RE: [Catalyst] Catalyst Book
Hi, I just started reading the book, I can do a review. Let me know where/when/how long. Cheers, Laurent Dami -Message d'origine- De : Kieren Diment [mailto:dim...@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi, 28. août 2009 11:15 À : The elegant MVC web framework Objet : [Catalyst] Catalyst Book Who wants to write a review of the book for slashdot? ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Book
On 28/08/2009, at 10:17 PM, Dami Laurent (PJ) wrote: Hi, I just started reading the book, I can do a review. Let me know where/when/how long. Cheers, Laurent Dami Well in this case I specifically want to see it reviewed on slashdot, because it's a big popular website (still) and slashcode is in a way one of Catalyst's ancestors. But in general the more reviews the better in any case (e.g. Amazon.com, or on your blog). ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
On 5 Feb 2008, at 13:40, Matt Rosin wrote: Also a good way to get code demos perhaps. *ahem* 08:16 @kd purl, catalyst examples? 08:16 purl somebody said catalyst examples was http:// dev.catalystframework.org/svnweb/Catalyst/browse/trunk/examples or svn co http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/repos/Catalyst/trunk/examples/ More examples welcome. ping me on irc if you want something committed to the repository. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
*ahem* Oops! Sorry. Will come back maybe when head rises above sea level. Matt ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
Also a good way to get code demos perhaps. Matt R. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
On Friday 01 February 2008 16:20, Jonathan Rockway wrote: some people have done similar things. maybe take a look here http://www.greenteapress.com/ they've written free books under GNU license and they charge only for printed copies just as you say. * On Fri, Feb 01 2008, Matt Rosin wrote: Possibly companies that wish to give back to open source could contribute to a professional documentation fund. In this case digital publication will enable the money to be used most efficiently. Yes, this is a good idea. We were talking about this on #moose yesterday and the idea of having TPF fund book writing via grants might be a good way to get docs. The author gets $2000 for writing a half-length book (say, 150 pages), the community gets a freely-licensed book to do whatever they want with. If you want a printed copy, you can donate money (say, $10) back to TPF. I will probably look into this more seriously in the near future. Right now this is pure fantasy :) Regards, Jonathan Rockway ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
Possibly companies that wish to give back to open source could contribute to a professional documentation fund. In this case digital publication will enable the money to be used most efficiently. Such a project could have a project owner and other contributors, including those who contribute text and others who provide brief notes on their own cases. In there, someone who is an experienced editor. I am right now on a business trip in Sweden learning a new piece of industrial software, which is used by lots of big companies. Turns out a lot of the knowledge is locked in people's heads and one result is that much time is spent on seminars. Some is okay but having docs to digest in advance could save time and money. If a project is going to be rolled out across other offices then writing docs early could save money later. I don't know if this is applicable to Catalyst but possibly it is when training a development team to get them up to speed more quickly. Writing documentation can be a learning experience but it is critical to have an expert provide the focus and approach. Perhaps that could be outlined sparsely and have others flesh it out with supervision by the expert. $60K for a book sounds like a nice deal. I recently worked on translating a book on FindBugs, a cool sourceforge project that finds bugs in Java code (wish one existed for Perl!) for a commercial publisher (ASCII) for the Japanese market, just editing it was a big job. I don't know if it would attract enough people but I would likely buy digital books on Catalyst. My two cents. Matt R. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
* On Fri, Feb 01 2008, Matt Rosin wrote: Possibly companies that wish to give back to open source could contribute to a professional documentation fund. In this case digital publication will enable the money to be used most efficiently. Yes, this is a good idea. We were talking about this on #moose yesterday and the idea of having TPF fund book writing via grants might be a good way to get docs. The author gets $2000 for writing a half-length book (say, 150 pages), the community gets a freely-licensed book to do whatever they want with. If you want a printed copy, you can donate money (say, $10) back to TPF. I will probably look into this more seriously in the near future. Right now this is pure fantasy :) Regards, Jonathan Rockway ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:19:22PM -0400, Fernanda Boronat wrote: Hello, forgive my English, I speak Spanish, I would like to know if anyone has the book: Accelerating Perl Web Application Development (Packt Pub.) In digital format (PDF) or any link to be able to download Or ... like the rest of us, you could buy a copy. http://www.packtpub.com/catalyst-perl-web-application/book -- Chisel Wright e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.herlpacker.co.uk/ Screenie or it didn't happen. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
Chisel Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/31/2008 02:40:14 PM: On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:19:22PM -0400, Fernanda Boronat wrote: Hello, forgive my English, I speak Spanish, I would like to know if anyone has the book: Accelerating Perl Web Application Development (Packt Pub.) In digital format (PDF) or any link to be able to download Or ... like the rest of us, you could buy a copy. http://www.packtpub.com/catalyst-perl-web-application/book No idea if he was asking for a pirated version or if he was just looking for a electronic version to buy -- I would hope the second option. -Wade ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
Safari doesn't have it. Although a couple of weeks ago the announced a deal with packt, this title is not on safari. I'm not sure if it ever will become available. Regards, Noe On 1/31/08, Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * On Thu, Jan 31 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chisel Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/31/2008 02:40:14 PM: On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:19:22PM -0400, Fernanda Boronat wrote: Hello, forgive my English, I speak Spanish, I would like to know if anyone has the book: Accelerating Perl Web Application Development (Packt Pub.) In digital format (PDF) or any link to be able to download Or ... like the rest of us, you could buy a copy. http://www.packtpub.com/catalyst-perl-web-application/book No idea if he was asking for a pirated version or if he was just looking for a electronic version to buy -- I would hope the second option. My understanding is that the PDF versions of the book were suffering from piracy problems, so they were pulled. (Not my title specifically, this happened to the publisher before my book came out.) Tragedy of the commons; it only takes one person to fuck it up for everyone else. Safari might have it though. Regards, Jonathan Rockway ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
* On Thu, Jan 31 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chisel Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/31/2008 02:40:14 PM: On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:19:22PM -0400, Fernanda Boronat wrote: Hello, forgive my English, I speak Spanish, I would like to know if anyone has the book: Accelerating Perl Web Application Development (Packt Pub.) In digital format (PDF) or any link to be able to download Or ... like the rest of us, you could buy a copy. http://www.packtpub.com/catalyst-perl-web-application/book No idea if he was asking for a pirated version or if he was just looking for a electronic version to buy -- I would hope the second option. My understanding is that the PDF versions of the book were suffering from piracy problems, so they were pulled. (Not my title specifically, this happened to the publisher before my book came out.) Tragedy of the commons; it only takes one person to fuck it up for everyone else. Safari might have it though. Regards, Jonathan Rockway ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
* On Thu, Jan 31 2008, Noë Snaterse wrote: Safari doesn't have it. Although a couple of weeks ago the announced a deal with packt, this title is not on safari. I'm not sure if it ever will become available. Ah well, a paper copy is better for multitasking anyway. Your screen contains emacs and a web browser, the book contains what you're trying to learn. Books are cheaper than bigger LCDs :) Regards, Jonathan Rockway ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] catalyst book
* On Thu, Jan 31 2008, Evan Carroll wrote: Make a wikibook (obligatory answer). This is a fine idea, and something that I might consider the next time I write a book. But really, I don't *love* writing instruction manuals; it's easy to find something else to do when you're not being paid. Wikibooks generally suffer from bikeshed painting and a lack of coherency. Basically, the barrier of entry is too low, and there's no incentive to do a good job (because someone else will just fix it, right). This results in a product that's only mediocre. If you like writing Wikibooks, knock yourself out. For me, the effort/reward ratio is too low. Everyone should upload their notes when they're learning a framework to wikibooks. Prior to wikibooks, I found that before I finished learning any piece of software I had 50 tomboy's, now I spend the extra effort to just add navigation. This is also fine, but the result is usually a shell script or follow these steps exactly, not a document that increases your understanding of the concepts. Teach a man to fish... and all that. Check out the Moose book for an example. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming_with_Moose It isn't the best thing since sliced bread, or a commercial-grade book but it is free and anyone can improve upon it without any knowledge of a VCS, or a commit bit. The thing about writing a book is that you really need to understand the underlying concepts so you can show the reader what they mean and how they fit together. In the case of the Moose book, you continually ignore parts of Moose that you don't understand (and refuse to understand); this really diminishes the value of the book. Like I say above, it's not coherent, and it doesn't teach anything. perldoc Moose makes for much more enjoyable reading. When writing a book, you should be objective. Document all the features, even the ones you don't use every day. If you're not absolutely sure about how something works, you need to keep researching it until you do understand how it works. Also, save your opinions and this sucks for your blog, and your suggestions for improvement for the Moose mailing list. They have no place in a book. By any means, it is the publisher's decision if they don't want your sale. And justifying yanking your format of choice because of piracy is lame and shitty. I think you are confusing the difference between the words my and your. Personally, I prefer paper books. Much easier on my eyes, and a needed break from staring at my computer screen. Obviously you disagree, and I'm sorry that your needs couldn't be met. If you'd like a book in a different format, I'd be glad to write one for you for $60,000. Doesn't $40 for a paper copy seem more appealing now? Regards, Jonathan Rockway ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
