Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-22 Thread Eugene Osipov 
Dear Tom,
I updated the workstation with Ubuntu 16.04->20.04  This update broke 3d
vision and I am thinking about moving back to Ubuntu 16.04. Other programs
work well.




вс, 21 февр. 2021 г. в 10:59, Folmer Fredslund :

> Dear Tom
>
> Be aware that python2 is currently not supported.  It is end-of-life since
> 1/1-2020 and is not part of Ubuntu 20.04
>
> This might not be a big concern, bit depends on which software you use.
>
>
> Best regards
> Folmer
>
>
>
> lør. 20. feb. 2021 21.50 skrev Peat, Tom (Manufacturing, Parkville)
> :
>
>> Speaking of Linux, but somewhat tangential to the thread:
>> Ubuntu has recently released their newest version 20.04 (Focal Fossa).
>> Has anyone implemented this and is there anything that doesn't work? Any
>> gotchas that one might want to be aware of?
>>
>> Cheers, tom
>>
>> Tom Peat, PhD
>> Proteins Group
>> Biomedical Program, CSIRO
>> 343 Royal Parade
>> Parkville, VIC, 3052
>> +613 9662 7304
>> +614 57 539 419
>> tom.p...@csiro.au
>>
>> --
>> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Tim Gruene
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 21, 2021 2:35 AM
>> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>> *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is
>> CentOS still a good choice?
>>
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> I have been using Debian for more than a decade. Every stable release
>> is supported for at least 5 years.
>> Many crystallographic libraries and some programs are part of the
>> standard repository, like raster3d, pymol, shelxle, libccp4,
>> libclipper, ...
>>
>> Debian is particularly stable, and requires little maintenance.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:35:46 +0100
>> Matthias Zeug  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches
>> > their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing
>> > CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unlea
>> > shes-storm-of-dissent/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as
>> > scientific programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix,
>> > and ccp4 - are often not *that* well maintained for an extended
>> > period. I had the impression CentOS was liked especially for its
>> > "unbreakability,"  and it seems to be the main developing platform
>> > for some widely used smaller programs (e.g., adxv).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when
>> > setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to
>> > CentOS?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please let me know what you think :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matthias
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matthias Zeug
>> >
>> > Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences
>> >
>> > Goethe University Frankfurt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-21 Thread Folmer Fredslund 
Dear Tom

Be aware that python2 is currently not supported.  It is end-of-life since
1/1-2020 and is not part of Ubuntu 20.04

This might not be a big concern, bit depends on which software you use.


Best regards
Folmer



lør. 20. feb. 2021 21.50 skrev Peat, Tom (Manufacturing, Parkville)
:

> Speaking of Linux, but somewhat tangential to the thread:
> Ubuntu has recently released their newest version 20.04 (Focal Fossa).
> Has anyone implemented this and is there anything that doesn't work? Any
> gotchas that one might want to be aware of?
>
> Cheers, tom
>
> Tom Peat, PhD
> Proteins Group
> Biomedical Program, CSIRO
> 343 Royal Parade
> Parkville, VIC, 3052
> +613 9662 7304
> +614 57 539 419
> tom.p...@csiro.au
>
> --
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> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is
> CentOS still a good choice?
>
> Hi Matthias,
>
> I have been using Debian for more than a decade. Every stable release
> is supported for at least 5 years.
> Many crystallographic libraries and some programs are part of the
> standard repository, like raster3d, pymol, shelxle, libccp4,
> libclipper, ...
>
> Debian is particularly stable, and requires little maintenance.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:35:46 +0100
> Matthias Zeug  wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches
> > their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing
> > CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):
> >
> >
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/
> >
> >
> https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unlea
> > shes-storm-of-dissent/
> >
> >
> >
> > I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as
> > scientific programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix,
> > and ccp4 - are often not *that* well maintained for an extended
> > period. I had the impression CentOS was liked especially for its
> > "unbreakability,"  and it seems to be the main developing platform
> > for some widely used smaller programs (e.g., adxv).
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when
> > setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to
> > CentOS?
> >
> >
> >
> > Please let me know what you think :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthias Zeug
> >
> > Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences
> >
> > Goethe University Frankfurt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-20 Thread Robbie Joosten 
Big fan of Ubuntu here. The Long Term Support versions work very well and 
everything you need is on them. At the same time Debian tends to be less 
conservative that the Red Had universe which typically makes it easier to get 
modern things running. Also the Ubuntu on WSL (Windows) is a lifesaver and is 
really easy to use.

We are bringing more and more of our software the Debian repository. It makes 
it much easier to deploy. 

Cheers,
Robbie

> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board  On Behalf Of Tim
> Gruene
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 16:36
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS 
> still
> a good choice?
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> I have been using Debian for more than a decade. Every stable release is
> supported for at least 5 years.
> Many crystallographic libraries and some programs are part of the standard
> repository, like raster3d, pymol, shelxle, libccp4, libclipper, ...
> 
> Debian is particularly stable, and requires little maintenance.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tim
> 
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:35:46 +0100
> Matthias Zeug  wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches
> > their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing
> > CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):
> >
> > https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-
> str
> > eam/
> >
> > https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos
> > -unlea
> > shes-storm-of-dissent/
> >
> >
> >
> > I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as
> > scientific programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix, and
> > ccp4 - are often not *that* well maintained for an extended period. I
> > had the impression CentOS was liked especially for its
> > "unbreakability,"  and it seems to be the main developing platform for
> > some widely used smaller programs (e.g., adxv).
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when
> > setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to
> > CentOS?
> >
> >
> >
> > Please let me know what you think :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthias Zeug
> >
> > Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences
> >
> > Goethe University Frankfurt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-20 Thread Peat, Tom (Manufacturing, Parkville) 
Speaking of Linux, but somewhat tangential to the thread:
Ubuntu has recently released their newest version 20.04 (Focal Fossa).
Has anyone implemented this and is there anything that doesn't work? Any 
gotchas that one might want to be aware of?

Cheers, tom

Tom Peat, PhD
Proteins Group
Biomedical Program, CSIRO
343 Royal Parade
Parkville, VIC, 3052
+613 9662 7304
+614 57 539 419
tom.p...@csiro.au


From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Tim Gruene
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 2:35 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS 
still a good choice?

Hi Matthias,

I have been using Debian for more than a decade. Every stable release
is supported for at least 5 years.
Many crystallographic libraries and some programs are part of the
standard repository, like raster3d, pymol, shelxle, libccp4,
libclipper, ...

Debian is particularly stable, and requires little maintenance.

Cheers,
Tim

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:35:46 +0100
Matthias Zeug  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches
> their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing
> CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):
>
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/
>
> https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unlea
> shes-storm-of-dissent/
>
>
>
> I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as
> scientific programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix,
> and ccp4 - are often not *that* well maintained for an extended
> period. I had the impression CentOS was liked especially for its
> "unbreakability,"  and it seems to be the main developing platform
> for some widely used smaller programs (e.g., adxv).
>
>
>
> Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when
> setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to
> CentOS?
>
>
>
> Please let me know what you think :-)
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
>
>
> Matthias Zeug
>
> Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences
>
> Goethe University Frankfurt
>
>
>
>
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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-20 Thread Christine Gee 
Hi all,

We use Debian and SBGRID. We have coot and pymol running in stereo with 3D 
vision glasses. 
If that’s helpful. 

Regards
Christine. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 20, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Paul Emsley  wrote:
> 
> FWIW, looks like somebody at ETH Zurich is (or had been) trying to bring 
> Coot into the OS:
> 
> http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/coot/coot-0.9.2/
> 
> Hello! Let me know if I can help.
> 
> Paul.
> 
> 
>> On 20/02/2021 15:35, Tim Gruene wrote:
>> Hi Matthias,
>> 
>> I have been using Debian for more than a decade. Every stable release
>> is supported for at least 5 years.
>> Many crystallographic libraries and some programs are part of the
>> standard repository, like raster3d, pymol, shelxle, libccp4,
>> libclipper, ...
>> 
>> Debian is particularly stable, and requires little maintenance.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> 
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:35:46 +0100
>> Matthias Zeug  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches
>>> their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing
>>> CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):
>>> 
>>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/
>>> 
>>> https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unlea
>>> shes-storm-of-dissent/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as
>>> scientific programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix,
>>> and ccp4 - are often not *that* well maintained for an extended
>>> period. I had the impression CentOS was liked especially for its
>>> "unbreakability,"  and it seems to be the main developing platform
>>> for some widely used smaller programs (e.g., adxv).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when
>>> setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to
>>> CentOS?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please let me know what you think :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthias Zeug
>>> 
>>> Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences
>>> 
>>> Goethe University Frankfurt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-20 Thread Paul Emsley 
FWIW, looks like somebody at ETH Zurich is (or had been) trying to bring 
Coot into the OS:


http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/coot/coot-0.9.2/

Hello! Let me know if I can help.

Paul.


On 20/02/2021 15:35, Tim Gruene wrote:

Hi Matthias,

I have been using Debian for more than a decade. Every stable release
is supported for at least 5 years.
Many crystallographic libraries and some programs are part of the
standard repository, like raster3d, pymol, shelxle, libccp4,
libclipper, ...

Debian is particularly stable, and requires little maintenance.

Cheers,
Tim

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:35:46 +0100
Matthias Zeug  wrote:


Hi all,



I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches
their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing
CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):

https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/

https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unlea
shes-storm-of-dissent/



I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as
scientific programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix,
and ccp4 - are often not *that* well maintained for an extended
period. I had the impression CentOS was liked especially for its
"unbreakability,"  and it seems to be the main developing platform
for some widely used smaller programs (e.g., adxv).



Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when
setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to
CentOS?



Please let me know what you think :-)



Best,



Matthias





Matthias Zeug

Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences

Goethe University Frankfurt






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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-20 Thread Tim Gruene 
Hi Matthias,

I have been using Debian for more than a decade. Every stable release
is supported for at least 5 years. 
Many crystallographic libraries and some programs are part of the
standard repository, like raster3d, pymol, shelxle, libccp4,
libclipper, ...

Debian is particularly stable, and requires little maintenance. 

Cheers,
Tim

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:35:46 +0100
Matthias Zeug  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches
> their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing
> CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):
> 
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/
> 
> https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unlea
> shes-storm-of-dissent/
> 
> 
> 
> I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as
> scientific programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix,
> and ccp4 - are often not *that* well maintained for an extended
> period. I had the impression CentOS was liked especially for its
> "unbreakability,"  and it seems to be the main developing platform
> for some widely used smaller programs (e.g., adxv).
> 
> 
> 
> Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when
> setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to
> CentOS?
> 
> 
> 
> Please let me know what you think :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences
> 
> Goethe University Frankfurt
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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-19 Thread Kay Diederichs 
completely agree! There are actually several potential CentOS replacements, if 
needed.

Kay


On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 13:47:25 -0800, Dale Tronrud  wrote:

>For what it's worth, CentOS 7 will continue to be supported to the 
>middle of 2024.  That will give you time to see how all this shakes out.
>
>https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product
>
>Since Red Hat Linux is founded on open source software anyone can fork a 
>new Linux distribution based on it, just like CentOS was.  There already 
>is one project doing exactly that
>
>https://www.zdnet.com/article/almalinux-the-centos-linux-replacement-beta-is-out/
>
>You can use the three years of life of CentOS 7 to watch what 
>happens and make a choice then.
>
>While I certainly dabble in distros, for the systems I use the big, 
>crystallographic, packages on I tend to follow the pack and use a Linux 
>that is widely used.  I'll stick with 7 until the rest of you settle on 
>something.  I'm in no hurry.
>
>Dale Tronrud
>
>On 2/19/2021 12:35 PM, Matthias Zeug wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches 
>> their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing 
>> CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):
>> 
>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/
>> 
>> https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unleashes-storm-of-dissent/
>> 
>> I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as scientific 
>> programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix, and ccp4 - are 
>> often not **that** well maintained for an extended period. I had the 
>> impression CentOS was liked especially for its �unbreakability,�� and it 
>> seems to be the main developing platform for some widely used smaller 
>> programs (e.g., adxv).
>> 
>> Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when 
>> setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to 
>> CentOS?
>> 
>> Please let me know what you think :-)
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> Matthias Zeug
>> 
>> Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences
>> 
>> Goethe University Frankfurt
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-19 Thread Dale Tronrud 
   For what it's worth, CentOS 7 will continue to be supported to the 
middle of 2024.  That will give you time to see how all this shakes out.


https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product

Since Red Hat Linux is founded on open source software anyone can fork a 
new Linux distribution based on it, just like CentOS was.  There already 
is one project doing exactly that


https://www.zdnet.com/article/almalinux-the-centos-linux-replacement-beta-is-out/

   You can use the three years of life of CentOS 7 to watch what 
happens and make a choice then.


   While I certainly dabble in distros, for the systems I use the big, 
crystallographic, packages on I tend to follow the pack and use a Linux 
that is widely used.  I'll stick with 7 until the rest of you settle on 
something.  I'm in no hurry.


Dale Tronrud

On 2/19/2021 12:35 PM, Matthias Zeug wrote:

Hi all,

I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches 
their support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing 
CentOS Linux by CentOS Stream):


https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/

https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unleashes-storm-of-dissent/

I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as scientific 
programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix, and ccp4 - are 
often not **that** well maintained for an extended period. I had the 
impression CentOS was liked especially for its “unbreakability,”  and it 
seems to be the main developing platform for some widely used smaller 
programs (e.g., adxv).


Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when 
setting up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to 
CentOS?


Please let me know what you think :-)

Best,

Matthias

Matthias Zeug

Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences

Goethe University Frankfurt




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Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-19 Thread Ethan A Merritt 
Well, since you ask...

I prefer, and recommend, Mageia.  Second choice SuSE.

I find that the default configuration and choice of packages on these
are a better fit to my use in development and computation both on my
lab machines/servers and on my desktop/laptop. 

cheers,
Ethan

On Friday, 19 February 2021 12:35:46 PST Matthias Zeug wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches their
> support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing CentOS Linux
> by CentOS Stream):
> 
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/
> 
> https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unlea
> shes-storm-of-dissent/
> 
> 
> 
> I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as scientific
> programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix, and ccp4 - are often
> not *that* well maintained for an extended period. I had the impression
> CentOS was liked especially for its "unbreakability,"  and it seems to be
> the main developing platform for some widely used smaller programs (e.g.,
> adxv).
> 
> 
> 
> Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when setting
> up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to CentOS?
> 
> 
> 
> Please let me know what you think :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Zeug
> 
> Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences
> 
> Goethe University Frankfurt
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-19 Thread Matthias Zeug 
Hi all,



I just came across the (already quite old) news that Red-Hat switches their
support-policy for CentOS to a rolling preview model (replacing CentOS Linux
by CentOS Stream):

https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-red-hat-dumped-centos-for-centos-stream/

https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/01/22/red-hats-disruption-of-centos-unlea
shes-storm-of-dissent/



I wondered if that has any implications for the community, as scientific
programs - maybe except the big ones like coot, Phenix, and ccp4 - are often
not *that* well maintained for an extended period. I had the impression
CentOS was liked especially for its "unbreakability,"  and it seems to be
the main developing platform for some widely used smaller programs (e.g.,
adxv).



Do you think it would be advisable to switch to a Ubuntu-distro when setting
up new workstations in the future, or is it safe to stick to CentOS?



Please let me know what you think :-)



Best,



Matthias





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Buchmann Institute of Molecular Life Sciences

Goethe University Frankfurt






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