Re: [ccp4bb] WaterTidy fails in windows ccp4i

2011-10-20 Thread Tim Gruene
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Hi Jacob,

to semi-answer your question: coot runs under windows, as far as I know,
but it may not be in the gui.

Tim

On 10/19/2011 08:41 PM, Jacob Keller wrote:
 Well, I see that it fixes/edits waters, but it seems to add them too,
 according to the documentation
 
 Add/Tidy Waters - Watertidy
 
 This task rationalises waters at the end of refinement.
 
 See program documentation: Watertidy, Distang.
 
 Is there a program in the gui that adds waters, if not this one? There
 is of course arp/warp, but not in windows...
 
 Jacob
 
 
 
 On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.edu wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 12:45 -0500, Jacob Keller wrote:
 Is there an
 alternative water-picker in the gui?

 watertidy is not a water-picker

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Re: [ccp4bb] WaterTidy fails in windows ccp4i

2011-10-20 Thread Bernhard C. Lohkamp

Adding to Tim's comment. In Coot use:

Extensions-Modelling-Arrange Waters Around Protein...

B


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Hi Jacob,

to semi-answer your question: coot runs under windows, as far as I know,
but it may not be in the gui.

Tim

On 10/19/2011 08:41 PM, Jacob Keller wrote:

Well, I see that it fixes/edits waters, but it seems to add them too,
according to the documentation

Add/Tidy Waters - Watertidy

This task rationalises waters at the end of refinement.

See program documentation: Watertidy, Distang.

Is there a program in the gui that adds waters, if not this one? There
is of course arp/warp, but not in windows...

Jacob



On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Ed Pozharskiepozh...@umaryland.edu  wrote:

On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 12:45 -0500, Jacob Keller wrote:

Is there an
alternative water-picker in the gui?

watertidy is not a water-picker

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Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly

2011-10-20 Thread Vellieux Frederic

Hi,

If, in your case, no possible asymmetric unit can contain A1-B2, then 
you deposit A1-B1 (or I suppose A2-B2...) and indicate to the PDB (like 
placing cards in the header cards) the operator to be used (and the 
subunit it applies to) in order to generate the most likely biological 
dimer. Normally the PDB can take care of that.


Fred.

Kayashree M wrote:

Respected Sir,

The space group is H3. if I generate the symmetry,
it appears to be a dimer of trimers stacked one above
the other with a rotation of 60 deg wrt each other, like
this -  A1, A2, A3 (in one trimer) stacked upon
B1, B2, B3 (second trimer). So structure that is in the ASU
is with A1-B1 while PISA predicts A1-B2.

Thank you
With Reagrds
Kavya

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To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
From: James Stroud
Sent by: CCP4 bulletin board
Date: 10/19/2011 10:41PM
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly

On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Kayashree M wrote:

We have a structure which is a homodimer in the asymmetric unit.
PISA predicts most probable assembly as a dimer but this
dimeric assembly is different from what is solved (offcourse
we can generate the symmetry equivalent molecule and get that).


This last sentence is a bit vague. Can you take the just dimer
that PISA predicts, fit this dimer to the lattice (i.e. each
monomer sitting correctly in density but retaining the dimeric
relationship predicted by PISA), and then generate the complete
lattice using just this fitted dimer and crystallographic symmetries?

If so, that means that the PISA dimer is equivalent to the ASU you
can deposit the PISA dimer as the ASU.

James



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Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly

2011-10-20 Thread Kayashree M
Thank you Sir for the suggestions. Hi,If, in your case, no possible asymmetric unit can contain A1-B2, then you deposit A1-B1 (or I suppose A2-B2...) and indicate to the PDB (like placing cards in the header cards) the operator to be used (and the subunit it applies to) in order to generate the most likely biological dimer. Normally the PDB can take care of that.The protein looks like the letter "C", So in one of the trimer it is arrangedas "C" while in the other trimer (stacked) it is arranged like "inverted C", SoThe dimer A1-B1 and A2-B2 are same while A1-B1 and A1-B2 are different.Thanking you With RegardsKavya-- 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly

2011-10-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I am sure someone has suggested this - you can submit your coordinates 
to the PISA server which will give you a detailed analysis of contacts, 
then you choose which grouping you think makes the most reasonable 
assemblyn and take the asymmetric unit from that .


I actually like to do that while still refining - it makes coot a lot 
easier to use if you are working with a compact molecule!



Eleanor

t On 10/20/2011 05:25 AM, Kayashree M wrote:

Respected Sir,

The space group is H3. if I generate the symmetry,
it appears to be a dimer of trimers stacked one above
the other with a rotation of 60 deg wrt each other, like
this - A1, A2, A3 (in one trimer) stacked upon
B1, B2, B3 (second trimer). So structure that is in the ASU
is with A1-B1 while PISA predicts A1-B2.

Thank you
With Reagrds
Kavya

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 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 From: James Stroud
 Sent by: CCP4 bulletin board
 Date: 10/19/2011 10:41PM
 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly

 On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Kayashree M wrote:

 We have a structure which is a homodimer in the asymmetric unit.
 PISA predicts most probable assembly as a dimer but this
 dimeric assembly is different from what is solved (offcourse
 we can generate the symmetry equivalent molecule and get that).


 This last sentence is a bit vague. Can you take the just dimer that PISA
 predicts, fit this dimer to the lattice (i.e. each monomer sitting 
correctly
 in density but retaining the dimeric relationship predicted by PISA), and
 then generate the complete lattice using just this fitted dimer and
 crystallographic symmetries?

 If so, that means that the PISA dimer is equivalent to the ASU you can
 deposit the PISA dimer as the ASU.

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Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly

2011-10-20 Thread Kayashree M
Respected Madam, Actually I was not aware of the fact that we have to deposit the structure which is most probablebiological assembly (since in PDB there are seperate representations for the asymmetric unit and biological unit).Also Since I dint have any experimental evidences other than PISA predictions and comparison with the structures from different organisms, I continues to refine the model PHASER predicted.In addition the PHASER refined model has 3 Cadmium ions inbetween the monomers stronglycoordinated by both the monomers. Hence I did not have any doubts upon this assembly. FinallyI submitted this assembly itself. and by mistake I mentioned most probably biological assemblysection while submitting the PDB, Which gave rise to all confusions.Thanking youWith RegardsM. Kavyashree-Eleanor Dodson c...@ysbl.york.ac.uk wrote: -To: Kayashree M ka...@ssl.serc.iisc.inFrom: Eleanor Dodson c...@ysbl.york.ac.ukDate: 10/20/2011 03:23PMCc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKSubject: Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assemblyI am sure someone has suggested this - you can submit your coordinates to the PISA server which will give you a detailed analysis of contacts, then you choose which grouping you think makes the most reasonable assemblyn and take the asymmetric unit from that .I actually like to do that while still refining - it makes coot a lot easier to use if you are working with a compact molecule!Eleanort On 10/20/2011 05:25 AM, Kayashree M wrote: Respected Sir, The space group is H3. if I generate the symmetry, it appears to be a dimer of trimers stacked one above the other with a rotation of 60 deg wrt each other, like this - A1, A2, A3 (in one trimer) stacked upon B1, B2, B3 (second trimer). So structure that is in the ASU is with A1-B1 while PISA predicts A1-B2. Thank you With Reagrds Kavya -CCP4 bulletin boardCCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK wrote: -   To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK   From: James Stroud   Sent by: CCP4 bulletin board   Date: 10/19/2011 10:41PM   Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly   On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Kayashree M wrote:   We have a structure which is a homodimer in the asymmetric unit.   PISA predicts most probable assembly as a dimer but this   dimeric assembly is different from what is solved (offcourse   we can generate the symmetry equivalent molecule and get that).   This last sentence is a bit vague. Can you take the just dimer that PISA   predicts, fit this dimer to the lattice (i.e. each monomer sitting correctly   in density but retaining the dimeric relationship predicted by PISA), and   then generate the complete lattice using just this fitted dimer and   crystallographic symmetries?   If so, that means that the PISA dimer is equivalent to the ASU you can   deposit the PISA dimer as the ASU.   James   --   This message has been scanned for viruses and   dangerous content by *MailScanner*http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is   believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner*http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean.-- This message has been scanned for viruses anddangerous content by MailScanner, and isbelieved to be clean.-- 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly

2011-10-20 Thread eugene . krissinel
Dear Bostjan,

 In case when ASU has the same multiplicity (number of chains) as the
 probable biological assembly, the latter is an ASU as well. In such a
 case, the PDB suggests to choose ASU in the form of that assembly, purely
 for simplicity. It seems to me that this is not an unreasonable
 suggestion and it would be nice if that were a common practice.
 
 Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying Eugene, but the ASU
 interface may not necessarily be the biological interface.

Not at all. But if anticipated biological assembly has the same size as ASU,
then one should be able to choose ASU such that it is biological assembly.
Consider that, when there is more than 1 chain in ASU, its configuration
may be chosen in many different ways (but not completely arbitrarily,
of course). E.g., in case of heterodimeric ASU, _any_ hetero-pair of molecules
in crystal is a valid ASU (even if they do not make a contact :)). By this I 
mean
that, by applying all crystal symmetry operations and unit cell translations,
one can reconstruct the whole crystal from an arbitrary hetero-pair. In case
of homodimers it is slightly more complex, e.g. one has to exclude
monomers in parallel orientations.

 I think it is
 perfectly possible that two subunits in a biological dimer, for example,
 may be related by crystallographic axis, but the NCS may be a different
 non-physiological crystal contact, therefore the ASU won't be the same as
 the biological dimer. So I am not sure if the above applies in general.

I would think (am I wrong here?) that NCS-reduced PDB entries do not
represent crystal's ASU (simply because they are reduced by
_non-crystallographic_ symmetry operations). In order to get the ASU,
one needs to apply NCS to the content of the entry. E.g., PDB entry
1stm has 5 chains, but they do not make an ASU: applying all space
group symmetry operations would not reconstruct the crystal.
NCS-expansion, however, gives a 60-chain viral capsid, which is the
ASU. For fun, you may state that your ASU in this case is 2
complementing parts of neighbouring capsids, and this would be
crystallographically correct. It is a matter of common sense (and
sense of beauty perhaps) that we choose to deposit a complete
viral capsid as an ASU here.

Eugene.


 
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[ccp4bb] Post-doc Position - Columbia University

2011-10-20 Thread Liang Tong
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[ccp4bb] Laptop stereo

2011-10-20 Thread Claude Didierjean

Dear All,

I just bought a new laptop with the graphics card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 
460M with 1.5GB memory.

Unfortunately the stereo does not work with Coot (Windows or Linux).

Can Anyone help me ?
Thanks in advance,
Claude.


Re: [ccp4bb] Laptop stereo

2011-10-20 Thread Tim Gruene
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Dear Claude,

why do you expect stereo to work with a laptop? Usually it requires
special equipment, e.g. a shutter system or polarizing screen and
goggles, like the Zalman 3D monitors.

Maybe you want to let us know more about your setup.

Tim

On 10/20/2011 02:33 PM, Claude Didierjean wrote:
 Dear All,
 
 I just bought a new laptop with the graphics card NVIDIA GeForce GTX
 460M with 1.5GB memory.
 Unfortunately the stereo does not work with Coot (Windows or Linux).
 
 Can Anyone help me ?
 Thanks in advance,
 Claude.
 

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Re: [ccp4bb] Laptop stereo

2011-10-20 Thread David Schuller
There are a some models of laptop which contain a stereo-capable screen, 
but since the make  model of the laptop were not mentioned, it is not 
clear that Claude's equipment is on that list.


http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-system-requirements.html


He also does not mention which OS he is running, which is the next question.


On 10/20/11 08:37, Tim Gruene wrote:

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Dear Claude,

why do you expect stereo to work with a laptop? Usually it requires
special equipment, e.g. a shutter system or polarizing screen and
goggles, like the Zalman 3D monitors.

Maybe you want to let us know more about your setup.

Tim

On 10/20/2011 02:33 PM, Claude Didierjean wrote:

Dear All,

I just bought a new laptop with the graphics card NVIDIA GeForce GTX
460M with 1.5GB memory.
Unfortunately the stereo does not work with Coot (Windows or Linux).

Can Anyone help me ?
Thanks in advance,
Claude.

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[ccp4bb] OIST-CCP4 Final announcement

2011-10-20 Thread Charles Ballard
Dear Colleagues,

This is the final call for applicants for the CCP4/OIST School on protein 
structure solution taking place in Okinawa, Japan from the 5th - 9th of 
December 2011.  The closing deadline for applications is this coming Tuesday 
October 25th.

There is no registration fee for the school. The students will be responsible 
for their own travel but lodging and food will be provided by the hosts. These 
and other details (The program, the list of speakers, the application process, 
accommodations, site access, contacts etc) can be found at the school website 
at:

http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/schools/OIST-2011/ 

The program for the school can be directly viewed here:

http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/schools/OIST-2011/OIST2011-program.pdf

The school will include data processing, structure solution, model building, 
refinement, validation, automation of many steps etc. Participants are 
encouraged to bring their own raw data or processed data for hands-on problem 
solving under the guidance of software developers and other experts.

Kind regards,

Fadel, Garib and Charles


Re: [ccp4bb] Laptop stereo

2011-10-20 Thread Pedro M. Matias
There are several laptops which are compatible with the Nvidia 3D 
vision system. However, I only know of laptops with GeForce type 
cards, whereas Coot and Pymol require OpenGL and a Quadro graphics 
card to work in stereo. In fact, the hardware requirements for 
Windows (Vista and 7) are less strict than for Linux in that you can 
buy a less expensive card, but it still needs to be a Quadro.


I've tried to interest the Coot windows developer to make a port of 
Coot from OpenGL stereo to DirectX stereo but that apparently it is 
not a straightforward proposition.


So, for the moment (and until NVIDIA releases compatible drivers) 
that option is grayed out...


Pedro

At 14:01 20-10-2011, David Schuller wrote:
There are a some models of laptop which contain a stereo-capable 
screen, but since the make  model of the laptop were not mentioned, 
it is not clear that Claude's equipment is on that list.


http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-system-requirements.html


He also does not mention which OS he is running, which is the next question.


On 10/20/11 08:37, Tim Gruene wrote:

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Dear Claude,

why do you expect stereo to work with a laptop? Usually it requires
special equipment, e.g. a shutter system or polarizing screen and
goggles, like the Zalman 3D monitors.

Maybe you want to let us know more about your setup.

Tim

On 10/20/2011 02:33 PM, Claude Didierjean wrote:

Dear All,

I just bought a new laptop with the graphics card NVIDIA GeForce GTX
460M with 1.5GB memory.
Unfortunately the stereo does not work with Coot (Windows or Linux).

Can Anyone help me ?
Thanks in advance,
Claude.

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Re: [ccp4bb] Laptop stereo

2011-10-20 Thread Jan Gebauer

Hi Claude (and others),

I guess you have an Stereo capable laptop (Geforce + 120hz Monitor)? At  
least the GeForce 460M is on the list for 3D-Vision.


However, as the GeForce graphics cards are not able to support  
quad-buffered OpenGL (vierfach gebufferte OpenGL-Anwendungen), I don't  
think they will ever work with Coot and the same might be true for PyMol  
(http://www.mail-archive.com/ccp4bb@jiscmail.ac.uk/msg11320.html) and  
other 3D crystallographic programs.


As far as I understand it's mostly, because the GeForce can only display  
3D in fullscreen and not in single windows... (most likey due to driver  
restrictions).


So, AFIAK there is no mobile 3D-platform available for crystallographers.


Regards,
Jan

PS: If I'm wrong I would be happy to know!

 Am 20.10.2011, 15:01 Uhr, schrieb David Schuller dj...@cornell.edu:

There are a some models of laptop which contain a stereo-capable screen,  
but since the make  model of the laptop were not mentioned, it is not  
clear that Claude's equipment is on that list.


http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-system-requirements.html


He also does not mention which OS he is running, which is the next  
question.



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Dear Claude,

why do you expect stereo to work with a laptop? Usually it requires
special equipment, e.g. a shutter system or polarizing screen and
goggles, like the Zalman 3D monitors.

Maybe you want to let us know more about your setup.

Tim

On 10/20/2011 02:33 PM, Claude Didierjean wrote:

Dear All,

I just bought a new laptop with the graphics card NVIDIA GeForce GTX
460M with 1.5GB memory.
Unfortunately the stereo does not work with Coot (Windows or Linux).

Can Anyone help me ?
Thanks in advance,
Claude.


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[ccp4bb] BioStruct-X Call for proposal submission for Transnational Access funding

2011-10-20 Thread Ivana Custic
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[ccp4bb] Dyndom errors

2011-10-20 Thread Jason Porta
For some reason, Dyndom all of a sudden does not work (or the error lies 
between the monitor and keyboard). When I submit 2 PDB codes of nearly equal 
sequence identity, I get the sequence identity  40%. 

Now, if I try to upload my own files, I get the File not found error (when I 
know for sure that they are).

Also, when the server doesn't give either of the above errors, I am left with 
an apache error.

I've used this server many times to do the same type of analysis that I am 
having so much trouble with now. I also tried running the CCP4 embedded 
version, but get a segmentation fault error, and the program won't advance.

Has anyone else encountered these errors? Perhaps the server is under 
maintenance?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Best, 

jason porta


Re: [ccp4bb] Biological assembly

2011-10-20 Thread James Stroud
Since a crystallographic 3-fold generates the trimer (of dimers) then A1-B2 can be the ASU in this case.Just generate the symmetry mates with the A1-B1 dimer and then make a new PDB of A1-B2 then generate the symmetry mates of A1-B2 to see that the lattice is complete.I compulsively made and attached an illustration to show what I mean.James

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On Oct 20, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Kayashree M wrote:Thank you Sir for the suggestions. Hi,If, in your case, no possible asymmetric unit can contain A1-B2, then you deposit A1-B1 (or I suppose A2-B2...) and indicate to the PDB (like placing cards in the header cards) the operator to be used (and the subunit it applies to) in order to generate the most likely biological dimer. Normally the PDB can take care of that.The protein looks like the letter "C", So in one of the trimer it is arrangedas "C" while in the other trimer (stacked) it is arranged like "inverted C", SoThe dimer A1-B1 and A2-B2 are same while A1-B1 and A1-B2 are different.Thanking you With RegardsKavya-- 
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Re: [ccp4bb] IUCr committees, depositing images

2011-10-20 Thread Thomas C. Terwilliger
John Helliwell points out to me that it might be useful to know what MX
crystallographic data researchers in different countries are already
expected to deposit or save. He notes that research funding agencies in
the UK expect researchers to preserve their raw experimental data for at
least 5 years.

Can people comment on what data they are already expected to save in their
countries, and what mechanisms they already have for facilitating this
(for example the Australian Research Council TARDIS initiative which helps
store raw diffraction images)?

If you want to see or post comments on this thread on the IUCR Forum you
can do that at:

 http://forums.iucr.org/viewforum.php?f=21

Also of course posts here on this mailing list are fine.

-Tom T


Re: [ccp4bb] How can improve diffraction quality

2011-10-20 Thread James Holton


An excellent review of this subject was published not long ago:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1107/S0907444905032130

It is even open access!

But, in general the trick to improving diffraction is to get your 
molecules clean, get them to all adopt the same conformation, and then 
sit still.  Adding a column (even if you think your prep is clean) can 
help, as can fractional recrystallization.  Not many people know this, 
but even the much maligned hen egg white lysozyme doesn't diffract very 
well if the prep is contaminated with lysozyme dimers, which is why 
commercial lysozyme is purified by fractional recrystallization.  There 
is a heat-shock treatment described in the above paper, and of course 
additive screens.  The reason why additive screens work seems to be 
because if you can get something to stick to the protein, it is more 
likely to sit still.


-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On 10/18/2011 4:45 AM, Afshan Begum wrote:


 Dear ccp4 user

I am facing one crucial problem regarding diffraction. Actually the 
size of my crystal is good enough 0.5mm but it  was diffracted only 4 A.


The conditions of crystallization recipes are 4.5% PEG 1000, 0.1M Tris 
and 25mM Na citrate. I really need your suggestions regarding  how 
can  i improve my diffraction quality?


Your support is highly appreciable.

Best Regards

AFSHAN