Re: [ccp4bb] What could these crystals be?

2023-11-08 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Hi Careina,

Without knowing what's in your protein buffer or crystallisation condition it's 
hard to comment.

Best wishes,
Steve

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Subject: [ccp4bb] What could these crystals be?

Hi all
We have been trying with no success to crystalize a protein. Recently we got 
these strange shape "crystals". They are hard and flat but they do not diffract 
at all. Any ideas as to what could cause this?
Careina



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Re: [ccp4bb] Question about CCP4 monomer dictionaries

2022-11-28 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Dear Boaz,

You're quite right, in my haste to reply last night I only related part of the 
discussion relating to peroxide.  In a bid to identify the diatomic ligand, 
which appears on oxygen exposure,  I quoted the peroxide bond length as being 
too long, then went on to say it is much more like dioxygen in 
oxyhaemoglobin/myoglobin and referenced structures from yourself and Simon 
Phillips.

Best wishes,
Steve


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From: Boaz Shaanan 
Sent: 28 November 2022 23:33
To: Carr, Stephen (MRC,RAL,RCAH) 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Question about CCP4 monomer dictionaries

Hi stephen,

I obviously don't have the full context of your case, but I am not sure why you 
invoked peroxide as a reference for the O-O bond length in the context of 
oxygen-metal complex. In my good old oxy haemoglobin structure (1HHO) the O-O 
bond length in Fe-O-O  is 1.22 A. It's also worth checking MbO2 with Fe and 
various metals which are most likely higher resolution structures.

 I could of course be completely wrong line of thought.

Cheers,

 Boaz



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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Question about CCP4 monomer dictionaries

Dear BB,

Thank you for all the helpful responses. To give a bit more context to my 
question, I have a 1.2 A structure with a diatomic ligand bound to a metal at 
the active site, which we believe is an oxygen species.  The bond length is 
1.22 A and I made a comment in the discussion that this was unlikely to be a 
peroxide species as the bond length was shorter than the 1.48 A typically 
observed.  The referee has questioned the validity of the 1.48 A, which led to 
my original question.

Best wishes,
Steve

PS I have tried Raman spectroscopy with no definitive result.

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From: Paul Emsley 
Sent: 28 November 2022 19:20
To: Carr, Stephen (MRC,RAL,RCAH) 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Question about CCP4 monomer dictionaries



On 28/11/2022 17:29, 
stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk<mailto:stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk> wrote:
Dear CCPBB,

I have a question regarding the origin of the monomer libraries in CCP4.  I ask 
because I have quoted the bond length listed in the monomer library describing 
peroxide in a manuscript and a referee has asked for a reference since they 
seem to disagree with the quoted value of ~1.48 A. My understanding is that 
parameters describing bond length, angles etc are derived from structures in 
the CSD is this the case?  Is there an appropriate reference out there 
somewhere?


When you say "peroxide," I presume that you mean H2O2. The entry for
that in the monomer library is PEO. The bond length between the oxygen
atoms in PEO is 1.461A.  Perhaps your referee is thinking of the

peroxide ion, which indeed would have a different bond length (1.15).

Both PEO and PER would, to my mind, be susceptible to radiation damage,

so one wonders what is actually in the crystal. To address question, one

would make an "Fearly-Flate" map.


One can (in principle) dig into the Acedrg table of bond lengths to examine how 
many

examples, of this sort of chemistry exist (I did it a few years ago), but I 
don't recall

now how to do it for this example.


Regards,

Paul.



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Re: [ccp4bb] Question about CCP4 monomer dictionaries

2022-11-28 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Dear BB,

Thank you for all the helpful responses. To give a bit more context to my 
question, I have a 1.2 A structure with a diatomic ligand bound to a metal at 
the active site, which we believe is an oxygen species.  The bond length is 
1.22 A and I made a comment in the discussion that this was unlikely to be a 
peroxide species as the bond length was shorter than the 1.48 A typically 
observed.  The referee has questioned the validity of the 1.48 A, which led to 
my original question.

Best wishes,
Steve

PS I have tried Raman spectroscopy with no definitive result.

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From: Paul Emsley 
Sent: 28 November 2022 19:20
To: Carr, Stephen (MRC,RAL,RCAH) 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Question about CCP4 monomer dictionaries



On 28/11/2022 17:29, 
stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk<mailto:stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk> wrote:
Dear CCPBB,

I have a question regarding the origin of the monomer libraries in CCP4.  I ask 
because I have quoted the bond length listed in the monomer library describing 
peroxide in a manuscript and a referee has asked for a reference since they 
seem to disagree with the quoted value of ~1.48 A. My understanding is that 
parameters describing bond length, angles etc are derived from structures in 
the CSD is this the case?  Is there an appropriate reference out there 
somewhere?


When you say "peroxide," I presume that you mean H2O2. The entry for
that in the monomer library is PEO. The bond length between the oxygen
atoms in PEO is 1.461A.  Perhaps your referee is thinking of the

peroxide ion, which indeed would have a different bond length (1.15).

Both PEO and PER would, to my mind, be susceptible to radiation damage,

so one wonders what is actually in the crystal. To address question, one

would make an "Fearly-Flate" map.


One can (in principle) dig into the Acedrg table of bond lengths to examine how 
many

examples, of this sort of chemistry exist (I did it a few years ago), but I 
don't recall

now how to do it for this example.


Regards,

Paul.



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[ccp4bb] Question about CCP4 monomer dictionaries

2022-11-28 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Dear CCPBB,

I have a question regarding the origin of the monomer libraries in CCP4.  I ask 
because I have quoted the bond length listed in the monomer library describing 
peroxide in a manuscript and a referee has asked for a reference since they 
seem to disagree with the quoted value of ~1.48 A. My understanding is that 
parameters describing bond length, angles etc are derived from structures in 
the CSD is this the case?  Is there an appropriate reference out there 
somewhere?

Thanks very much in advance,
Steve


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[ccp4bb] cation-aromatic database

2021-04-20 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Dear BB,

Does anyone know if the cation-aromatic database (Reddy, 2007, Prot Sci) is 
still available?  The link listed in the manuscript 
(http://203.199.182.73/gnsmmg/databases/cad/) no longer appears to work.

Thanks,
Steve

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Re: [ccp4bb] Shipping samples for neutron diffraction

2020-02-23 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Dear Roberto, John, Jahaun, Harry,


Thank you all for the useful suggestions regarding how to transport crystals 
for neutron work.  The bulletin board is once again shown to be an invaluable 
source of information for all things crystallographic.


Best wishes,


Steve


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From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Randy Read 

Sent: 20 February 2020 08:48:47
To: ccp4bb
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Shipping samples for neutron diffraction

Hi Gloria,

While we're confessing to minor economies with the truth, I never travelled to 
the Photon Factory in Japan with crystals of pertussis toxin: they were 
crystals of Bordetella pertussis ADP-ribosyltransferase.

Randy

On 20 Feb 2020, at 02:47, Gloria Borgstahl 
mailto:gborgst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Actually we don't declare anything to TSA, Jahaun just carries them in his 
carryon and it is fine.  Easy peasy?


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 3:48 PM 
<0c2488af9525-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk<mailto:0c2488af9525-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk>>
 wrote:

... and don't say you're travelling with heavy water!

Jon Cooper

On 19 Feb 2020 17:12, "Azadmanesh, Jahaun" 
mailto:jahaun.azadman...@unmc.edu>> wrote:
Hello,

I have traveled to a neutron beamline ~6 times over the past several years.

I have had awful luck shipping crystals, so I decided to hand-carry and I found 
this best.

I'm not sure what conditions you plan to shoot your crystals.  I mount my 
crystals in a sturdy quartz capillary (from vitrocom), seal the ends with a 
layer of wax, then two coats of nail polish (choose your favorite prettiest 
color!)

I would then wrap the capillary in cotton from a cottonball, then "stuff" the 
capillary-cotton combination in a 15 mL falcon tube for a snug fit. For extra 
assurance, the falcon tubes were placed inside a generous amount of bubble-wrap 
that was then taped inside a small cardboard box.

I have sought anaerobic conditions for several of my samples to acquire a 
desired redox state of my metallo-protein. This was tough, so instead I used a 
high-ish concentration of my redox agent dissolved in my reservoir solution 
"slugs" in the capillary. These would be replaced in intervals with fresh slugs 
prior to the beamtime, and for sure right before the beamtime. The redox state 
held for my ~10 days of beamtime and several months after.

For cryo-conditions, I just placed a bunch of my crystals in a capillary filled 
with reservoir solution and sealed as above. I would do my chemical 
manipulations and freezing at the beamline.

Much more details are found in our publication: 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30279321

Hope this helps!

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Subject: [ccp4bb] Shipping samples for neutron diffraction

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Dear CCP4 community,


I have an impending trip to a neutron source and was wondering how people tend 
to ship their samples prior to beam time?  Is sending something frozen best or 
is sealed in a capillary more sensible or is there another better way?  One 
caveat is that ideally my sample should remain anaerobic which has me leaning 
towards frozen, but I guess in pcr type tubes sealed in gas tight vessels is 
also a viable option?


Any thoughts or suggestions are very much appreciated.


Best wishes,


Steve


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[ccp4bb] Shipping samples for neutron diffraction

2020-02-19 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Dear CCP4 community,


I have an impending trip to a neutron source and was wondering how people tend 
to ship their samples prior to beam time?  Is sending something frozen best or 
is sealed in a capillary more sensible or is there another better way?  One 
caveat is that ideally my sample should remain anaerobic which has me leaning 
towards frozen, but I guess in pcr type tubes sealed in gas tight vessels is 
also a viable option?


Any thoughts or suggestions are very much appreciated.


Best wishes,


Steve


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Re: [ccp4bb] Errors reading mmcif files when trying to deposit coordinates to pdb

2019-09-25 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Dear Roberto,


I am using ccp4i at the moment, but am trying i2 to see if this corrects the 
problem.  I have also tried pdb-extract as suggested by Isobel, but am still 
awaiting the results.


Thanks fir the suggestions so far,


Steve


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From: Steiner, Roberto 
Sent: 25 September 2019 15:08:11
To: Carr, Stephen (MRC,RAL,RCAH)
Cc: ccp4bb
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Errors reading mmcif files when trying to deposit 
coordinates to pdb

I assume you’re using ccp4i and not i2. If you use the latter the mmcif coords 
file produced should be ok.
I have had the same problem a few days ago.

Best wishes
Roberto


On 25 Sep 2019, at 15:00, 
stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk<mailto:stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk> 
mailto:stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk>> wrote:

Dear ccp4ers,


I have refined several structures using refmac5 within ccp4i and tried to 
upload the output mmcif files to the pdb in order to deposit the 
coordinates/structure factors.

However, during the initial upload process when the files are scanned I get the 
following errors:


ERROR - Read file 'input_file_1' failed:

syntax error at line 30421

ERROR - syntax error at line 30426

Warning - Duplicate category name chem_comp_atom at line 30428

Warning - Duplicate category name chem_comp_bond at line 30446

Warning - Duplicate category name chem_comp_angle at line 30467

ERROR - syntax error at line 30581

ERROR - syntax error at line 30585


These all lie after the coordinates in the dictionary part of the file.  When I 
have investigated this I cannot see any duplicated category names that would 
result in the above warnings and the syntax errors are not a result of anything 
obvious.  I have checked for hidden characters, found none, and can see nothing 
else wrong.  Finally, line 30585 does not exist, the file stops at 30584.


Has anyone had similar problems or any suggestions that might solve this?


Thanks,


Steve


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[ccp4bb] Errors reading mmcif files when trying to deposit coordinates to pdb

2019-09-25 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Dear ccp4ers,


I have refined several structures using refmac5 within ccp4i and tried to 
upload the output mmcif files to the pdb in order to deposit the 
coordinates/structure factors.

However, during the initial upload process when the files are scanned I get the 
following errors:


ERROR - Read file 'input_file_1' failed:

syntax error at line 30421

ERROR - syntax error at line 30426

Warning - Duplicate category name chem_comp_atom at line 30428

Warning - Duplicate category name chem_comp_bond at line 30446

Warning - Duplicate category name chem_comp_angle at line 30467

ERROR - syntax error at line 30581

ERROR - syntax error at line 30585


These all lie after the coordinates in the dictionary part of the file.  When I 
have investigated this I cannot see any duplicated category names that would 
result in the above warnings and the syntax errors are not a result of anything 
obvious.  I have checked for hidden characters, found none, and can see nothing 
else wrong.  Finally, line 30585 does not exist, the file stops at 30584.


Has anyone had similar problems or any suggestions that might solve this?


Thanks,


Steve


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Re: [ccp4bb] KCl in SDS-PAGE workarounds?

2019-03-03 Thread stephen.c...@rc-harwell.ac.uk
Hi Jacob,

If you keep the protein solution warm the KDS  remains soluble. Just load the 
sample on the gel immediately after heating to denature.  This has allowed me 
to load samples containing up to 1.5M KCl with no problems.

Best wishes,

Steve

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SDS is soluble, whereas the potassium salt of dodecyl sulphate is insoluble. 
You could try 18-Crown-6 ether to chelate the potassium, though I don't know if 
the crown ether would then affect the gel.


Dan


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Dear crystallographers,



It has been my experience that KCl does nasty things when loading SDS-PAGE 
gels. Does anyone have an easy workaround, perhaps TCA precipitation? Ideally 
this would be something nicely quantitative yet quick and easy….



Any suggestions appreciated.



All the best,



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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] ionic strength for extraction buffer of membrane proteins



Hi Alex,



In my experience you just have to experiment with these parameters (in however 
of a limited space that is afforded by your experimental set-up). If you have 
the right tools you can slog through semifactorial or DoE-based scouting of 
various parameters with relative ease. These parameters typically include pH, 
salinity, detergent(s), and other variables (e.g. the nature of the buffer and 
salt(s) - many cases exist where the 'standard' choices do not work well).



Literature-based analogies do help on occasion. For example, membrane-spanning 
p450-type proteins often prefer high salt, and often would do better in sodium 
acetate as opposed to chloride. I've worked with ion channels that preferred 3M 
NaCl, or 2M MgCl2 and other fairly weird conditions...



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On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:27 AM Alex Perálvarez Marín 
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Dear all,

any reference as a guide for selecting the appropriate salt and
concentration for membrane proteins extraction buffer?

Best,

Alex

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