Re: [ccp4bb] merohedral twinning problem

2008-08-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson

Se the twinning rules in http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/twinning.html

P3

pace group number   space group point group possible twin operators
143 P3  PG3 -h,-k,l; k,h,-l; -k,-h,-l
144 P31 PG3 -h,-k,l; k,h,-l; -k,-h,-l
145 P32 PG3 -h,-k,l; k,h,-l; -k,-h,-l
146 H3  PG3 k,h,-l



ie you need to test -h,-k,l (TWIN -1 0  0   0 -1 0   0 0 1)
 k,h,-l  )TWIN 0 1 0  1 0 0  0 0 -1)
 -k,-h,-l (TWIN 0 -1 0  -1 0 0   0 0 -1)

Eleanor

pointless or sfcheck will suggest which is the most likely to be real.

Eleanor

Kristof Van Hecke wrote:

Dear,

Sorry for the off-topic question.
I'm facing a (probably) merohedral twinning problem, regarding a small 
molecule.


Using Xprep, I get a Hexagonal P-lattice with cell:
18.014  18.014  22.048   90.00   90.00  120.00

Mean |E*E-1| = 0.902 [expected .968 centrosym and .736 non-centrosym]


However, based on the systematic absence exceptions, the probable 
(apparent) SG's are:

P6(3)/m (Laue '6/m')
P6(3) (Laue '6')
P6(3)22 (Laue '622')

  61/65 62=31  63-c-   --c

N60  50 36 2471  1420
N I3s   19  19 0   420  161
I186.6 223.1   4.6 30.015.5
I/s  2.3 2.6   0.3 1.6   1.2

I know there is a twin law to transform the (apparent) Laue group 
'6/m' to the (true) Laue group '-3'
(TWIN law -1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1) and merging the data in a trigonal SG, 
but this is not solving the structure at all...



Has anyone noticed a similar case that could be of any help please..?

Many thanks

Kristof


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[ccp4bb] merohedral twinning problem

2008-08-08 Thread Kristof Van Hecke

Dear,

Sorry for the off-topic question.
I'm facing a (probably) merohedral twinning problem, regarding a small  
molecule.


Using Xprep, I get a Hexagonal P-lattice with cell:
18.014  18.014  22.048   90.00   90.00  120.00

Mean |E*E-1| = 0.902 [expected .968 centrosym and .736 non-centrosym]


However, based on the systematic absence exceptions, the probable  
(apparent) SG's are:

P6(3)/m (Laue '6/m')
P6(3) (Laue '6')
P6(3)22 (Laue '622')

  61/65 62=31  63-c-   --c

N60  50 36 2471  1420
N I3s   19  19 0   420  161
I186.6 223.1   4.6 30.015.5
I/s  2.3 2.6   0.3 1.6   1.2

I know there is a twin law to transform the (apparent) Laue group '6/ 
m' to the (true) Laue group '-3'
(TWIN law -1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1) and merging the data in a trigonal SG,  
but this is not solving the structure at all...



Has anyone noticed a similar case that could be of any help please..?

Many thanks

Kristof


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