[ccp4bb] Crystallization with antibody

2012-06-28 Thread Theresa Hsu
Dear crystallographers

Trying to crystallize a membrane protein complex of 100 kDa with a soluble 
protein of 20 kDa which is interact with the membrane protein. So far, no 
co-crystals in  200 conditions. Some conditions gave crystals but mass spec of 
crystals show only either one protein present. I am thinking of antibody but 
don't know where to start. Can I use the anti-His tag antibody?

Thank you.


Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization with antibody

2012-06-28 Thread Jon Agirre
I would advise against using anti-His FaBs for that particular purpose.
Even if you get them to bind to your complex, the inherent flexibility of
the terminal regions were His-tags are placed might ruin the final result,
and they're not cheap to begin with.

You can further characterize your system to spot if there are certain
experimental conditions that dissociate the complex, in order to avoid
designing crystallization trials that include those. There are a lot of
things to be tested before jumping into the Antibody train, and 200
conditions don't seem enough test ground to me for discarding traditional
screening.

Good luck,

Jon

2012/6/28 Theresa Hsu theresah...@live.com

 Dear crystallographers

 Trying to crystallize a membrane protein complex of 100 kDa with a soluble
 protein of 20 kDa which is interact with the membrane protein. So far, no
 co-crystals in  200 conditions. Some conditions gave crystals but mass
 spec of crystals show only either one protein present. I am thinking of
 antibody but don't know where to start. Can I use the anti-His tag antibody?

 Thank you.




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Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization with antibody

2012-06-28 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Try seeding the complex with the crystals that you have.  If you have
crystals of both proteins, crush them and mix them together.  Suspend
the seeds in whichever reservoir solution has the least salt in it*
(or suspend in 50% PEG**) .  Use random Microseed Matrix Screening
(rMMS) i.e. microseeding into random screens***.

rMMS with crystals of one component of a complex has successfully
given crystals of the complex in the past.  It's very quick and easy
to try with a robot or by hand.


*Radaev and Sun, J. Appl. Cryst. (2002). 35, 674-676
** Cryst. Growth Design (2011) 11(8), 3432-3441
*** D’Arcy et al. Acta Cryst. (2007). D63 550-554
 http://www.douglas.co.uk/MMS_proc.htm



On 28 June 2012 13:25, Theresa Hsu theresah...@live.com wrote:
 Dear crystallographers

 Trying to crystallize a membrane protein complex of 100 kDa with a soluble 
 protein of 20 kDa which is interact with the membrane protein. So far, no 
 co-crystals in  200 conditions. Some conditions gave crystals but mass spec 
 of crystals show only either one protein present. I am thinking of antibody 
 but don't know where to start. Can I use the anti-His tag antibody?

 Thank you.



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Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization with antibody

2012-06-28 Thread Hargreaves, David
There are plenty of reports (some even successful) where small concentrations 
of proteases have been used to enable crystallisation (with soluble proteins). 
Having put the effort into getting your material in the first place it's a 
small extra step to try. The professional way is to run a time coarse 
proteolysis and analyse the protein fragment you get or you can just add a bit 
of you favourite protease to the drop. I guess if your complex is stable enough 
it might survive this treatment.

There are companies that will raise specific antibodies, scFvs or other 
immunoglobulin (and possibly non-immunoglobulin) like molecules to your 
components or complex using technologies like phage/ribosome display. From 
experience this option could be very time consuming and expensive requiring 
much iteration. Generating entities with sufficient affinity that bind a 
desirable epitope and producing them on a crystallisation scale is not easy.

You could screen more conditions but there is a law of diminishing returns 
(redundancy in crystallisation conditions)

Try the simple things first...

David Hargreaves
Associate Principal Scientist
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AstraZeneca
DECS, CPSS
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Subject: [ccp4bb] Crystallization with antibody

Dear crystallographers

Trying to crystallize a membrane protein complex of 100 kDa with a soluble 
protein of 20 kDa which is interact with the membrane protein. So far, no 
co-crystals in  200 conditions. Some conditions gave crystals but mass spec of 
crystals show only either one protein present. I am thinking of antibody but 
don't know where to start. Can I use the anti-His tag antibody?

Thank you.