Re: [Catalyst] Single-domain multi-shop, multi-gateway; linked to the one shopping-cart
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Denny 2...@denny.me wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 02:38 +1100, Alec Taylor wrote: Good morning, How would I go about integrating/developing a multi-levelled meta-shopping-cart using Catalyst? [ ... ] Thanks for all suggestions, On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 15:53 +1100, Alec Taylor wrote: Good afternoon, How would I go about building a single-domain multi-shop with multiple-gateways; linked to the one shopping-cart; using Catalyst? Thanks for all suggestions, Hi Alec, My suggestion is that you should probably take the following approach: 1. Design the software architecture. 2. Implement the system as designed. 3. Test it thoroughly. If you're not sure how to proceed with any of those steps, then given that you seem to be talking about building a very large-scale commercial application, and you haven't mentioned it being open source, I would suggest that you should probably hire someone who does know how to do it and pay them appropriately. If you get stuck at specific technical points in step 2 or 3 then I'm sure people on this list will be very happy to give you some guidance, but if you've not even made a start on step 1 then I think you have some work to do for yourself first - or some hiring to do. Regards, Denny Thanks for the suggestion Denny. We definitely support open-source, but haven't yet discussed which components we'll open-source. Currently we are looking for a good starting base, with a lot of the development already done for us; then we'll build up from that foundation. Research includes: Ruby on Rails (spree), DJango (satchmo) and Catalyst. Could you recommend some libraries on CPAN (or other places) which will provide a strong foundation for this project? Thanks for all suggestions, Alec Taylor ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Single-domain multi-shop, multi-gateway; linked to the one shopping-cart
On 06/12/2011, at 7:07 PM, Alec Taylor wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Denny 2...@denny.me wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 02:38 +1100, Alec Taylor wrote: Good morning, How would I go about integrating/developing a multi-levelled meta-shopping-cart using Catalyst? [ ... ] Thanks for all suggestions, Disclaimer: My total experience with web shopping is having looked into the turnkey php solutions for an abortive project some time ago. As denny says, it's a matter of spending the time to figure out what you want in terms of planning and then spending more time writing the code. Catalyst buys you flexibility, although the learning curve is probably steeper than other web frameworks. However, as any emacs user will tell you, a steep learning curve is often a benefit. Once you've spent the setup time, what you're asking for is pretty easy, given that you have the programmer resources to actually achieve your specification (that's up to you to figure out) The bulk of the work in Catalyst apps is setting up and maintaining the business logic, and resisting the temptation to shove all of your business logic into controllers. So what you probably want is a nice pluggable architecture to handle the payment stuff (chapter 4 of The Definitive Guide to Catalyst gives an implementation for this). So for your use-case you can probably extend the sql schema for an existing shopping cart app to make it multi-gateway, and then get DBIx::Class to understand it via DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader (you'll probably have to do this iteratively with a dummy payment gateway model in the early stages). That will provide you with the model for your user/order system. You'll need to evaluate the quality of the payment gateway models to do that. At this point you need to start thinking about integrating existing CPAN modules into your app, preferably using a pluggable architecture, probably using Catayst::Model::Adaptor or it's variants (although writing your own model from scratch is pretty trivial as well). CPAN has a lot of payment gateway stuff on it. Have a look here for details: https://metacpan.org/search?q=business+payment Then there's the writing templates, and Controllers to provide the front-end. This is pretty routine work. If you end up using one of the turnkey solutions, you'll spend lots of time bending their existing html to your will. Writing your own templates (and stealing appropriately from elsewhere) will buy you more flexibility, and in the long run will cost you little or no extra time. If you have no existing preferences for a templating language Template Toolkit (https://metacpan.org/module/Template) works well. My other prefrerence is to use CSS frameworks to do the clean-design stuff for me. At the moment my preference is for the Elastic framework. The overriding philosophy of Catalyst is that building a web app is for life, not just for making a blog engine in 5 minutes. To my understanding Catalyst's major advantages are that it scales better than its competition (without using unreasonable hardware requirements or having programmers hack on it's core), and it's more flexible than its competition as well. On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 15:53 +1100, Alec Taylor wrote: Good afternoon, How would I go about building a single-domain multi-shop with multiple-gateways; linked to the one shopping-cart; using Catalyst? Thanks for all suggestions, Hi Alec, My suggestion is that you should probably take the following approach: 1. Design the software architecture. 2. Implement the system as designed. 3. Test it thoroughly. If you're not sure how to proceed with any of those steps, then given that you seem to be talking about building a very large-scale commercial application, and you haven't mentioned it being open source, I would suggest that you should probably hire someone who does know how to do it and pay them appropriately. If you get stuck at specific technical points in step 2 or 3 then I'm sure people on this list will be very happy to give you some guidance, but if you've not even made a start on step 1 then I think you have some work to do for yourself first - or some hiring to do. Regards, Denny Thanks for the suggestion Denny. We definitely support open-source, but haven't yet discussed which components we'll open-source. Currently we are looking for a good starting base, with a lot of the development already done for us; then we'll build up from that foundation. Research includes: Ruby on Rails (spree), DJango (satchmo) and Catalyst. Could you recommend some libraries on CPAN (or other places) which will provide a strong foundation for this project? Thanks for all suggestions, Alec Taylor ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive:
Re: [Catalyst] Single-domain multi-shop, multi-gateway; linked to the one shopping-cart
On 6 Dec 2011, at 08:07, Alec Taylor wrote: Currently we are looking for a good starting base, with a lot of the development already done for us; then we'll build up from that foundation. Research includes: Ruby on Rails (spree), DJango (satchmo) and Catalyst. Use whatever the development team you're putting together knows most about and has experience of developing and using in production already. If everyone involved is picking up a new language and framework(s), then _a lot_ of your initial code is going to be crappy. It isn't worth making this technology choice until you know who's going to actually implement this. If you're making the technology choice, and you haven't got production experience building and maintaining large scale web apps on one of the platforms you're picking from - then you're the wrong person to be making that choice. Cheers t0m ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Single-domain multi-shop, multi-gateway; linked to the one shopping-cart
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/2011, at 9:06 PM, Tomas Doran wrote: If you're making the technology choice, and you haven't got production experience building and maintaining large scale web apps on one of the platforms you're picking from - then you're the wrong person to be making that choice. I'd be less absolute than that. I'd say *probably* the wrong person. I am building this project with one other person. Neither off us have experience with web-frameworks. I've done some work with CGI Python in the past (building a minuscule social-network with video-conferencing), but mostly my talent lies in C++. The other is mostly a low-level C, C++ and Assembly coder, although has done some work with graphics libraries in C++. The reason I am asking on mailing-lists is in order to gain information from people who are knowledgeable on this. Thanks Kieren for your suggestions related to implementation. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Single-domain multi-shop, multi-gateway; linked to the one shopping-cart
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 07:01, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand i think it's all about the libraries. If you're going to have to carve more home grown hand made wheels/libraries with python, then that's going to be a massive pain too. Ymmv. i don't know what python has to offer. however, i would think there are probably some decent mvc web frameworks in python. also, i would consider the framework an afterthought if you already have the programmer - if i have a hammer, i can build a house or smash my finger, it all depends on me and not the hammer. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Single-domain multi-shop, multi-gateway; linked to the one shopping-cart
I used Wt for one project, it's great but has nowhere near enough to be useful as a web-framework. (i.e. I'd have to manually code in everything from authentication to payment gateways) On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Denny 2...@denny.me wrote: On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 22:06 +1100, Alec Taylor wrote: I am building this project with one other person. Neither off us have experience with web-frameworks. I've done some work with CGI Python in the past (building a minuscule social-network with video-conferencing), but mostly my talent lies in C++. The other is mostly a low-level C, C++ and Assembly coder, although has done some work with graphics libraries in C++. There's a C++ webdev framework: http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt#/ At a brief glance it sounds like it might be quite well-suited to what you want to do. Regards, Denny ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Single-domain multi-shop, multi-gateway; linked to the one shopping-cart
Alec Taylor wrote: Research includes: Ruby on Rails (spree), DJango (satchmo) and Catalyst. You might want to look at Interchange (http://www.icdevgroup.org/i/dev). It's a Perl ecommerce framework somewhat like MIVA. Unfortunately, that project is in the midst of a major change. The current code base, 5.6, will be replaced in 6.x by a much more Catalyst-like architecture, meaning you'd have to do a rewrite of your 5.x based project to make use of the PSGI-based goodness. Given that you said you had Python experience, I'd suggest browsing around PyPI for interesting Django add-ons: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ Could you recommend some libraries on CPAN (or other places) which will provide a strong foundation for this project? I like Business::OnlinePayment, but it's not yet Moosified and uses the old object model in Perl. Thanks for all suggestions, Alec Taylor Richard Siddall ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Single-domain multi-shop, multi-gateway; linked to the one shopping-cart
On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 02:38 +1100, Alec Taylor wrote: Good morning, How would I go about integrating/developing a multi-levelled meta-shopping-cart using Catalyst? [ ... ] Thanks for all suggestions, On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 15:53 +1100, Alec Taylor wrote: Good afternoon, How would I go about building a single-domain multi-shop with multiple-gateways; linked to the one shopping-cart; using Catalyst? Thanks for all suggestions, Hi Alec, My suggestion is that you should probably take the following approach: 1. Design the software architecture. 2. Implement the system as designed. 3. Test it thoroughly. If you're not sure how to proceed with any of those steps, then given that you seem to be talking about building a very large-scale commercial application, and you haven't mentioned it being open source, I would suggest that you should probably hire someone who does know how to do it and pay them appropriately. If you get stuck at specific technical points in step 2 or 3 then I'm sure people on this list will be very happy to give you some guidance, but if you've not even made a start on step 1 then I think you have some work to do for yourself first - or some hiring to do. Regards, Denny ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
