[cayugabirds-l] 2 great bird trips

[Donna Lee Scott]

Saturday I went looking for Cerulean Warblers at Howland's Island after hearing 
about Sandra's success the day before. I entered via the "iron bridge" off NY 
Rt. 38.  I took the Cayuga Basin Guide's recommended 3 mile walk where you end 
up on Wood Duck Way (Sandra was correct: there is no longer a sign for the 
sharp left-hand turn one should take half way thru the loop).

As soon as I got a little way away from the holiday din of many people & radios 
down by the canal and off into the woods, it was heavenly! Easy walking and 
bird song everywhere! Wood thrushes and Veerys and several sp of warblers and 
many others!  I heard some Ceruleans which I could never see way up in the 
trees and finally saw an immature one over on Wood Duck Way (part of trail with 
all the duck boxes, I presume). Several other songs I am afraid I do not know 
and I could not see the birds singing them in the newly hatched leaves, so I 
just had to enjoy the wonderful sounds in the peaceful woods. I saw a Great 
Crested Flycatcher carrying food items to a hole in a vine-covered dead tree on 
the open meadow part of this loop (the south heading last leg of loop) and I 
saw a Baltimore Oriole constructing its bag-like nest near the end of the loop 
with the bridge in sight.. There were few people out on this loop, and those 
that were there were observing current safety measures. There were two sets of 
horse-back riders, too!

Today, after hearing reports of low-hanging warblers up by Lake Ontario (after 
Dave Nicosia's very helpful warnings to get out there and see them before they 
are gone), I headed north to the West Barrier Bar/Town of Fair Haven Park on 
the lake. Judy T. reported good luck there yesterday and my SFO buddy Dave F. 
gave me directions to get there. I was not disappointed.

Right after parking my car by a picnic table inside the gate, I started seeing 
warblers! I stayed all afternoon and had about 14 sp of warblers and 41 species 
of birds all together. I saw Wilson's, Bay Breasted, Chestnut sided, Black 
Throated Green, Canada and many Magnolias, along with others, most in low 
bushes or short trees! It was really fun and busy trying to follow them all, 
and it was not buggy since there was a nice breeze off Little Sodus Bay. I even 
got to see the red eyes of a few Red-eyed Vireos, since some were low, too. 
Flycatchers and Kingbirds were there.

If you want to go, take Rt. 38 from Auburn to Rt. 370 west, to Rt. 104A east to 
Fair Haven.
As you are just outside Fair Haven, turn left onto West Bay Rd.
Keep going north, then follow a right curve, then a left curve or turn past a 
winery;
You go by a couple marina areas, curve right again and you should be driving 
parallel to Lake Ontario. The park gate is about 1/3 mile. Park outside the 
gate or drive in and pull off road by picnic table/ bay side.
The bushes and trees on the other side of the driveway is where most the 
warblers were seen, altho I saw some in the trees by the bay, too.

On the way back down Rt. 38 I rescued a 5" painted turtle from the road! Quick 
stop and dangerous, but I can't stand to see them smushed in the road.

And if you are thinking of building a cobblestone house, bring your front 
loader and dump truck. This shoreline is made up of heaps of smoothed, roundish 
red, gray and brownish cobble stones!

Happy birding,
Donna

Donna L. Scott
535 Lansing Station Road
Lansing, NY


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[cayugabirds-l] Whippoorwill

[Tobias Dean]

Is this possible? we are listening to it from the woods off Yaple Rd in
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

[Marty Schlabach]

I recommend starting at http://used.addall.com/ when looking for a used book .  
It pulls together used books from many different used book sites. There are 
copies listed there starting at $12.50.

As far as I know, (and I may not be current in knowing what’s happening there), 
the NYS Ag Experiment Station, now known as Cornell AgriTech, is no longer 
selling books formerly published by the Station.

Marty

From: Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes 
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:29 PM
To: Marty Schlabach 
Cc: k...@empireaccess.net; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

That’s the one, Marty!

I was just looking into that to see if they still sell it through the New York 
State Agricultural Experiment Station in Geneva. About 15 years ago, it was 
still available there for $10…

It’s on Amazon for $45… :-(

Thank you!

Sincerely,
Chris



On May 25, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Marty Schlabach 
mailto:m...@cornell.edu>> wrote:

Chris,

Is this the book you had in mind:

https://newcatalog.library.cornell.edu/catalog/1116828
Tortricid fauna of apple in New York (Lepidoptera: Tortricidae)
including an account of apples' occurrence in the state, especially as a 
naturalized plant
by P. J. Chapman and S. E. Lienk ; featuring 96 watercolor paintings ... by 
Haruo Tashiro ... and Joseph Keplinger

Marty
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Interlaken, NY 14847   cell315-521-4315
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From: 
bounce-124653696-3494...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-124653696-3494...@list.cornell.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 5:18 PM
To: k...@empireaccess.net; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

Hi John,

Based upon input from several people (in particular, Stuart Krasnof) over the 
years, the key food resource used by neotropical migrants at the Hawthorn 
Orchard (during normal years) are the larvae of the Tortricidae moth family, 
collectively known as leaf-rollers. This has been a cold year and those larvae 
that I have analyze appeared to be significantly underdeveloped for the time of 
spring.

There’s a great book on Tortricidae moths in New York. I’ll try to dig up the 
title and authors. It was put out by Cornell University Cooperative Extension 
several decades ago.

One other general thought about how the birds know when there’s good food 
supplies at the Hawthorn Orchard (and when there isn’t) has been a frequent 
topic of conversation I’ve had many times with Meena Haribal. Recent studies 
have shown that birds have very finely tuned olfactory receptors (despite 
earlier thoughts that birds, in general, have a poor sense of smell).

If I recall correctly, when plants are under attack by insects, or are being 
damaged, they can release distress chemicals. It is hypothesized that when 
plants are under attack like this, these released distress chemicals may be 
detected in the air by migrating insectivorous birds, which then may descend 
upon an affected plant (or entire region of affected plants (i.e., cuckoos 
descending upon forests under attack by gypsy moths or tent caterpillars) to 
eat the insects, thus being beneficial to the plant and for the foraging birds.

I would appreciate any more insight others may have on this topic.

Hope this limited understanding helps, John!

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

Sent from my iPhone



On May 25, 2020, at 16:10, 
"k...@empireaccess.net" 
mailto:k...@empireaccess.net>> wrote:
With all the neat birds reported annually from Hawthorne Orchard I wondered if 
anyone has studied the diet that attracts them or observed and followed up on 
the food they were getting? We know from the books that several species of 
moths are associated with Hawthorne and not sure what other caterpillars 
insects or other food sources there are drawing the birds. Anyone?

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

That’s the one, Marty!

I was just looking into that to see if they still sell it through the New York 
State Agricultural Experiment Station in Geneva. About 15 years ago, it was 
still available there for $10…

It’s on Amazon for $45… :-(

Thank you!

Sincerely,
Chris



On May 25, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Marty Schlabach 
mailto:m...@cornell.edu>> wrote:

Chris,

Is this the book you had in mind:

https://newcatalog.library.cornell.edu/catalog/1116828
Tortricid fauna of apple in New York (Lepidoptera: Tortricidae)
including an account of apples' occurrence in the state, especially as a 
naturalized plant
by P. J. Chapman and S. E. Lienk ; featuring 96 watercolor paintings ... by 
Haruo Tashiro ... and Joseph Keplinger

Marty
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8407 Powell Rd. home  607-532-3467
Interlaken, NY 14847   cell315-521-4315
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From: 
bounce-124653696-3494...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-124653696-3494...@list.cornell.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 5:18 PM
To: k...@empireaccess.net; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

Hi John,

Based upon input from several people (in particular, Stuart Krasnof) over the 
years, the key food resource used by neotropical migrants at the Hawthorn 
Orchard (during normal years) are the larvae of the Tortricidae moth family, 
collectively known as leaf-rollers. This has been a cold year and those larvae 
that I have analyze appeared to be significantly underdeveloped for the time of 
spring.

There’s a great book on Tortricidae moths in New York. I’ll try to dig up the 
title and authors. It was put out by Cornell University Cooperative Extension 
several decades ago.

One other general thought about how the birds know when there’s good food 
supplies at the Hawthorn Orchard (and when there isn’t) has been a frequent 
topic of conversation I’ve had many times with Meena Haribal. Recent studies 
have shown that birds have very finely tuned olfactory receptors (despite 
earlier thoughts that birds, in general, have a poor sense of smell).

If I recall correctly, when plants are under attack by insects, or are being 
damaged, they can release distress chemicals. It is hypothesized that when 
plants are under attack like this, these released distress chemicals may be 
detected in the air by migrating insectivorous birds, which then may descend 
upon an affected plant (or entire region of affected plants (i.e., cuckoos 
descending upon forests under attack by gypsy moths or tent caterpillars) to 
eat the insects, thus being beneficial to the plant and for the foraging birds.

I would appreciate any more insight others may have on this topic.

Hope this limited understanding helps, John!

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

Sent from my iPhone



On May 25, 2020, at 16:10, 
"k...@empireaccess.net" 
mailto:k...@empireaccess.net>> wrote:
With all the neat birds reported annually from Hawthorne Orchard I wondered if 
anyone has studied the diet that attracts them or observed and followed up on 
the food they were getting? We know from the books that several species of 
moths are associated with Hawthorne and not sure what other caterpillars 
insects or other food sources there are drawing the birds. Anyone?

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

[Marty Schlabach]

Chris,

Is this the book you had in mind:

https://newcatalog.library.cornell.edu/catalog/1116828
Tortricid fauna of apple in New York (Lepidoptera: Tortricidae)
including an account of apples' occurrence in the state, especially as a 
naturalized plant
by P. J. Chapman and S. E. Lienk ; featuring 96 watercolor paintings ... by 
Haruo Tashiro ... and Joseph Keplinger

Marty
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8407 Powell Rd. home  607-532-3467
Interlaken, NY 14847   cell315-521-4315
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From: bounce-124653696-3494...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Christopher T. 
Tessaglia-Hymes
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 5:18 PM
To: k...@empireaccess.net; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

Hi John,

Based upon input from several people (in particular, Stuart Krasnof) over the 
years, the key food resource used by neotropical migrants at the Hawthorn 
Orchard (during normal years) are the larvae of the Tortricidae moth family, 
collectively known as leaf-rollers. This has been a cold year and those larvae 
that I have analyze appeared to be significantly underdeveloped for the time of 
spring.

There’s a great book on Tortricidae moths in New York. I’ll try to dig up the 
title and authors. It was put out by Cornell University Cooperative Extension 
several decades ago.

One other general thought about how the birds know when there’s good food 
supplies at the Hawthorn Orchard (and when there isn’t) has been a frequent 
topic of conversation I’ve had many times with Meena Haribal. Recent studies 
have shown that birds have very finely tuned olfactory receptors (despite 
earlier thoughts that birds, in general, have a poor sense of smell).

If I recall correctly, when plants are under attack by insects, or are being 
damaged, they can release distress chemicals. It is hypothesized that when 
plants are under attack like this, these released distress chemicals may be 
detected in the air by migrating insectivorous birds, which then may descend 
upon an affected plant (or entire region of affected plants (i.e., cuckoos 
descending upon forests under attack by gypsy moths or tent caterpillars) to 
eat the insects, thus being beneficial to the plant and for the foraging birds.

I would appreciate any more insight others may have on this topic.

Hope this limited understanding helps, John!

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

Sent from my iPhone



On May 25, 2020, at 16:10, 
"k...@empireaccess.net" 
mailto:k...@empireaccess.net>> wrote:
With all the neat birds reported annually from Hawthorne Orchard I wondered if 
anyone has studied the diet that attracts them or observed and followed up on 
the food they were getting? We know from the books that several species of 
moths are associated with Hawthorne and not sure what other caterpillars 
insects or other food sources there are drawing the birds. Anyone?

John
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

Hi Ed,

The Hawthorn Orchard (named several decades ago for the sizable grove of 
hawthorn trees) is located in East Ithaca, not far from East Hill Plaza.

Here’s a link to the eBird hotspot:


https://ebird.org/hotspot/L122418


Sincerely,

Chris T-H

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On May 25, 2020, at 16:54, Ed Epstein 
mailto:edep...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Where is Hawthorne orchard? Thanks Ed Epstein

On Monday, May 25, 2020, mailto:k...@empireaccess.net>> 
wrote:
With all the neat birds reported annually from Hawthorne Orchard I wondered if 
anyone has studied the diet that attracts them or observed and followed up on 
the food they were getting? We know from the books that several species of 
moths are associated with Hawthorne and not sure what other caterpillars 
insects or other food sources there are drawing the birds. Anyone?

John
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] YB Cuckoo, Olive-sided Flycatcher, Bay-breasted

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

Hi Sandy,

I did not make it to the Hawthorn Orchard today...maybe tomorrow!

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

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> On May 25, 2020, at 16:13, Sandy Podulka  wrote:
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> Yellow-billed Cuckoo yesterday on Olsefski Rd (off Coddington), Olive-sided 
> Flycatcher hanging out by our house today (spotted by Eagle-eared and 
> Eagle-eyed daughter), and several Bay-breasted Warblers and a Canada Warbler 
> in our woods yesterday, in Brooktondale.  Just a few migrants around us 
> today--but heard Mourning, Black-and-white, and Blackburnian in places they 
> do not breed.
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> Has anyone been to the Hawthorns today?
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

Hi John,

Based upon input from several people (in particular, Stuart Krasnof) over the 
years, the key food resource used by neotropical migrants at the Hawthorn 
Orchard (during normal years) are the larvae of the Tortricidae moth family, 
collectively known as leaf-rollers. This has been a cold year and those larvae 
that I have analyze appeared to be significantly underdeveloped for the time of 
spring.

There’s a great book on Tortricidae moths in New York. I’ll try to dig up the 
title and authors. It was put out by Cornell University Cooperative Extension 
several decades ago.

One other general thought about how the birds know when there’s good food 
supplies at the Hawthorn Orchard (and when there isn’t) has been a frequent 
topic of conversation I’ve had many times with Meena Haribal. Recent studies 
have shown that birds have very finely tuned olfactory receptors (despite 
earlier thoughts that birds, in general, have a poor sense of smell).

If I recall correctly, when plants are under attack by insects, or are being 
damaged, they can release distress chemicals. It is hypothesized that when 
plants are under attack like this, these released distress chemicals may be 
detected in the air by migrating insectivorous birds, which then may descend 
upon an affected plant (or entire region of affected plants (i.e., cuckoos 
descending upon forests under attack by gypsy moths or tent caterpillars) to 
eat the insects, thus being beneficial to the plant and for the foraging birds.

I would appreciate any more insight others may have on this topic.

Hope this limited understanding helps, John!

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

Sent from my iPhone



On May 25, 2020, at 16:10, 
"k...@empireaccess.net" 
mailto:k...@empireaccess.net>> wrote:

With all the neat birds reported annually from Hawthorne Orchard I wondered if 
anyone has studied the diet that attracts them or observed and followed up on 
the food they were getting? We know from the books that several species of 
moths are associated with Hawthorne and not sure what other caterpillars 
insects or other food sources there are drawing the birds. Anyone?

John
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

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Where is Hawthorne orchard? Thanks Ed Epstein

On Monday, May 25, 2020,  wrote:

> With all the neat birds reported annually from Hawthorne Orchard I
> wondered if anyone has studied the diet that attracts them or observed and
> followed up on the food they were getting? We know from the books that
> several species of moths are associated with Hawthorne and not sure what
> other caterpillars insects or other food sources there are drawing the
> birds. Anyone?
>
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[cayugabirds-l] YB Cuckoo, Olive-sided Flycatcher, Bay-breasted

[Sandy Podulka]

Yellow-billed Cuckoo yesterday on Olsefski Rd (off Coddington), 
Olive-sided Flycatcher hanging out by our house today (spotted by 
Eagle-eared and Eagle-eyed daughter), and several Bay-breasted 
Warblers and a Canada Warbler in our woods yesterday, in 
Brooktondale.  Just a few migrants around us today--but heard 
Mourning, Black-and-white, and Blackburnian in places they do not breed.


Has anyone been to the Hawthorns today?

Sandy Podulka


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[cayugabirds-l] Hawthorne question

[khmo]

With all the neat birds reported annually from Hawthorne Orchard I
wondered if anyone has studied the diet that attracts them or observed
and followed up on the food they were getting? We know from the books
that several species of moths are associated with Hawthorne and not sure
what other caterpillars insects or other food sources there are drawing
the birds. Anyone?

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Black-billed cuckoos

[khmo]

Nice Anne. We have had them here since Saturday when just about all the
hordes of colorful birds departed. Can the rain crows (Southern Md
dialect for Yellow-billed) be far behind. It seems all the late warblers
overflew us as we are down to breeding spp.
John

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On 2020-05-25 15:58, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Heard the low repeated harsh call and to make sure played the song and calls. 
> Wow! Got one swooping me and hanging up in trees , long lens inside of 
> course. Following second playback there were two, one flying closely after 
> other. Not sure what sort of scenario I introduced. But two of them are very 
> much here, in yard and scrub. 
> 
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Black-billed cuckoos

[Deb Grantham]

I hear them quite often up here on Sheffield Road, although more in the 
evenings. I'm not sure I've ever spotted one, though.

Deb


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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Black-billed cuckoos

Heard the low repeated harsh call and to make sure played the song and calls. 
Wow! Got one swooping me and hanging up in trees , long lens inside of course. 
Following second playback there were two, one flying closely after other. Not 
sure what sort of scenario I introduced. But two of them are very much here, in 
yard and scrub. 

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[cayugabirds-l] Black-billed cuckoos

[anneb . clark]

Heard the low repeated harsh call and to make sure played the song and calls. 
Wow! Got one swooping me and hanging up in trees , long lens inside of course. 
Following second playback there were two, one flying closely after other. Not 
sure what sort of scenario I introduced. But two of them are very much here, in 
yard and scrub. 

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