Re: [Cameramakers] Re: Bellows making (Urethane!)

2001-03-21 Thread ERBEN COOK III

Robert Mueller wrote:
 
 I do not know whether I have access to anything similar to the "PL" Roof
 and Flashing Sealant but I doubt if I would use it even if I could buy it
 unless I received a pretty secure guarantee of a long lifetime.  Urethane
 foam is one of the worst materials which have ever been introduced into
 cameras.  This is the stuff which changes into mud after cameras exceed a
 certain age.  Removing and replacing this junk is a terrible task and I am
 sure many otherwise fine cameras have landed in the scrap heap on account
 of the costs it causes to have a repairman spend much time cleaning up the
 camera before replacing the foam.  A fantastic initial bond followed by
 self destruction after a decade or so is no solution in a case where only a
 moderate strength bond is needed, though for at least my remaining life on
 earth (estimated at 20 to 30 years!)
 
 Perhaps the problem has been solved in modern urethane, but I have never
 heard anybody admit there has ever been a problem so I don't expect any
 assurance it will never happen again.  Until you have that assurance,
 consider the sinking feeling when you find your work reduced to a paste
 impregnated bag by decay of the cement.
 
 Bob
 
 Dr. Robert Mueller
 Institut fr Festkrperforschung, FZ-Juelich
 D-52425 Juelich, Germany
 phone: + 49 2461 61 4550   FAX: + 49 2461 61 2610
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The urethane sealant is not a foam but a solid rubber.  Makes an
adhesive seal as opposed to the occlusive non-adhesive seal of silicone.
Same stuff is used in industry to seal expansion joints in concrete
walls and to seal cracks in pavement so I would guess people have faith
in its durability.  Seems like it ought to be good for sealing cameras.

Erben
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Re: [Cameramakers] Re: Bellows making (Urethane!)

2001-03-21 Thread Don Feinberg

 
 The urethane sealant is not a foam but a solid rubber.  Makes an
 adhesive seal as opposed to the occlusive non-adhesive seal of silicone.
 Same stuff is used in industry to seal expansion joints in concrete
 walls and to seal cracks in pavement so I would guess people have faith
 in its durability.  Seems like it ought to be good for sealing cameras.
 

I've used it to seal pinholes in an enlarger bellows with good results.

Don Feinberg
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[Cameramakers] Re: Bellows making (Urethane!)

2001-03-18 Thread Robert Mueller

I do not know whether I have access to anything similar to the "PL" Roof
and Flashing Sealant but I doubt if I would use it even if I could buy it
unless I received a pretty secure guarantee of a long lifetime.  Urethane
foam is one of the worst materials which have ever been introduced into
cameras.  This is the stuff which changes into mud after cameras exceed a
certain age.  Removing and replacing this junk is a terrible task and I am
sure many otherwise fine cameras have landed in the scrap heap on account
of the costs it causes to have a repairman spend much time cleaning up the
camera before replacing the foam.  A fantastic initial bond followed by
self destruction after a decade or so is no solution in a case where only a
moderate strength bond is needed, though for at least my remaining life on
earth (estimated at 20 to 30 years!)

Perhaps the problem has been solved in modern urethane, but I have never
heard anybody admit there has ever been a problem so I don't expect any
assurance it will never happen again.  Until you have that assurance,
consider the sinking feeling when you find your work reduced to a paste
impregnated bag by decay of the cement.

Bob

Dr. Robert Mueller
Institut fr Festkrperforschung, FZ-Juelich
D-52425 Juelich, Germany
phone: + 49 2461 61 4550   FAX: + 49 2461 61 2610
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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