Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
I have to withdraw what I stated in the post below. I forget and overlooked that we have bltwish installed together with ccp4i. I would like to apologise, Tim On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 08:20:13AM +0200, Tim Gruene wrote: Dear Bill, as I pointed out in my previous post I have the impression that using wish (instead of bltwish) libblt provided in Debian stable now works fine with ccp4, including loggraph etc. So it might be too late for a complaint, although my statement is based only on a first impression rather than an extensive test. Tim On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 07:58:50PM -0700, William G. Scott wrote: Yo Hari: The symbolic link won't solve the problem. I managed to scrape together a blt for tcltk 8.5 on OSX, so it is possible. Most of the hacks in turn came from a different Linux distro (gentoo) so it should be possible on ubuntu. Here by the way is the patch: http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fink/dists/10.4/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/blt-x86_64.patch debian and ubuntu distribute blt without the bltwish executable, and I apparently put a huge weed up their arse a couple of years ago by reporting this as a bug. They are totally inflexible. Like IT support people, the maintainers think you work for them rather than vice versa. It might be worth flooding them with complaints and bug reports. Bill On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:49 AM, hari jayaram hari...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tim, Thanks a tonne Tim for the pointer on how bltwish is handled in debian. A symlink from /usr/bin/wish to /usr/bin/bltwish. Seems to at-least start ccp4i. Now to see if it will also plot my graphs Hari -- -- Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A -- -- Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Hello ,
I applied a few of the patches that Bill Scott suggested ( esp this blt
x86_64
patchhttp://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/fink/dists/10.4/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/blt-x86_64.patch?revision=1.1)
and compiled blt2.4z , x86_64 (amd64) with Tcl 8.5 and Tk 8.5. ( gcc version
gcc (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) 4.4.3)
Although the compilation proceeded ( with a modification of the Makefile
-diff below) without any glitches
ccp4i failed to launch with the errors given below.
For some reason gcc 4.4.3 or make didnt support the --compatibilty_version
and --current_version flags.
I did manage to use a gcc 4.2.4 compiled binary from another amd64 machine
on this machine .
Thanks for your help
Hari
###
ccp4i startup erros
###
Application initialization failed: invalid command name tcl_findLibrary
Top level CCP4 directory is /home/hari/ccp4src-try/ccp4-6.1.3
Using CCP4 programs from /home/hari/ccp4src-try/ccp4-6.1.3/bin
Error in startup script: invalid command name ::tcl::tm::UnknownHandler
while executing
::tcl::tm::UnknownHandler ::tclPkgUnknown msgcat 1.4
(package unknown script)
invoked from within
package require msgcat 1.4
(uplevel body line 2)
invoked from within
uplevel \#0 {
package require msgcat 1.4
if { $::tcl_platform(platform) eq {windows} } {
if { [catch { package require registry 1.1 }] } {
...
(file /usr/lib/tcl8.5/clock.tcl line 23)
invoked from within
source -encoding utf-8 [file join $TclLibDir clock.tcl]
(procedure ::tcl::clock::format line 3)
invoked from within
clock format $secs -format %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S
(procedure GetDate line 43)
invoked from within
GetDate
(procedure CreateSessionLog line 12)
invoked from within
CreateSessionLog
(procedure taskbrowser line 30)
invoked from within
$system(RUN_MODE)
(default arm line 9)
invoked from within
switch $system(RUN_MODE) \
script {
# Run a script ($CCP4I/scripts/project.script) with parameters from def file
source [file join $env(CCP4I_...
(file /home/hari/ccp4src-try/ccp4-6.1.3/ccp4i/bin/ccp4i.tcl line 163)
invoked from within
source [file join $env(CCP4I_TOP) bin ccp4i.tcl]
(file /home/hari/ccp4src-try/ccp4-6.1.3/ccp4i/bin/ccp4i line 5)
Makefile modifications to get blt2.4z to compile on gcc 4.4.3
diff --git a/src/shared/Makefile b/src/shared/Makefile
index 78153cb..aec1d1c 100644
--- a/src/shared/Makefile
+++ b/src/shared/Makefile
@@ -145,14 +145,14 @@ $(lib_so): $(OBJS)
$(CC) -c $(CC_SWITCHES) -DBLT_LIBRARY=\$(scriptdir)\ \
$(srcdir)/bltInit.c
$(RM) $@
- $(SHLIB_LD) $(SHLIB_LD_FLAGS) -o $@ -install_name $(libdir)/$@
-compatibility_version 2.0 -current_version 2.4 bltInit.o $(OBJS) \
+ $(SHLIB_LD) $(SHLIB_LD_FLAGS) -o $@ -install_name $(libdir)/$@
bltInit.o $(OBJS) \
$(SHLIB_LIB_SPECS) $(LIBS)
$(tcl_only_lib_so): $(TCL_ONLY_OBJS)
$(CC) -c $(CC_SWITCHES) -DTCL_ONLY -DBLT_LIBRARY=\$(scriptdir)\ \
$(srcdir)/bltInit.c
$(RM) $@
- $(SHLIB_LD) $(SHLIB_LD_FLAGS) -o $@ -install_name $(libdir)/$@
-compatibility_version 2.0 -current_version 2.4 bltInit.o
$(TCL_ONLY_OBJS) \
+ $(SHLIB_LD) $(SHLIB_LD_FLAGS) -o $@ -install_name $(libdir)/$@
bltInit.o $(TCL_ONLY_OBJS) \
$(SHLIB_TCL_ONLY_LIB_SPECS) $(TCL_ONLY_LIB_SPECS)
Thanks
Hari
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote:
I have to withdraw what I stated in the post below. I forget and
overlooked that
we have bltwish installed together with ccp4i.
I would like to apologise, Tim
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 08:20:13AM +0200, Tim Gruene wrote:
Dear Bill,
as I pointed out in my previous post I have the impression that using
wish
(instead of bltwish) libblt provided in Debian stable now works fine with
ccp4,
including loggraph etc.
So it might be too late for a complaint, although my statement is based
only on
a first impression rather than an extensive test.
Tim
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 07:58:50PM -0700, William G. Scott wrote:
Yo Hari:
The symbolic link won't solve the problem.
I managed to scrape together a blt for tcltk 8.5 on OSX, so it is
possible. Most of the hacks in turn came from a different Linux distro
(gentoo) so it should be possible on ubuntu.
Here by the way is the patch:
http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fink/dists/10.4/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/blt-x86_64.patch
debian and ubuntu distribute blt without the bltwish executable, and I
apparently put a huge weed up their arse a couple of years ago by reporting
this as a bug. They are totally inflexible. Like IT support people, the
maintainers think you work for them rather than vice versa. It might be
worth flooding them with complaints and bug reports.
Bill
On Apr 14, 2010, at
Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Dear Bill, as I pointed out in my previous post I have the impression that using wish (instead of bltwish) libblt provided in Debian stable now works fine with ccp4, including loggraph etc. So it might be too late for a complaint, although my statement is based only on a first impression rather than an extensive test. Tim On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 07:58:50PM -0700, William G. Scott wrote: Yo Hari: The symbolic link won't solve the problem. I managed to scrape together a blt for tcltk 8.5 on OSX, so it is possible. Most of the hacks in turn came from a different Linux distro (gentoo) so it should be possible on ubuntu. Here by the way is the patch: http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fink/dists/10.4/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/blt-x86_64.patch debian and ubuntu distribute blt without the bltwish executable, and I apparently put a huge weed up their arse a couple of years ago by reporting this as a bug. They are totally inflexible. Like IT support people, the maintainers think you work for them rather than vice versa. It might be worth flooding them with complaints and bug reports. Bill On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:49 AM, hari jayaram hari...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tim, Thanks a tonne Tim for the pointer on how bltwish is handled in debian. A symlink from /usr/bin/wish to /usr/bin/bltwish. Seems to at-least start ccp4i. Now to see if it will also plot my graphs Hari -- -- Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Yo Hari: The symbolic link won't solve the problem. I managed to scrape together a blt for tcltk 8.5 on OSX, so it is possible. Most of the hacks in turn came from a different Linux distro (gentoo) so it should be possible on ubuntu. Here by the way is the patch: http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fink/dists/10.4/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/blt-x86_64.patch debian and ubuntu distribute blt without the bltwish executable, and I apparently put a huge weed up their arse a couple of years ago by reporting this as a bug. They are totally inflexible. Like IT support people, the maintainers think you work for them rather than vice versa. It might be worth flooding them with complaints and bug reports. Bill On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:49 AM, hari jayaram hari...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tim, Thanks a tonne Tim for the pointer on how bltwish is handled in debian. A symlink from /usr/bin/wish to /usr/bin/bltwish. Seems to at-least start ccp4i. Now to see if it will also plot my graphs Hari
Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
All - is anyone else getting this response every time they post a message or is it just me? The received header shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ms1.kissei.co.jp [210.238.65.82]). -- Ian -Original Message- From: JISCMAIL LISTSERV Server (14.5) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 August 2007 10:51 To: Ian Tickle Subject: Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have already been distributed to the CCP4BB list. That is, a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by someone else. If you have reason to resend this message to the list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware failure with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way and resend it to the list. Note that altering the Subject: line or adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same message. Disclaimer This communication is confidential and may contain privileged information intended solely for the named addressee(s). It may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you are not the intended recipient you must not review, use, disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance upon it. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Astex Therapeutics Ltd by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy all copies of the message and any attached documents. Astex Therapeutics Ltd monitors, controls and protects all its messaging traffic in compliance with its corporate email policy. The Company accepts no liability or responsibility for any onward transmission or use of emails and attachments having left the Astex Therapeutics domain. Unless expressly stated, opinions in this message are those of the individual sender and not of Astex Therapeutics Ltd. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of computer viruses. Astex Therapeutics Ltd accepts no liability for damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. E-mail is susceptible to data corruption, interception, unauthorized amendment, and tampering, Astex Therapeutics Ltd only send and receive e-mails on the basis that the Company is not liable for any such alteration or any consequences thereof. Astex Therapeutics Ltd., Registered in England at 436 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 0QA under number 3751674
Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Hi Ian and list, I don't know about rejected postings, as I've not made any recently, but I am getting two copies of each posting made and the second has gone through the same server as below: Received: from ms1.kissei.co.jp ([210.238.65.82]) by a12536.general.kissei.co.jp (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.4FP2) with ESMTP id 2007081510253541-2677 ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:25:35 +0900 Received: from ictmailer1.itd.rl.ac.uk (ictmailer1.itd.rl.ac.uk [130.246.192.56]) by ms1.kissei.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W) with ESMTP id l7F1PYJ20264 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:25:34 +0900 Looks like problem with someone's e-mail system to me. Andy On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 11:03 +0100, Ian Tickle wrote: All - is anyone else getting this response every time they post a message or is it just me? The received header shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ms1.kissei.co.jp [210.238.65.82]). -- Ian -Original Message- From: JISCMAIL LISTSERV Server (14.5) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 August 2007 10:51 To: Ian Tickle Subject: Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have already been distributed to the CCP4BB list. That is, a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by someone else. If you have reason to resend this message to the list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware failure with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way and resend it to the list. Note that altering the Subject: line or adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same message. Disclaimer This communication is confidential and may contain privileged information intended solely for the named addressee(s). It may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you are not the intended recipient you must not review, use, disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance upon it. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Astex Therapeutics Ltd by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy all copies of the message and any attached documents. Astex Therapeutics Ltd monitors, controls and protects all its messaging traffic in compliance with its corporate email policy. The Company accepts no liability or responsibility for any onward transmission or use of emails and attachments having left the Astex Therapeutics domain. Unless expressly stated, opinions in this message are those of the individual sender and not of Astex Therapeutics Ltd. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of computer viruses. Astex Therapeutics Ltd accepts no liability for damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. E-mail is susceptible to data corruption, interception, unauthorized amendment, and tampering, Astex Therapeutics Ltd only send and receive e-mails on the basis that the Company is not liable for any such alteration or any consequences thereof. Astex Therapeutics Ltd., Registered in England at 436 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 0QA under number 3751674 -- Cat, n.: Lapwarmer with built-in buzzer. +--+ | Andy Purkiss-Trew, School of Crystallography,Birkbeck College,London | | E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]| +--+
Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Ian, yesterday evening I posted Re: [ccp4bb] coot in stereo. I then got an email Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK . The header indicates that it indeed comes from ictmailer1.itd.rl.ac.uk; no other email address but mine is involved. I have no explanation for this as I surely only sent my posting once. Kay Ian Tickle schrieb: All - is anyone else getting this response every time they post a message or is it just me? The received header shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ms1.kissei.co.jp [210.238.65.82]). -- Ian -Original Message- From: JISCMAIL LISTSERV Server (14.5) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 August 2007 10:51 To: Ian Tickle Subject: Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have already been distributed to the CCP4BB list. That is, a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by someone else. If you have reason to resend this message to the list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware failure with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way and resend it to the list. Note that altering the Subject: line or adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same message. Disclaimer This communication is confidential and may contain privileged information intended solely for the named addressee(s). It may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you are not the intended recipient you must not review, use, disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance upon it. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Astex Therapeutics Ltd by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy all copies of the message and any attached documents. Astex Therapeutics Ltd monitors, controls and protects all its messaging traffic in compliance with its corporate email policy. The Company accepts no liability or responsibility for any onward transmission or use of emails and attachments having left the Astex Therapeutics domain. Unless expressly stated, opinions in this message are those of the individual sender and not of Astex Therapeutics Ltd. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of computer viruses. Astex Therapeutics Ltd accepts no liability for damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. E-mail is susceptible to data corruption, interception, unauthorized amendment, and tampering, Astex Therapeutics Ltd only send and receive e-mails on the basis that the Company is not liable for any such alteration or any consequences thereof. Astex Therapeutics Ltd., Registered in England at 436 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 0QA under number 3751674 -- Kay Diederichshttp://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel +49 7531 88 4049 Fax 3183 Fachbereich Biologie, Universität Konstanz, Box M647, D-78457 Konstanz smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Ditto - I am getting everything in duplicate Eleanor Andy Purkiss-Trew wrote: Hi Ian and list, I don't know about rejected postings, as I've not made any recently, but I am getting two copies of each posting made and the second has gone through the same server as below: Received: from ms1.kissei.co.jp ([210.238.65.82]) by a12536.general.kissei.co.jp (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.4FP2) with ESMTP id 2007081510253541-2677 ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:25:35 +0900 Received: from ictmailer1.itd.rl.ac.uk (ictmailer1.itd.rl.ac.uk [130.246.192.56]) by ms1.kissei.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W) with ESMTP id l7F1PYJ20264 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:25:34 +0900 Looks like problem with someone's e-mail system to me. Andy On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 11:03 +0100, Ian Tickle wrote: All - is anyone else getting this response every time they post a message or is it just me? The received header shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ms1.kissei.co.jp [210.238.65.82]). -- Ian -Original Message- From: JISCMAIL LISTSERV Server (14.5) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 August 2007 10:51 To: Ian Tickle Subject: Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have already been distributed to the CCP4BB list. That is, a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by someone else. If you have reason to resend this message to the list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware failure with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way and resend it to the list. Note that altering the Subject: line or adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same message. Disclaimer This communication is confidential and may contain privileged information intended solely for the named addressee(s). It may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you are not the intended recipient you must not review, use, disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance upon it. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Astex Therapeutics Ltd by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy all copies of the message and any attached documents. Astex Therapeutics Ltd monitors, controls and protects all its messaging traffic in compliance with its corporate email policy. The Company accepts no liability or responsibility for any onward transmission or use of emails and attachments having left the Astex Therapeutics domain. Unless expressly stated, opinions in this message are those of the individual sender and not of Astex Therapeutics Ltd. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of computer viruses. Astex Therapeutics Ltd accepts no liability for damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. E-mail is susceptible to data corruption, interception, unauthorized amendment, and tampering, Astex Therapeutics Ltd only send and receive e-mails on the basis that the Company is not liable for any such alteration or any consequences thereof. Astex Therapeutics Ltd., Registered in England at 436 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 0QA under number 3751674
Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Check, thanks for the heads up. I have removed the eiichi_tsuiji address from the list, which I guess was bouncing e-mails (miss configured spam filtering perhaps). Interestingly, this was not one of the 51 addresses being monitored. We are running with automatic removal to try and reduce problems (which works overtime at this time of year). Subscribers will be automatically deleted from the list when delivery errors have been reported for a period of 4 days or more, or when 100 delivery errors have been received, whichever occurs first. Monitoring will cease after 5 days without any reported errors. Charles ps Eleanor, I think you are actually registered from two addresses. On 15 Aug 2007, at 11:24, Kay Diederichs wrote: Ian, yesterday evening I posted Re: [ccp4bb] coot in stereo. I then got an email Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK . The header indicates that it indeed comes from ictmailer1.itd.rl.ac.uk; no other email address but mine is involved. I have no explanation for this as I surely only sent my posting once. Kay Ian Tickle schrieb: All - is anyone else getting this response every time they post a message or is it just me? The received header shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ms1.kissei.co.jp [210.238.65.82]). -- Ian -Original Message- From: JISCMAIL LISTSERV Server (14.5) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 August 2007 10:51 To: Ian Tickle Subject: Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have already been distributed to the CCP4BB list. That is, a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by someone else. If you have reason to resend this message to the list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware failure with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way and resend it to the list. Note that altering the Subject: line or adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same message. Disclaimer This communication is confidential and may contain privileged information intended solely for the named addressee(s). It may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you are not the intended recipient you must not review, use, disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance upon it. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Astex Therapeutics Ltd by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] therapeutics.com and destroy all copies of the message and any attached documents. Astex Therapeutics Ltd monitors, controls and protects all its messaging traffic in compliance with its corporate email policy. The Company accepts no liability or responsibility for any onward transmission or use of emails and attachments having left the Astex Therapeutics domain. Unless expressly stated, opinions in this message are those of the individual sender and not of Astex Therapeutics Ltd. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of computer viruses. Astex Therapeutics Ltd accepts no liability for damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. E-mail is susceptible to data corruption, interception, unauthorized amendment, and tampering, Astex Therapeutics Ltd only send and receive e-mails on the basis that the Company is not liable for any such alteration or any consequences thereof. Astex Therapeutics Ltd., Registered in England at 436 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 0QA under number 3751674 -- Kay Diederichshttp://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel +49 7531 88 4049 Fax 3183 Fachbereich Biologie, Universität Konstanz, Box M647, D-78457 Konstanz
