Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

[Gary Sitton via BVARC]

Guys:

I had planned to bolt a statue of a "Garden Nymph"
using the old base foundation and studs whenever I
have to sell the house, Hi.

73s,
Gary Sitton, K5AMH
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On 4/8/2017 13:44, Bruce via BVARC wrote:
Only bad side to leaving concrete 6 inches below the ground surface is 
that water will build up or you fill it with dirt. In either way, you 
leave the base of your tower and bolts in water/moisture and they will 
rust. An early demise in some cases. I went about an inch above ground 
level so the water can drain off. You need to see which method is best 
for you. If you are concerned about selling your house, you can always 
break up the top and then throw dirt on it.


73...bruce

On 4/8/2017 1:09 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC wrote:
Hello, Scott is correct on the volume per sack & I was mistaken. 
According to Quikrete's website, each 80 pound bag provides .6 cubic 
foot of cement. Some one suggested leaving the top of the concrete 
approximately 6 inches below ground level. This is a very good idea. 
Should you wish to take the tower down should you sell your home, the 
tower legs can be cut off at cement level and dirt/grass, ect used to 
cover it, leaving no trace it was there. Don't forget installing a 
good ground for the tower other than lightening's route through the 
cement to ground. Sam N5AF 
___ >> On 
Apr 7, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC >> > wrote: >> >> A 
sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs >> about 80 
pounds and a cubic foot of concrete weighs from >> 90 to 96 pounds 
before water is added. >> >> Scott KD5FBA >>



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Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

[Bruce via BVARC]

Only bad side to leaving concrete 6 inches below the ground surface is 
that water will build up or you fill it with dirt. In either way, you 
leave the base of your tower and bolts in water/moisture and they will 
rust. An early demise in some cases. I went about an inch above ground 
level so the water can drain off. You need to see which method is best 
for you. If you are concerned about selling your house, you can always 
break up the top and then throw dirt on it.


73...bruce

On 4/8/2017 1:09 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC wrote:
Hello, Scott is correct on the volume per sack & I was mistaken. 
According to Quikrete's website, each 80 pound bag provides .6 cubic 
foot of cement. Some one suggested leaving the top of the concrete 
approximately 6 inches below ground level. This is a very good idea. 
Should you wish to take the tower down should you sell your home, the 
tower legs can be cut off at cement level and dirt/grass, ect used to 
cover it, leaving no trace it was there. Don't forget installing a 
good ground for the tower other than lightening's route through the 
cement to ground. Sam N5AF 
___ >> On 
Apr 7, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC >> > wrote: >> >> A 
sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs >> about 80 
pounds and a cubic foot of concrete weighs from >> 90 to 96 pounds 
before water is added. >> >> Scott KD5FBA >>



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Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

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Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

[Gary Sitton via BVARC]

All:

Thanks to all for the base construction ideas and
information.  I'll be ordering this monster as soon as
I get more base details from UST so wish me luck.

73s,
Gary Sitton, K5AMH
gasit...@comcast.net


On 4/7/2017 21:00, Gary Sitton via BVARC wrote:


Rick:

   I plan to guy this mast for sure. I wouldn't trust this in a wind. 
The ALM-31 is very similar to their older 40' crank-up MA-40 model.  
It's made of extruded Aluminum sections rather than tubing.


Gary

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On April 7, 2017 7:52:51 PM Rick Hiller -- W5RH via BVARC 
<bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:


Gary,  I think I would ask the tower company for engineering specs.  
Now you mention a tilt over base/ginpole.   Not gonna happen in a 2 
by 2 by 2 base.   I cannot find any information on the tower on line 
other than a brief description in that they just started producing 
after Dayton 2016.  No manual, no drawings, no detailed specs to 
speak of.


Question to consider:  When it is extended at 31 feet and you have 
your 45 pounds of rotor and antenna (windload area not known) waving 
in a brisk, pre-wx-front breeze...what forces will be exerted 31 feet 
down the unguyed tower to the 700 pond base. Overkill is the 
preferred build method.  Keep Redy-Mix in business.


W5RH

Rick Hiller
/The Radio Hotel/  -- W5RH



On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC 
<bvarc@bvarc.org <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote:


Normal weight concrete is about 145 lb per cu.ft. That is wet
weight. Concrete sold at home centers is dry weight so the yield
will be less than one cu.ft. Straight sack concrete is generally
easier than using flyash if you are creating at home.

If mixing materials by hand from bulk, the old 1,2,3 rule works
well to give 3000 psi or greater. using one bucket or container
of portland cement to 2 containers of sand to 3 containers of
coarse aggregate. Of course if you need air entrainment or want
to use a water reducing, set retarding admixture or super
plasticizer you are better off using redi-mix concrete and
ordering it. Air entrainment is not necessary in this climate if
the bulk of concrete is in the ground.

Scott KD5FBA

Scott Medbury

16802 Aprilmont Drive

Sugar Land, TX 77498-1941

smedb...@windstream.net <mailto:smedb...@windstream.net>

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BVARC
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*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light
Tower Base??

Carefully check the sack yield.

Normal weight concrete is roughly 145 lbs/cu ft.

Use greater than 3000 psi strength concrete.

Do not add excess water. Rod the stiff mix into place.

Note the 2 x 2 x 2 should be measured at least 6 inches below
grade and so all surfaces are against firm to stiff soil.

That means you will need extra concrete to finish above grade.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Rick Hiller via BVARC
<bvarc@bvarc.org <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote:

8 cu ft X 90 lbs per = 720 lbs.

31 foot lever moving 720 lbs.doesn't take much moment.

Where's KG5KV when you need him?

RH

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On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC
<bvarc@bvarc.org <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote:

A sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs
about 80 pounds and a cubic foot of concrete weighs from
90 to 96 pounds before water is added.

Scott KD5FBA

/Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid/

On Apr 7, 2017 2:04 PM, Gary Sitton via BVARC
<bvarc@bvarc.org <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote:

Rick,

ALM-31 is new product so I don't have the specs.
yet,  but it's extruded 6061-T6 Alum. and will weigh
~200 lbs. with the beam and rotator.  I would not
need or want to fold it over fully extended! My
handy guy said he'll do it for $500: materials, hole,
frame, re-bar and pour.  Seems a bit high, but it's
turn-key and he's very meticulous.  I probably could
save some money by having a less skilled person
dig and prepare the square hole.  Bell-bottoming
is a great idea however!  Attached is picture of my
homebrew common mode coax choke for the beam.

73s,
Gary Sitton, K5AMH
gasit...@comcast.net <mailto:gasit...@comcast.net>

On 4/7/2017 12:59, Rick Hiller via BVARC wrote:

Gary,

Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

[Gary Sitton via BVARC]

Rick:

  I plan to guy this mast for sure. I wouldn't trust this in a wind. The 
ALM-31 is very similar to their older 40' crank-up MA-40 model.  It's made 
of extruded Aluminum sections rather than tubing.


Gary


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On April 7, 2017 7:52:51 PM Rick Hiller -- W5RH via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> 
wrote:



Gary,  I think I would ask the tower company for engineering specs.  Now
you mention a tilt over base/ginpole.   Not gonna happen in a 2 by 2 by 2
base.   I cannot find any information on the tower on line other than a
brief description in that they just started producing after Dayton 2016.
No manual, no drawings, no detailed specs to speak of.

Question to consider:  When it is extended at 31 feet and you have your 45
pounds of rotor and antenna (windload area not known) waving in a brisk,
pre-wx-front breeze...what forces will be exerted 31 feet down the unguyed
tower to the 700 pond base.  Overkill is the preferred build method.  Keep
Redy-Mix in business.

W5RH

Rick Hiller
*The Radio Hotel*  -- W5RH



On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
wrote:


Normal weight concrete is about 145 lb per cu.ft. That is wet weight.
Concrete sold at home centers is dry weight so the yield will be less than
one cu.ft. Straight sack concrete is generally easier than using flyash if
you are creating at home.



If mixing materials by hand from bulk, the old 1,2,3 rule works well to
give 3000 psi or greater. using one bucket or container of portland cement
to 2 containers of sand to 3 containers of coarse aggregate. Of course if
you need air entrainment or want to use a water reducing, set retarding
admixture or super plasticizer you are better off using redi-mix concrete
and ordering it. Air entrainment is not necessary in this climate if the
bulk of concrete is in the ground.



Scott KD5FBA





Scott Medbury

16802 Aprilmont Drive

Sugar Land, TX 77498-1941

smedb...@windstream.net



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Brannan via BVARC
*Sent:* Friday, April 07, 2017 5:13 PM
*To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
*Cc:* Mike Brannan; gasit...@comcast.net; Rick Hiller
*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower
Base??



Carefully check the sack yield.

Normal weight concrete is roughly 145 lbs/cu ft.

Use greater than 3000 psi strength concrete.

Do not add excess water. Rod the stiff mix into place.

Note the 2 x 2 x 2 should be measured at least 6 inches below grade and so
all surfaces are against firm to stiff soil.

That means you will need extra concrete to finish above grade.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Rick Hiller via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

8 cu ft X 90 lbs per = 720 lbs.



31 foot lever moving 720 lbs.doesn't take much moment.



Where's KG5KV when you need him?



RH

Sent from my i-Thingamajig


On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
wrote:

A sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs about 80 pounds
and a cubic foot of concrete weighs from 90 to 96 pounds before water is
added.



Scott KD5FBA



*Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid*

On Apr 7, 2017 2:04 PM, Gary Sitton via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

Rick,

   ALM-31 is new product so I don't have the specs.
yet,  but it's extruded 6061-T6 Alum. and will weigh
~200 lbs. with the beam and rotator.  I would not
need or want to fold it over fully extended!  My
handy guy said he'll do it for $500: materials, hole,
frame, re-bar and pour.  Seems a bit high, but it's
turn-key and he's very meticulous.  I probably could
save some money by having a less skilled person
dig and prepare the square hole.  Bell-bottoming
is a great idea however!  Attached is picture of my
homebrew common mode coax choke for the beam.

73s,
Gary Sitton, K5AMH
gasit...@comcast.net

On 4/7/2017 12:59, Rick Hiller via BVARC wrote:

Gary,

I'm surprised that a crank up fold over only specifies 2x2x2.   Yards maybe 
but not feet.  Heck, Rohn 25 needs more than that. GL.Rick


W5RH



Sent from my i-Thingamajig



On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Bruce via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> 
<bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:




might want a little extra redi mix in case you bell bottom the hole or come 
above the ground level.




73...bruce



Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> 
<bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:




Hello,



I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of

readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked on the bag ) is one

cubic foot. Eight bags should fill the 2X2X2 hole.



A cubic yard would take 27 sacks at one cubic foot each.



73,



Sam Neal  N5AF





Tower guys:





 I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a



US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tow

Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

[Rick Hiller -- W5RH via BVARC]

Gary,  I think I would ask the tower company for engineering specs.  Now
you mention a tilt over base/ginpole.   Not gonna happen in a 2 by 2 by 2
base.   I cannot find any information on the tower on line other than a
brief description in that they just started producing after Dayton 2016.
No manual, no drawings, no detailed specs to speak of.

Question to consider:  When it is extended at 31 feet and you have your 45
pounds of rotor and antenna (windload area not known) waving in a brisk,
pre-wx-front breeze...what forces will be exerted 31 feet down the unguyed
tower to the 700 pond base.  Overkill is the preferred build method.  Keep
Redy-Mix in business.

W5RH

Rick Hiller
*The Radio Hotel*  -- W5RH



On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
wrote:

> Normal weight concrete is about 145 lb per cu.ft. That is wet weight.
> Concrete sold at home centers is dry weight so the yield will be less than
> one cu.ft. Straight sack concrete is generally easier than using flyash if
> you are creating at home.
>
>
>
> If mixing materials by hand from bulk, the old 1,2,3 rule works well to
> give 3000 psi or greater. using one bucket or container of portland cement
> to 2 containers of sand to 3 containers of coarse aggregate. Of course if
> you need air entrainment or want to use a water reducing, set retarding
> admixture or super plasticizer you are better off using redi-mix concrete
> and ordering it. Air entrainment is not necessary in this climate if the
> bulk of concrete is in the ground.
>
>
>
> Scott KD5FBA
>
>
>
>
>
> Scott Medbury
>
> 16802 Aprilmont Drive
>
> Sugar Land, TX 77498-1941
>
> smedb...@windstream.net
>
>
>
> *From:* BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike
> Brannan via BVARC
> *Sent:* Friday, April 07, 2017 5:13 PM
> *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
> *Cc:* Mike Brannan; gasit...@comcast.net; Rick Hiller
> *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower
> Base??
>
>
>
> Carefully check the sack yield.
>
> Normal weight concrete is roughly 145 lbs/cu ft.
>
> Use greater than 3000 psi strength concrete.
>
> Do not add excess water. Rod the stiff mix into place.
>
> Note the 2 x 2 x 2 should be measured at least 6 inches below grade and so
> all surfaces are against firm to stiff soil.
>
> That means you will need extra concrete to finish above grade.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Rick Hiller via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
>
> 8 cu ft X 90 lbs per = 720 lbs.
>
>
>
> 31 foot lever moving 720 lbs.doesn't take much moment.
>
>
>
> Where's KG5KV when you need him?
>
>
>
> RH
>
> Sent from my i-Thingamajig
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
> wrote:
>
> A sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs about 80 pounds
> and a cubic foot of concrete weighs from 90 to 96 pounds before water is
> added.
>
>
>
> Scott KD5FBA
>
>
>
> *Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid*
>
> On Apr 7, 2017 2:04 PM, Gary Sitton via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
>ALM-31 is new product so I don't have the specs.
> yet,  but it's extruded 6061-T6 Alum. and will weigh
> ~200 lbs. with the beam and rotator.  I would not
> need or want to fold it over fully extended!  My
> handy guy said he'll do it for $500: materials, hole,
> frame, re-bar and pour.  Seems a bit high, but it's
> turn-key and he's very meticulous.  I probably could
> save some money by having a less skilled person
> dig and prepare the square hole.  Bell-bottoming
> is a great idea however!  Attached is picture of my
> homebrew common mode coax choke for the beam.
>
> 73s,
> Gary Sitton, K5AMH
> gasit...@comcast.net
>
> On 4/7/2017 12:59, Rick Hiller via BVARC wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
> I'm surprised that a crank up fold over only specifies 2x2x2.   Yards maybe 
> but not feet.  Heck, Rohn 25 needs more than that. GL.Rick
>
> W5RH
>
>
>
> Sent from my i-Thingamajig
>
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Bruce via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> 
> <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> might want a little extra redi mix in case you bell bottom the hole or come 
> above the ground level.
>
>
>
> 73...bruce
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> 
> <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of
>
> readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked 

Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

[Scott Medbury via BVARC]

Normal weight concrete is about 145 lb per cu.ft. That is wet weight. Concrete 
sold at home centers is dry weight so the yield will be less than one cu.ft. 
Straight sack concrete is generally easier than using flyash if you are 
creating at home.

 

If mixing materials by hand from bulk, the old 1,2,3 rule works well to give 
3000 psi or greater. using one bucket or container of portland cement to 2 
containers of sand to 3 containers of coarse aggregate. Of course if you need 
air entrainment or want to use a water reducing, set retarding admixture or 
super plasticizer you are better off using redi-mix concrete and ordering it. 
Air entrainment is not necessary in this climate if the bulk of concrete is in 
the ground.

 

Scott KD5FBA

 

 

Scott Medbury

16802 Aprilmont Drive

Sugar Land, TX 77498-1941

smedb...@windstream.net

 

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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 5:13 PM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
Cc: Mike Brannan; gasit...@comcast.net; Rick Hiller
Subject: Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

 

Carefully check the sack yield. 

Normal weight concrete is roughly 145 lbs/cu ft. 

Use greater than 3000 psi strength concrete. 

Do not add excess water. Rod the stiff mix into place. 

Note the 2 x 2 x 2 should be measured at least 6 inches below grade and so all 
surfaces are against firm to stiff soil. 

That means you will need extra concrete to finish above grade.  

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Rick Hiller via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

8 cu ft X 90 lbs per = 720 lbs. 

 

31 foot lever moving 720 lbs.doesn't take much moment.

 

Where's KG5KV when you need him?

 

RH

Sent from my i-Thingamajig


On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

A sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs about 80 pounds and a 
cubic foot of concrete weighs from 90 to 96 pounds before water is added.

 

Scott KD5FBA

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid

On Apr 7, 2017 2:04 PM, Gary Sitton via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

Rick,

   ALM-31 is new product so I don't have the specs.
yet,  but it's extruded 6061-T6 Alum. and will weigh 
~200 lbs. with the beam and rotator.  I would not 
need or want to fold it over fully extended!  My
handy guy said he'll do it for $500: materials, hole, 
frame, re-bar and pour.  Seems a bit high, but it's 
turn-key and he's very meticulous.  I probably could
save some money by having a less skilled person
dig and prepare the square hole.  Bell-bottoming
is a great idea however!  Attached is picture of my
homebrew common mode coax choke for the beam.

73s, 
Gary Sitton, K5AMH 
gasit...@comcast.net 

On 4/7/2017 12:59, Rick Hiller via BVARC wrote:

Gary,
I'm surprised that a crank up fold over only specifies 2x2x2.   Yards maybe but 
not feet.  Heck, Rohn 25 needs more than that. GL.Rick
W5RH
 
Sent from my i-Thingamajig
 

On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Bruce via BVARC  <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> 
<bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
 
might want a little extra redi mix in case you bell bottom the hole or come 
above the ground level. 
 
73...bruce
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC  <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> 
<bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
 
Hello,
 
I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of
readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked on the bag ) is one
cubic foot. Eight bags should fill the 2X2X2 hole.
 
A cubic yard would take 27 sacks at one cubic foot each.
 
73,
 
Sam Neal  N5AF

 
Tower guys:
 
 
 I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a
 
US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower
 
for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'
 
(about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does
 
anyone have a suggestion regarding someone
 
to dig and fill the hole?
 
 
 I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work
 
done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a
 
double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really
 
dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no
 
concrete experience and you only get one chance
 
at a good pour.
 
 
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Re: [BVARC] Need Concrete/Hole work done for a light Tower Base??

[Mike Brannan via BVARC]

Carefully check the sack yield. 
Normal weight concrete is roughly 145 lbs/cu ft. 
Use greater than 3000 psi strength concrete. 
Do not add excess water. Rod the stiff mix into place. 
Note the 2 x 2 x 2 should be measured at least 6 inches below grade and so all 
surfaces are against firm to stiff soil. 
That means you will need extra concrete to finish above grade.  

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> On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Rick Hiller via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> 8 cu ft X 90 lbs per = 720 lbs. 
> 
> 31 foot lever moving 720 lbs.doesn't take much moment.
> 
> Where's KG5KV when you need him?
> 
> RH
> 
> Sent from my i-Thingamajig
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC  wrote:
>> 
>> A sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs about 80 pounds and 
>> a cubic foot of concrete weighs from 90 to 96 pounds before water is added.
>> 
>> Scott KD5FBA
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
>> On Apr 7, 2017 2:04 PM, Gary Sitton via BVARC  wrote:
>> Rick,
>> 
>>ALM-31 is new product so I don't have the specs.
>> yet,  but it's extruded 6061-T6 Alum. and will weigh 
>> ~200 lbs. with the beam and rotator.  I would not 
>> need or want to fold it over fully extended!  My
>> handy guy said he'll do it for $500: materials, hole, 
>> frame, re-bar and pour.  Seems a bit high, but it's 
>> turn-key and he's very meticulous.  I probably could
>> save some money by having a less skilled person
>> dig and prepare the square hole.  Bell-bottoming
>> is a great idea however!  Attached is picture of my
>> homebrew common mode coax choke for the beam.
>> 
>> 73s, 
>> Gary Sitton, K5AMH 
>> gasit...@comcast.net 
>> 
>> On 4/7/2017 12:59, Rick Hiller via BVARC wrote:
>> Gary,
>> I'm surprised that a crank up fold over only specifies 2x2x2.   Yards maybe 
>> but not feet.  Heck, Rohn 25 needs more than that. GL.Rick
>> W5RH
>> 
>> Sent from my i-Thingamajig
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Bruce via BVARC  wrote:
>> 
>> might want a little extra redi mix in case you bell bottom the hole or come 
>> above the ground level. 
>> 
>> 73...bruce
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of
>> readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked on the bag ) is one
>> cubic foot. Eight bags should fill the 2X2X2 hole.
>> 
>> A cubic yard would take 27 sacks at one cubic foot each.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Sam Neal  N5AF
>> 
>> 
>> Tower guys:
>> 
>> 
>>  I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a
>> 
>> US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower
>> 
>> for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'
>> 
>> (about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does
>> 
>> anyone have a suggestion regarding someone
>> 
>> to dig and fill the hole?
>> 
>> 
>>  I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work
>> 
>> done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a
>> 
>> double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really
>> 
>> dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no
>> 
>> concrete experience and you only get one chance
>> 
>> at a good pour.
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[Rick Hiller via BVARC]

8 cu ft X 90 lbs per = 720 lbs. 

31 foot lever moving 720 lbs.doesn't take much moment.

Where's KG5KV when you need him?

RH

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> On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Scott Medbury via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> A sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs about 80 pounds and a 
> cubic foot of concrete weighs from 90 to 96 pounds before water is added.
> 
> Scott KD5FBA
> 
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
> On Apr 7, 2017 2:04 PM, Gary Sitton via BVARC  wrote:
> Rick,
> 
>ALM-31 is new product so I don't have the specs.
> yet,  but it's extruded 6061-T6 Alum. and will weigh 
> ~200 lbs. with the beam and rotator.  I would not 
> need or want to fold it over fully extended!  My
> handy guy said he'll do it for $500: materials, hole, 
> frame, re-bar and pour.  Seems a bit high, but it's 
> turn-key and he's very meticulous.  I probably could
> save some money by having a less skilled person
> dig and prepare the square hole.  Bell-bottoming
> is a great idea however!  Attached is picture of my
> homebrew common mode coax choke for the beam.
> 
> 73s, 
> Gary Sitton, K5AMH 
> gasit...@comcast.net 
> 
> On 4/7/2017 12:59, Rick Hiller via BVARC wrote:
> Gary,
> I'm surprised that a crank up fold over only specifies 2x2x2.   Yards maybe 
> but not feet.  Heck, Rohn 25 needs more than that. GL.Rick
> W5RH
> 
> Sent from my i-Thingamajig
> 
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Bruce via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> might want a little extra redi mix in case you bell bottom the hole or come 
> above the ground level. 
> 
> 73...bruce
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of
> readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked on the bag ) is one
> cubic foot. Eight bags should fill the 2X2X2 hole.
> 
> A cubic yard would take 27 sacks at one cubic foot each.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Sam Neal  N5AF
> 
> 
> Tower guys:
> 
> 
>  I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a
> 
> US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower
> 
> for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'
> 
> (about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does
> 
> anyone have a suggestion regarding someone
> 
> to dig and fill the hole?
> 
> 
>  I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work
> 
> done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a
> 
> double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really
> 
> dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no
> 
> concrete experience and you only get one chance
> 
> at a good pour.
> 
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[Scott Medbury via BVARC]

A sack of sackrete is less than 1 cubic foot. It weighs about 80 pounds and a cubic foot of concrete weighs from 90 to 96 pounds before water is added.Scott KD5FBASent from my Verizon 4G LTE DroidOn Apr 7, 2017 2:04 PM, Gary Sitton via BVARC  wrote:
  

  
  
Rick,
  
     ALM-31 is new product so I don't have the specs.
  yet,  but it's extruded 6061-T6 Alum. and will weigh 
  ~200 lbs. with the beam and rotator.  I would not 
  need or want to fold it over fully extended!  My
  handy guy said he'll do it for $500: materials, hole, 
  frame, re-bar and pour.  Seems a bit high, but it's 
  turn-key and he's very meticulous.  I probably could
  save some money by having a less skilled person
  dig and prepare the square hole.  Bell-bottoming
  is a great idea however!  Attached is picture of my
  homebrew common mode coax choke for the beam.
  
  73s, 
   Gary Sitton, K5AMH 
gasitton@comcast.net 

  On 4/7/2017 12:59, Rick Hiller via BVARC wrote:


  Gary,
I'm surprised that a crank up fold over only specifies 2x2x2.   Yards maybe but not feet.  Heck, Rohn 25 needs more than that. GL.Rick
W5RH

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On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Bruce via BVARC  wrote:

might want a little extra redi mix in case you bell bottom the hole or come above the ground level. 

73...bruce

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On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC  wrote:

Hello,

I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of
readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked on the bag ) is one
cubic foot. Eight bags should fill the 2X2X2 hole.

A cubic yard would take 27 sacks at one cubic foot each.

73,

Sam Neal  N5AF


Tower guys:


 I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a

US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower

for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'

(about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does

anyone have a suggestion regarding someone

to dig and fill the hole?


 I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work

done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a

double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really

dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no

concrete experience and you only get one chance

at a good pour.


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[Rick Hiller via BVARC]

Gary,
I'm surprised that a crank up fold over only specifies 2x2x2.   Yards maybe but 
not feet.  Heck, Rohn 25 needs more than that. GL.Rick
W5RH

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> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Bruce via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> might want a little extra redi mix in case you bell bottom the hole or come 
> above the ground level. 
> 
> 73...bruce
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of
> readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked on the bag ) is one
> cubic foot. Eight bags should fill the 2X2X2 hole.
> 
> A cubic yard would take 27 sacks at one cubic foot each.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Sam Neal  N5AF
> 
> 
> Tower guys:
> 
> 
>  I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a
> 
> US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower
> 
> for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'
> 
> (about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does
> 
> anyone have a suggestion regarding someone
> 
> to dig and fill the hole?
> 
> 
>  I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work
> 
> done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a
> 
> double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really
> 
> dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no
> 
> concrete experience and you only get one chance
> 
> at a good pour.
> 
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[Bruce via BVARC]

might want a little extra redi mix in case you bell bottom the hole or come 
above the ground level. 

73...bruce

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Sam Neal via BVARC  wrote:

Hello,

I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of
readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked on the bag ) is one
cubic foot. Eight bags should fill the 2X2X2 hole.

A cubic yard would take 27 sacks at one cubic foot each.

73,

Sam Neal  N5AF


Tower guys:


  I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a

US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower

for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'

(about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does

anyone have a suggestion regarding someone

to dig and fill the hole?


  I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work

done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a

double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really

dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no

concrete experience and you only get one chance

at a good pour.


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[Sam Neal via BVARC]

Hello,

I'm too far and too old to assist. Just a pointer - if you buy sacks of
readi-mix for your cement, each bag ( should be marked on the bag ) is one
cubic foot. Eight bags should fill the 2X2X2 hole.

A cubic yard would take 27 sacks at one cubic foot each.

73,

Sam Neal  N5AF


Tower guys:


   I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a

US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower

for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'

(about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does

anyone have a suggestion regarding someone

to dig and fill the hole?


   I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work

done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a

double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really

dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no

concrete experience and you only get one chance

at a good pour.


73s,
Gary Sitton, K5AMH
gasit...@comcast.net


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[Gary Sitton via BVARC]

Whoops, 8 cubic feet is about 1/3
of cubic yard of concrete!  Anyway
any suggestions out there?

73s,
Gary Sitton, K5AMH
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On 4/7/2017 10:53, Gary Sitton via BVARC wrote:


Tower guys:


  I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a

US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower

for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'

(about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does

anyone have a suggestion regarding someone

to dig and fill the hole?


  I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work

done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a

double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really

dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no

concrete experience and you only get one chance

at a good pour.


73s,
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[Gary Sitton via BVARC]

Tower guys:


  I'm seriously contemplating and soon buying a

US Towers ALM-31, crank-up, fold-over tower

for my Tex Hex beam which requires a 2' x 2' x 2'

(about a cubic yard) of concrete base.  Does

anyone have a suggestion regarding someone

to dig and fill the hole?


  I will have anchor bolt forms and all re-bar work

done ahead of the dig/pour.  I'm 77 and just had a

double (yes!) hip joint replacement and can't really

dig such a hole nice and square.  Also, I have no

concrete experience and you only get one chance

at a good pour.


73s,
Gary Sitton, K5AMH
gasit...@comcast.net
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