Re: [cayugabirds-l] New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

[Chris R. Pelkie]

argh: ‘something to the effect’

As Officer O’Hara said in Arsenic and Old Lace: “I have these great ideas, but 
I can’t spell ‘em!”

ChrisP
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On Aug 21, 2017, at 07:44, Chris R. Pelkie 
mailto:chris.pel...@cornell.edu>> wrote:

something to the affect


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

[Tobias Dean]

 I agree with Mr. Confer and Mr. Pelkie. Though it may look a bit
shocking to see the immediate aftermath of cutting, inspections every few
months especially in the following spring will show how Nature rebounds
with benefits for wildlife.
 A note on cutting the red pines; these were planted in the '30's by
the CCC on grids in old pastures. These trees have limited commercial value
and without thinning don't seem to gain much size. I am not even sure they
are native to our woods.

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 7:44 AM Chris R. Pelkie 
wrote:

> I recently read this thesis:
>
> https://books.google.com/books/about/Factors_Affecting_Avian_Diversity_in_a_N.html?id=xnVPYAAJ
> produced by Tom Litwin in 1986, discussing the changes in Sapsucker Woods
> in both avian type and foliage type, over the hundred years up to that time.
>
> Amazing that grazing, lumbering, and fire have all passed through SSW
> prior to its ‘sanctuary’ days.
> The charted changes in nesters (Canada Warblers were once frequent!) is
> very informative.
>
> My only point here is that Tom says early on something to the affect that
> there is a difference between ‘conservation’ and ‘preservation’ and that
> distinction had never hit home before so clearly.
> Not to bend the Latin (and PIE) roots too far, but ‘con’ (from Latin ‘cum’
> with or together) and ‘serve’ (‘ser’ protect) is not the same as ‘pre’
> (beforehand) and ‘serve’.
> Protecting together, as John C eloquently described, is not the same
> business as protecting the same static thing forever.
>
> I finally grasped why the south side of the SSW is so barren of lower tier
> breeders, after looking at Litwin’s historic maps of the woods.
> Frankly, I prefer the north and east for diversity; the south high closed
> canopy has its interesting but quite different residents (thrushes,
> tanagers, barred owl, pileated et al., high canopy warblers in migration,
> and ovenbirds to give one forest floor denizen his due.)
>
> The occasional cutting, as horrifying as it seems, breathes and welcomes
> new life into the tired old forest, when done intelligently and in
> moderation.
> I would like to think that keeping an eye on the DEC efforts is worthy,
> but that DEC is not rapacious in intent.
>
> ChrisP
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> Chris Pelkie
> Information/Data Manager; IT Support
> Bioacoustics Research Program
> Cornell Lab of Ornithology
> 159 Sapsucker Woods Road
> Ithaca, NY 14850
> http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 13:07, John Confer  wrote:
>
> HI Dave,
>
> It still surprises me that even among environmentalists, biodiversity
> is still a matter of contention. There are ecological reasons to support
> biodiversity, often thought to enhance the mega goal of biostability.
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

[Chris R. Pelkie]

I recently read this thesis:
https://books.google.com/books/about/Factors_Affecting_Avian_Diversity_in_a_N.html?id=xnVPYAAJ
produced by Tom Litwin in 1986, discussing the changes in Sapsucker Woods in 
both avian type and foliage type, over the hundred years up to that time.

Amazing that grazing, lumbering, and fire have all passed through SSW prior to 
its ‘sanctuary’ days.
The charted changes in nesters (Canada Warblers were once frequent!) is very 
informative.

My only point here is that Tom says early on something to the affect that there 
is a difference between ‘conservation’ and ‘preservation’ and that distinction 
had never hit home before so clearly.
Not to bend the Latin (and PIE) roots too far, but ‘con’ (from Latin ‘cum’ with 
or together) and ‘serve’ (‘ser’ protect) is not the same as ‘pre’ (beforehand) 
and ‘serve’.
Protecting together, as John C eloquently described, is not the same business 
as protecting the same static thing forever.

I finally grasped why the south side of the SSW is so barren of lower tier 
breeders, after looking at Litwin’s historic maps of the woods.
Frankly, I prefer the north and east for diversity; the south high closed 
canopy has its interesting but quite different residents (thrushes, tanagers, 
barred owl, pileated et al., high canopy warblers in migration, and ovenbirds 
to give one forest floor denizen his due.)

The occasional cutting, as horrifying as it seems, breathes and welcomes new 
life into the tired old forest, when done intelligently and in moderation.
I would like to think that keeping an eye on the DEC efforts is worthy, but 
that DEC is not rapacious in intent.

ChrisP
__

Chris Pelkie
Information/Data Manager; IT Support
Bioacoustics Research Program
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/

On Aug 18, 2017, at 13:07, John Confer 
mailto:con...@ithaca.edu>> wrote:

HI Dave,

It still surprises me that even among environmentalists, biodiversity is 
still a matter of contention. There are ecological reasons to support 
biodiversity, often thought to enhance the mega goal of biostability.


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