Re: [Callers] "pick her up"

[Don Veino via Callers]

I view this situation generically as akin to talking to the "actives" in a
sequence where there's not enough time to tell everyone what to do in the
call (as opposed to the walk-through).

In this case, the Allemande folks are moving first and therefore "active."
I've used a call of "Gents Allemande Left once and a half, hold on, Ladies
join your Partner for a Star Promenade.." (or the reverse) but it's more
wordy than the "pick up your _"  or "pick 'em up" variant.

In my teaching I try to stress to the "picked up" folks that they are
active participants and it's important to stay aware, facing the right
direction and ready to merge up to speed into the promenade (akin to cars
on an on-ramp) - so all arrive on time for the next bit.

-Don

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> A quick question:
>
> How many callers believe that one role does the majority of the work in a
> courtesy turn or a butterfly whirl? If so, can you explain how the shared
> weight that differs from an allemande?
>
> I've always been taught about shared weight being essential in all contra
> moves, and I guess I'm still surprised when I hear callers prompt "pick her
> up and take her to the other side" as if the person in lady/raven role is
> not giving any weight. (Or similar one-role-biased prompting.)
>
> Thanks,
> Ron Blechner
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Re: [Callers] "pick her up"

[Mac Mckeever via Callers]

I don't recall anyone saying 'whirl her around'.  That would imply the gent is 
not moving - which is not the case.  I usually just say 'butterfly whirl'.  
When I teach, I occasionally show the problem if they let the ladies role do 
all the traveling.
Mac
 

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 2:44:55 PM CST, Ron Blechner 
 wrote:  
 
 Addendum:
Often accompanied by "... And whirl/reel her around" (again, both butterfly 
whirl / courtesy turn / a few other moves).
(Thanks for helping me clarify!)
On Nov 22, 2017 3:21 PM, "Mac Mckeever"  wrote:

I have always considered that terminology to refer to picking up someone as you 
would a hitchhiker, not physically lifting someone.  I don't see it as having 
anything to do with who is doing what work.
Mac McKeever
 

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 2:15:38 PM CST, Ron Blechner via Callers 
 wrote:  
 
 A quick question:
How many callers believe that one role does the majority of the work in a 
courtesy turn or a butterfly whirl? If so, can you explain how the shared 
weight that differs from an allemande?
I've always been taught about shared weight being essential in all contra 
moves, and I guess I'm still surprised when I hear callers prompt "pick her up 
and take her to the other side" as if the person in lady/raven role is not 
giving any weight. (Or similar one-role-biased prompting.)
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Re: [Callers] "pick her up"

[Cary Ravitz via Callers]

I wouldn't say that one role does more work than the other, but courtesy
turn and butterfly whirl are asymmetric and led by the person who backs up.
The person that is backing up can easily apply a speed up pressure to
control the speed of the turn. For the dancer that is going forward, it's
hard to give a speed up pressure when your hand is behind the other person
and that person is going backward. You can't pull because there is nothing
to grip.

The above assumes that the common way to follow is start out slow and speed
up to match the leader.

Allemandes are symmetric, both roles are identical, so the speed must
negotiated. This works best when both dancers are good at timing.

"Pick up your partner/neighbor, star promenade, whirl" is my call.

Cary Ravitz
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Re: [Callers] "pick her up"

[Ron Blechner via Callers]

Addendum:

Often accompanied by "... And whirl/reel her around" (again, both butterfly
whirl / courtesy turn / a few other moves).

(Thanks for helping me clarify!)

On Nov 22, 2017 3:21 PM, "Mac Mckeever"  wrote:

> I have always considered that terminology to refer to picking up someone
> as you would a hitchhiker, not physically lifting someone.  I don't see it
> as having anything to do with who is doing what work.
>
> Mac McKeever
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 2:15:38 PM CST, Ron Blechner via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> A quick question:
>
> How many callers believe that one role does the majority of the work in a
> courtesy turn or a butterfly whirl? If so, can you explain how the shared
> weight that differs from an allemande?
>
> I've always been taught about shared weight being essential in all contra
> moves, and I guess I'm still surprised when I hear callers prompt "pick her
> up and take her to the other side" as if the person in lady/raven role is
> not giving any weight. (Or similar one-role-biased prompting.)
>
> Thanks,
> Ron Blechner
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Re: [Callers] "pick her up"

[Mac Mckeever via Callers]

I have always considered that terminology to refer to picking up someone as you 
would a hitchhiker, not physically lifting someone.  I don't see it as having 
anything to do with who is doing what work.
Mac McKeever
 

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 2:15:38 PM CST, Ron Blechner via Callers 
 wrote:  
 
 A quick question:
How many callers believe that one role does the majority of the work in a 
courtesy turn or a butterfly whirl? If so, can you explain how the shared 
weight that differs from an allemande?
I've always been taught about shared weight being essential in all contra 
moves, and I guess I'm still surprised when I hear callers prompt "pick her up 
and take her to the other side" as if the person in lady/raven role is not 
giving any weight. (Or similar one-role-biased prompting.)
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[Callers] "pick her up"

[Ron Blechner via Callers]

A quick question:

How many callers believe that one role does the majority of the work in a
courtesy turn or a butterfly whirl? If so, can you explain how the shared
weight that differs from an allemande?

I've always been taught about shared weight being essential in all contra
moves, and I guess I'm still surprised when I hear callers prompt "pick her
up and take her to the other side" as if the person in lady/raven role is
not giving any weight. (Or similar one-role-biased prompting.)

Thanks,
Ron Blechner
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