticeably more responsive than Firefox, but much bulkier
in comparison; especially with certain (larger) pages when I try to scroll
them, as other apps will want to quit right then.

One issue is, that IceCatMobile fails to show its own user agent string,
and uses a UA string of non-free software, which skews server statistics. I
had to guesstimate the possible IceCat UA string for myself.

The good thing, though, is that I can have a custom UA string for some
sites that would otherwise display badly.

-M.

2016-04-12 14:09 GMT+03:00 David Hedlund :

> I just started https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/IceCatMobile: "Read the
> IceCat  page for full description;
> This page specifically lists IceCatMobile compatible add-ons. The F-droid
> download page is also provided."
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[David Hedlund]

I just started https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/IceCatMobile: "Read the 
IceCat  page for full 
description; This page specifically lists IceCatMobile compatible 
add-ons. The F-droid download page is also provided."
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[Bug-gnuzilla] GNU IceCat finally on f-droid.org

[David Hedlund]

IceCat is now in the main repository of f-droid.org.

https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=icecat=org.gnu.icecat

*Version 38.7.1* - Added on 2016-04-10

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