[ccp4bb] About molecular replacement

2013-09-12 Thread Dhanasekaran Varudharasu
Dear crystallographers,

  I have solved a structure of a glucose
binding protein of CE4 family. When I try to solve the structure using the
same CE4 family enzyme as search model, it failed for many case. Finally, I
solved the with a same family enzyme used as search model. As soon as I
solved the structure, I superposed my final refined model with structures
of CE4 family enzymes which did not produce the good molecular replacement
solution for my enzyme. I found that all are having (Beta/alpha)7 fold and
superpose very well with my model. Whereas, some loop region are not
superpose very well. My doubt is why molecular replacement failed thought
over-all fold is same?.


-- 
*Dhanasekaran Varudharasu*
Post-Doctoral Fellow
Department of Oral Biology
Rutgers school of Dental Medicine
Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences
Newark, NJ 07103
USA


Re: [ccp4bb] About molecular replacement

2013-09-12 Thread David Schuller
Perhaps some correct solutions were thrown out due to packing 
considerations.


There are a few methods to address that possibility. You could use a 
search model with large loops trimmed, especially is a sequence 
comparison shows they are probably not conserved. Or you could search 
with a suite of structures from the family.



On 09/12/13 17:21, Dhanasekaran Varudharasu wrote:

Dear crystallographers,

  I have solved a structure of a 
glucose binding protein of CE4 family. When I try to solve the 
structure using the same CE4 family enzyme as search model, it failed 
for many case. Finally, I solved the with a same family enzyme used as 
search model. As soon as I solved the structure, I superposed my final 
refined model with structures of CE4 family enzymes which did not 
produce the good molecular replacement solution for my enzyme. I found 
that all are having (Beta/alpha)7 fold and superpose very well with my 
model. Whereas, some loop region are not superpose very well. My doubt 
is why molecular replacement failed thought over-all fold is same?.



--
*Dhanasekaran Varudharasu*
Post-Doctoral Fellow
Department of Oral Biology
Rutgers school of Dental Medicine
Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences
Newark, NJ 07103
USA






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   schul...@cornell.edu



Re: [ccp4bb] About molecular replacement

2013-09-12 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
Dear Dhanasekaran,

There are many examples of molecular replacement failing even in cases
where the model and target structure share 100% sequence identity. These
examples illuminate several factors that MR search strategies are sensitive
to, including percent sequence identity and related parameters like RMSD
from target, the impact of loops, small domain movements etc.

So if you want to learn in more depth about what makes a good model and
what makes or breaks an MR search, perhaps some googling combined with a
bit of obsessive reading might help. I actually found a ton of thoroughly
helpful articles and reviews for MR on the web without too much sweat.

Best wishes,
Raji



On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Dhanasekaran Varudharasu 
dhana...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear crystallographers,

   I have solved a structure of a glucose
 binding protein of CE4 family. When I try to solve the structure using the
 same CE4 family enzyme as search model, it failed for many case. Finally, I
 solved the with a same family enzyme used as search model. As soon as I
 solved the structure, I superposed my final refined model with structures
 of CE4 family enzymes which did not produce the good molecular replacement
 solution for my enzyme. I found that all are having (Beta/alpha)7 fold and
 superpose very well with my model. Whereas, some loop region are not
 superpose very well. My doubt is why molecular replacement failed thought
 over-all fold is same?.


 --
 *Dhanasekaran Varudharasu*
 Post-Doctoral Fellow
 Department of Oral Biology
 Rutgers school of Dental Medicine
 Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences
 Newark, NJ 07103
 USA






-- 
Raji Edayathumangalam
Instructor in Neurology, Harvard Medical School
Research Associate, Brigham and Women's Hospital
Visiting Research Scholar, Brandeis University