Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
I say that this in an scam again, I have been on the list for over 2 years and never seen one single post of sammaxc...@gmail.comsammaxc...@gmail.com . -Pablo Meneses. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM, William Affeldt william.affe...@yahoo.comwrote: I would guess it is a variation of the bastard. I would not worry so much and just start saving for the next attempt. You will eventually get something that you can pass. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:17 AM, sam max sammaxc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I am so so so upsad this time was my last i believe but. cant blame anyone except myself!! I got new lab 6 in brusels it was all changed early offer, MGCP TS, ipcc changed, i am nt sure how we can complete it in 8 hrs time. I am really upsad now no money for next attempt nt sure when i can go back for this, All the questions are comming in my eyes again and again but i was helpless Best of luck guys who are going next ... Regards Sam ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
Thank you for your input Pablo. I was actually say something, but I kept it to myself. Now that you have said something, I have to put my 2 cents as well. These guys say they have the exam, and that they didn't pass probably because they tried to memorize the whole exam with a bunch of dumps. MEMORIZING is completely different from LEARNING. The exam has to be hard. I have been there and I saw it is completely passable. My first attempt was a disaster and I have nobody to blame but myself. I underestimated the exam and paid a very steep price (money wise). All we have to do is study, know Call Routing by heart, solve problems quickly and also know where to find the helps on Cisco DocCD. NOBODY knows everything, only GOD knows. If you want to risk your money and your certifications on this, go right ahead and BUY those supposedly leaked exams. All these studies made me a better CCNP Voice and of course I want my number, but I also want to KNOWLEDGE. Always remember, NOBODY knows everything. *Emanuel Damasceno* CCNP Voice On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Pablo Meneses pmenese...@gmail.comwrote: I say that this in an scam again, I have been on the list for over 2 years and never seen one single post of sammaxc...@gmail.comsammaxc...@gmail.com . -Pablo Meneses. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM, William Affeldt william.affe...@yahoo.com wrote: I would guess it is a variation of the bastard. I would not worry so much and just start saving for the next attempt. You will eventually get something that you can pass. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:17 AM, sam max sammaxc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I am so so so upsad this time was my last i believe but. cant blame anyone except myself!! I got new lab 6 in brusels it was all changed early offer, MGCP TS, ipcc changed, i am nt sure how we can complete it in 8 hrs time. I am really upsad now no money for next attempt nt sure when i can go back for this, All the questions are comming in my eyes again and again but i was helpless Best of luck guys who are going next ... Regards Sam ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
Hello every one I just want to add a note here which matches what Emmanuel said You have to study as well , practice makes perfect , the time you spend in practicing is not a waste , you will notice its value when you get into the exam . Memorizing or learning can makes you a CCIE but what is more important is to be a qualified CCIE Moataz Tolba CCIE # 26129 -Original Message- From: Emanuel Damasceno aedamasc...@gmail.com Sender: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:50:34 To: Pablo Menesespmenese...@gmail.com Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.comccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; sam maxsammaxc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ): ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
Experts *have a prolonged or intense experience through practice and education* in a particular field. In specific fields, the definition of expert is well established by consensus and therefore it is not necessary for an individual to have a professional or academic qualification for them to be accepted as an expert. In this respect, a shepherd with 50 years of experience tending flocks would be widely recognized as having complete expertise in the use and training of sheep dogs and the care of sheep. Wikipedia So, if you pass it with that kind of stuff... at the end what really define you as a expert is how much time of you life you dedicated to farm sheeps, sorry I mean type on a CLI of a router or dial a number waiting for the desired result in a phone. Like in all the matters of life (music, cooking, arts) there would be some less motivated people who want to be considered as a qualified person following the easy way, but at the end, the true professional can identify those individuals in the field. At the end we all used some kind of dumbs to learn, like the IPX Workbooks, the different is, one have all the possible situation and the other is a real scam. The choice to take the best path for a real professional experience is defined by the people, not the difficulty of the test. Even is the test is set a DN to the phone, there would always looking for the easy way to do it. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Emanuel Damasceno aedamasc...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you for your input Pablo. I was actually say something, but I kept it to myself. Now that you have said something, I have to put my 2 cents as well. These guys say they have the exam, and that they didn't pass probably because they tried to memorize the whole exam with a bunch of dumps. MEMORIZING is completely different from LEARNING. The exam has to be hard. I have been there and I saw it is completely passable. My first attempt was a disaster and I have nobody to blame but myself. I underestimated the exam and paid a very steep price (money wise). All we have to do is study, know Call Routing by heart, solve problems quickly and also know where to find the helps on Cisco DocCD. NOBODY knows everything, only GOD knows. If you want to risk your money and your certifications on this, go right ahead and BUY those supposedly leaked exams. All these studies made me a better CCNP Voice and of course I want my number, but I also want to KNOWLEDGE. Always remember, NOBODY knows everything. *Emanuel Damasceno* CCNP Voice On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Pablo Meneses pmenese...@gmail.comwrote: I say that this in an scam again, I have been on the list for over 2 years and never seen one single post of sammaxc...@gmail.comsammaxc...@gmail.com . -Pablo Meneses. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM, William Affeldt william.affe...@yahoo.com wrote: I would guess it is a variation of the bastard. I would not worry so much and just start saving for the next attempt. You will eventually get something that you can pass. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:17 AM, sam max sammaxc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I am so so so upsad this time was my last i believe but. cant blame anyone except myself!! I got new lab 6 in brusels it was all changed early offer, MGCP TS, ipcc changed, i am nt sure how we can complete it in 8 hrs time. I am really upsad now no money for next attempt nt sure when i can go back for this, All the questions are comming in my eyes again and again but i was helpless Best of luck guys who are going next ... Regards Sam ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
I agree with Abel. It's just that here in Brazil, employers have high expectation of a CCIE. So, let's say I memorize a dump of the exam and pass. When it comes the real deal, and you are in the middle of a kickoff meeting for a project and a question is brought up that is pretty basic and I don't know, people will start questioning about my ability as CCIE. There are things that we NEED to know and things that are forgiven when you don't. And I am not even talking about configuring phones, servers, routers, switches, I am talking about the basics that we all should know and love. I've worked around the world (United States, Angola, Portugal, now settled in Brazil) and I've seen many CCIEs. Most of those were Routing and Switching, and a few of those didn't know the basics of RS. I am illiterate in Routing and Switch, but I do have a little knowledge of it and it is sad to see those CCIEs making awful sins on their own field. I am not here to judge anyone, it's not that. And I already said nobody knows everything. But RS guys who don't know what a /25 mask mean for example, you start to wonder how that guy is a CCIE. This example was used, because it was the first that came in my mind, but of course it wasn't nothing like that. But you guys get my meaning. It's just like us in Voice, if you don't know what Partitions and CSSs are used for, you don't have the right to carry a CCNP Voice title, for example. It's just that. :) Good luck to all CCIE students. I am going back to my lab, because my exam date is right around the corner and I hope not to fail this time. *Emanuel Damasceno* CCNP Voice On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Abel ... midga...@gmail.com wrote: Experts *have a prolonged or intense experience through practice and education* in a particular field. In specific fields, the definition of expert is well established by consensus and therefore it is not necessary for an individual to have a professional or academic qualification for them to be accepted as an expert. In this respect, a shepherd with 50 years of experience tending flocks would be widely recognized as having complete expertise in the use and training of sheep dogs and the care of sheep. Wikipedia So, if you pass it with that kind of stuff... at the end what really define you as a expert is how much time of you life you dedicated to farm sheeps, sorry I mean type on a CLI of a router or dial a number waiting for the desired result in a phone. Like in all the matters of life (music, cooking, arts) there would be some less motivated people who want to be considered as a qualified person following the easy way, but at the end, the true professional can identify those individuals in the field. At the end we all used some kind of dumbs to learn, like the IPX Workbooks, the different is, one have all the possible situation and the other is a real scam. The choice to take the best path for a real professional experience is defined by the people, not the difficulty of the test. Even is the test is set a DN to the phone, there would always looking for the easy way to do it. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Emanuel Damasceno aedamasc...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you for your input Pablo. I was actually say something, but I kept it to myself. Now that you have said something, I have to put my 2 cents as well. These guys say they have the exam, and that they didn't pass probably because they tried to memorize the whole exam with a bunch of dumps. MEMORIZING is completely different from LEARNING. The exam has to be hard. I have been there and I saw it is completely passable. My first attempt was a disaster and I have nobody to blame but myself. I underestimated the exam and paid a very steep price (money wise). All we have to do is study, know Call Routing by heart, solve problems quickly and also know where to find the helps on Cisco DocCD. NOBODY knows everything, only GOD knows. If you want to risk your money and your certifications on this, go right ahead and BUY those supposedly leaked exams. All these studies made me a better CCNP Voice and of course I want my number, but I also want to KNOWLEDGE. Always remember, NOBODY knows everything. *Emanuel Damasceno* CCNP Voice On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Pablo Meneses pmenese...@gmail.comwrote: I say that this in an scam again, I have been on the list for over 2 years and never seen one single post of sammaxc...@gmail.comsammaxc...@gmail.com . -Pablo Meneses. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM, William Affeldt william.affe...@yahoo.com wrote: I would guess it is a variation of the bastard. I would not worry so much and just start saving for the next attempt. You will eventually get something that you can pass. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:17 AM, sam max sammaxc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I am so so so upsad this time was my last i believe but. cant blame anyone except
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
I like this post agree 100% with you guys that's why I will not go for CCIE until I feel I deserve it On Jan 22, 2012 6:24 PM, Emanuel Damasceno aedamasc...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Abel. It's just that here in Brazil, employers have high expectation of a CCIE. So, let's say I memorize a dump of the exam and pass. When it comes the real deal, and you are in the middle of a kickoff meeting for a project and a question is brought up that is pretty basic and I don't know, people will start questioning about my ability as CCIE. There are things that we NEED to know and things that are forgiven when you don't. And I am not even talking about configuring phones, servers, routers, switches, I am talking about the basics that we all should know and love. I've worked around the world (United States, Angola, Portugal, now settled in Brazil) and I've seen many CCIEs. Most of those were Routing and Switching, and a few of those didn't know the basics of RS. I am illiterate in Routing and Switch, but I do have a little knowledge of it and it is sad to see those CCIEs making awful sins on their own field. I am not here to judge anyone, it's not that. And I already said nobody knows everything. But RS guys who don't know what a /25 mask mean for example, you start to wonder how that guy is a CCIE. This example was used, because it was the first that came in my mind, but of course it wasn't nothing like that. But you guys get my meaning. It's just like us in Voice, if you don't know what Partitions and CSSs are used for, you don't have the right to carry a CCNP Voice title, for example. It's just that. :) Good luck to all CCIE students. I am going back to my lab, because my exam date is right around the corner and I hope not to fail this time. *Emanuel Damasceno* CCNP Voice On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Abel ... midga...@gmail.com wrote: Experts *have a prolonged or intense experience through practice and education* in a particular field. In specific fields, the definition of expert is well established by consensus and therefore it is not necessary for an individual to have a professional or academic qualification for them to be accepted as an expert. In this respect, a shepherd with 50 years of experience tending flocks would be widely recognized as having complete expertise in the use and training of sheep dogs and the care of sheep. Wikipedia So, if you pass it with that kind of stuff... at the end what really define you as a expert is how much time of you life you dedicated to farm sheeps, sorry I mean type on a CLI of a router or dial a number waiting for the desired result in a phone. Like in all the matters of life (music, cooking, arts) there would be some less motivated people who want to be considered as a qualified person following the easy way, but at the end, the true professional can identify those individuals in the field. At the end we all used some kind of dumbs to learn, like the IPX Workbooks, the different is, one have all the possible situation and the other is a real scam. The choice to take the best path for a real professional experience is defined by the people, not the difficulty of the test. Even is the test is set a DN to the phone, there would always looking for the easy way to do it. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Emanuel Damasceno aedamasc...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your input Pablo. I was actually say something, but I kept it to myself. Now that you have said something, I have to put my 2 cents as well. These guys say they have the exam, and that they didn't pass probably because they tried to memorize the whole exam with a bunch of dumps. MEMORIZING is completely different from LEARNING. The exam has to be hard. I have been there and I saw it is completely passable. My first attempt was a disaster and I have nobody to blame but myself. I underestimated the exam and paid a very steep price (money wise). All we have to do is study, know Call Routing by heart, solve problems quickly and also know where to find the helps on Cisco DocCD. NOBODY knows everything, only GOD knows. If you want to risk your money and your certifications on this, go right ahead and BUY those supposedly leaked exams. All these studies made me a better CCNP Voice and of course I want my number, but I also want to KNOWLEDGE. Always remember, NOBODY knows everything. *Emanuel Damasceno* CCNP Voice On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Pablo Meneses pmenese...@gmail.comwrote: I say that this in an scam again, I have been on the list for over 2 years and never seen one single post of sammaxc...@gmail.comsammaxc...@gmail.com . -Pablo Meneses. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM, William Affeldt william.affe...@yahoo.com wrote: I would guess it is a variation of the bastard. I would not worry so much and just start saving for the next attempt. You will eventually get something that you can pass.
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
If you do not have book to questions and pass how can you... its very simple everyone required the same i believe. I am interested to share if anyone interested please email me so that i can chat with you Appreciated for the guys who is interested and can understand my pain. I felt the same pain today after my attempt. From: Mohamed Hassan mrmha...@gmail.com To: Emanuel Damasceno aedamasc...@gmail.com Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; Pablo Meneses pmenese...@gmail.com; sam max sammaxc...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ): I like this post agree 100% with you guys that's why I will not go for CCIE until I feel I deserve it On Jan 22, 2012 6:24 PM, Emanuel Damasceno aedamasc...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Abel. It's just that here in Brazil, employers have high expectation of a CCIE. So, let's say I memorize a dump of the exam and pass. When it comes the real deal, and you are in the middle of a kickoff meeting for a project and a question is brought up that is pretty basic and I don't know, people will start questioning about my ability as CCIE. There are things that we NEED to know and things that are forgiven when you don't. And I am not even talking about configuring phones, servers, routers, switches, I am talking about the basics that we all should know and love. I've worked around the world (United States, Angola, Portugal, now settled in Brazil) and I've seen many CCIEs. Most of those were Routing and Switching, and a few of those didn't know the basics of RS. I am illiterate in Routing and Switch, but I do have a little knowledge of it and it is sad to see those CCIEs making awful sins on their own field. I am not here to judge anyone, it's not that. And I already said nobody knows everything. But RS guys who don't know what a /25 mask mean for example, you start to wonder how that guy is a CCIE. This example was used, because it was the first that came in my mind, but of course it wasn't nothing like that. But you guys get my meaning. It's just like us in Voice, if you don't know what Partitions and CSSs are used for, you don't have the right to carry a CCNP Voice title, for example. It's just that. :) Good luck to all CCIE students. I am going back to my lab, because my exam date is right around the corner and I hope not to fail this time. Emanuel Damasceno CCNP Voice On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Abel ... midga...@gmail.com wrote: Experts have a prolonged or intense experience through practice and education in a particular field. In specific fields, the definition of expert is well established by consensus and therefore it is not necessary for an individual to have a professional or academic qualification for them to be accepted as an expert. In this respect, a shepherd with 50 years of experience tending flocks would be widely recognized as having complete expertise in the use and training of sheep dogs and the care of sheep. Wikipedia So, if you pass it with that kind of stuff... at the end what really define you as a expert is how much time of you life you dedicated to farm sheeps, sorry I mean type on a CLI of a router or dial a number waiting for the desired result in a phone. Like in all the matters of life (music, cooking, arts) there would be some less motivated people who want to be considered as a qualified person following the easy way, but at the end, the true professional can identify those individuals in the field. At the end we all used some kind of dumbs to learn, like the IPX Workbooks, the different is, one have all the possible situation and the other is a real scam. The choice to take the best path for a real professional experience is defined by the people, not the difficulty of the test. Even is the test is set a DN to the phone, there would always looking for the easy way to do it. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Emanuel Damasceno aedamasc...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your input Pablo. I was actually say something, but I kept it to myself. Now that you have said something, I have to put my 2 cents as well. These guys say they have the exam, and that they didn't pass probably because they tried to memorize the whole exam with a bunch of dumps. MEMORIZING is completely different from LEARNING. The exam has to be hard. I have been there and I saw it is completely passable. My first attempt was a disaster and I have nobody to blame but myself. I underestimated the exam and paid a very steep price (money wise). All we have to do is study, know Call Routing by heart, solve problems quickly and also know where to find the helps on Cisco DocCD. NOBODY knows everything, only GOD knows. If you want to risk your money and your certifications on this, go right ahead and BUY those supposedly leaked exams. All these studies made me a better CCNP Voice
[OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
Hi Guys, I am so so so upsad this time was my last i believe but. cant blame anyone except myself!! I got new lab 6 in brusels it was all changed early offer, MGCP TS, ipcc changed, i am nt sure how we can complete it in 8 hrs time. I am really upsad now no money for next attempt nt sure when i can go back for this, All the questions are comming in my eyes again and again but i was helpless Best of luck guys who are going next ... Regards Sam ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] lab 6 released ):
I would guess it is a variation of the bastard. I would not worry so much and just start saving for the next attempt. You will eventually get something that you can pass. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:17 AM, sam max sammaxc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I am so so so upsad this time was my last i believe but. cant blame anyone except myself!! I got new lab 6 in brusels it was all changed early offer, MGCP TS, ipcc changed, i am nt sure how we can complete it in 8 hrs time. I am really upsad now no money for next attempt nt sure when i can go back for this, All the questions are comming in my eyes again and again but i was helpless Best of luck guys who are going next ... Regards Sam ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
