Re: [ccp4bb] pictures in emails
Dear All,
what about linking to any free cloud service for large attachments? Isn't CCP4
7.1 already such a cloud?
Best,
marco
Marco Patrone – PhD
Biocrystallography Unit
Division of Immunology, Transplantation, and Infectious Disease (DITID)
DIBIT – San Raffaele Scientific Institute
Via Olgettina, 58
20132 Milano
Italy
phone: +39 0226434921
fax: +39 0226434153
http://www.hsr.it/research/organzation/massimo-degano
From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Nukri Sanishvili
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:34:07 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] pictures in emails
Hi Frank, CCP4bb-ers,
While the progress in the digital world in 2021 over the 90s is undeniable
(which, unfortunately cannot be said about the analog world), we should keep in
mind that some institutional accounts may filter out the "suspiciously" large
emails.
I would not be surprised if some of these accounts end up blacklisting repeat
offenders - CCP4bb in this case.
Best wishes,
Nukri
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 8:12 AM Frank von Delft
mailto:frank.vonde...@cmd.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ahem. Ed, Tim - the 90s called, they want want their disk space and email
clients back.
As a co-perpertrator of vast volumes of detector data, and religious proponent
of text formatting as inseparable part part the message, I disagree that in the
year 2021, your suggestion still conforms to netiquette.
In case anybody was left with the impression that Tim and Ed's view was
universal.
frank
On 19/07/2021 10:26, Tim Gruene wrote:
Hi Ed, dear ccp4bbs
I fully support your email!
Most email clients have a tick box to include a plain text version in
addition of the html-version in their preferences.
Reading plain text emails instead of the html-version (which is also an
available option for most email clients) is a very effective barrier
against spam. People should take this into account, considering the
global rise of ransomware attacks, with serious consequences to some
large institutions and companies.
It has always been good netiquette to at least include a text-version
of your email.
Cheers,
Tim
On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:17:26 -0400 Edward Berry
<mailto:ber...@upstate.edu>
wrote:
Two suggestions for people sending pictures of electron density to
the BB:
1. Reduce the size of the pictures-
The two pictures in yesterday's email appear nice and small in my
email client, but still illustrate what is being described. However
they are actually 4032x3024 and 2040x1458 pixels, making for rather
large emails. All that extra resolution is wasted unless the user
opens the image directly ("view image"), and in any case is
completely unnecessary for the point being made. I think about
600x600 pixels is plenty for almost anything you want to show in
electron density. This does not require manipulation in photoshop or
such- just reduce the size of the graphics window and take a
screenshot of that window.
2. send the picture as an attachment rather than inline. That way it
won't be included in all the replies. Or if the people replying could
find some way to exclude pictures or formt the reply as plain-text,
that would help.
(No, I'm not receiving these emails via 1200 baud modem- but I like
to save the messages for future reference. If the trend continues
toward high-resolution inline screenshots, that will take a
significant amount of disk space. And yes, I know there is an
archive.) eab
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Re: [ccp4bb] pictures in emails
Hi Frank, CCP4bb-ers,
While the progress in the digital world in 2021 over the 90s is undeniable
(which, unfortunately cannot be said about the analog world), we should
keep in mind that some institutional accounts may filter out the
"suspiciously" large emails.
I would not be surprised if some of these accounts end up blacklisting
repeat offenders - CCP4bb in this case.
Best wishes,
Nukri
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 8:12 AM Frank von Delft
wrote:
> Ahem. Ed, Tim - the 90s called, they want want their disk space and email
> clients back.
>
> As a co-perpertrator of vast volumes of detector data, and religious
> proponent of text *formatting* as inseparable part part the message, I
> disagree that in the year 2021, your suggestion still conforms to
> netiquette.
>
> In case anybody was left with the impression that Tim and Ed's view was
> universal.
>
> frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19/07/2021 10:26, Tim Gruene wrote:
>
> Hi Ed, dear ccp4bbs
>
> I fully support your email!
>
> Most email clients have a tick box to include a plain text version in
> addition of the html-version in their preferences.
>
> Reading plain text emails instead of the html-version (which is also an
> available option for most email clients) is a very effective barrier
> against spam. People should take this into account, considering the
> global rise of ransomware attacks, with serious consequences to some
> large institutions and companies.
>
> It has always been good netiquette to at least include a text-version
> of your email.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:17:26 -0400 Edward Berry
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Two suggestions for people sending pictures of electron density to
> the BB:
>
> 1. Reduce the size of the pictures-
> The two pictures in yesterday's email appear nice and small in my
> email client, but still illustrate what is being described. However
> they are actually 4032x3024 and 2040x1458 pixels, making for rather
> large emails. All that extra resolution is wasted unless the user
> opens the image directly ("view image"), and in any case is
> completely unnecessary for the point being made. I think about
> 600x600 pixels is plenty for almost anything you want to show in
> electron density. This does not require manipulation in photoshop or
> such- just reduce the size of the graphics window and take a
> screenshot of that window.
>
> 2. send the picture as an attachment rather than inline. That way it
> won't be included in all the replies. Or if the people replying could
> find some way to exclude pictures or formt the reply as plain-text,
> that would help.
>
> (No, I'm not receiving these emails via 1200 baud modem- but I like
> to save the messages for future reference. If the trend continues
> toward high-resolution inline screenshots, that will take a
> significant amount of disk space. And yes, I know there is an
> archive.) eab
>
>
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Re: [ccp4bb] pictures in emails
Ahem. Ed, Tim - the 90s called, they want want their disk space and
email clients back.
As a co-perpertrator of vast volumes of detector data, and religious
proponent of text /formatting/ as inseparable part part the message, I
disagree that in the year 2021, your suggestion still conforms to
netiquette.
In case anybody was left with the impression that Tim and Ed's view was
universal.
frank
On 19/07/2021 10:26, Tim Gruene wrote:
Hi Ed, dear ccp4bbs
I fully support your email!
Most email clients have a tick box to include a plain text version in
addition of the html-version in their preferences.
Reading plain text emails instead of the html-version (which is also an
available option for most email clients) is a very effective barrier
against spam. People should take this into account, considering the
global rise of ransomware attacks, with serious consequences to some
large institutions and companies.
It has always been good netiquette to at least include a text-version
of your email.
Cheers,
Tim
On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:17:26 -0400 Edward Berry
wrote:
Two suggestions for people sending pictures of electron density to
the BB:
1. Reduce the size of the pictures-
The two pictures in yesterday's email appear nice and small in my
email client, but still illustrate what is being described. However
they are actually 4032x3024 and 2040x1458 pixels, making for rather
large emails. All that extra resolution is wasted unless the user
opens the image directly ("view image"), and in any case is
completely unnecessary for the point being made. I think about
600x600 pixels is plenty for almost anything you want to show in
electron density. This does not require manipulation in photoshop or
such- just reduce the size of the graphics window and take a
screenshot of that window.
2. send the picture as an attachment rather than inline. That way it
won't be included in all the replies. Or if the people replying could
find some way to exclude pictures or formt the reply as plain-text,
that would help.
(No, I'm not receiving these emails via 1200 baud modem- but I like
to save the messages for future reference. If the trend continues
toward high-resolution inline screenshots, that will take a
significant amount of disk space. And yes, I know there is an
archive.) eab
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Re: [ccp4bb] pictures in emails
Hi Ed, dear ccp4bbs
I fully support your email!
Most email clients have a tick box to include a plain text version in
addition of the html-version in their preferences.
Reading plain text emails instead of the html-version (which is also an
available option for most email clients) is a very effective barrier
against spam. People should take this into account, considering the
global rise of ransomware attacks, with serious consequences to some
large institutions and companies.
It has always been good netiquette to at least include a text-version
of your email.
Cheers,
Tim
On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:17:26 -0400 Edward Berry
wrote:
> Two suggestions for people sending pictures of electron density to
> the BB:
>
> 1. Reduce the size of the pictures-
> The two pictures in yesterday's email appear nice and small in my
> email client, but still illustrate what is being described. However
> they are actually 4032x3024 and 2040x1458 pixels, making for rather
> large emails. All that extra resolution is wasted unless the user
> opens the image directly ("view image"), and in any case is
> completely unnecessary for the point being made. I think about
> 600x600 pixels is plenty for almost anything you want to show in
> electron density. This does not require manipulation in photoshop or
> such- just reduce the size of the graphics window and take a
> screenshot of that window.
>
> 2. send the picture as an attachment rather than inline. That way it
> won't be included in all the replies. Or if the people replying could
> find some way to exclude pictures or formt the reply as plain-text,
> that would help.
>
> (No, I'm not receiving these emails via 1200 baud modem- but I like
> to save the messages for future reference. If the trend continues
> toward high-resolution inline screenshots, that will take a
> significant amount of disk space. And yes, I know there is an
> archive.) eab
>
>
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Re: [ccp4bb] pictures in emails
Hear hear! On top of that, I look at my emails as plain text (so I can see
where links go, much more secure). This means that I don't see that there is
supposed to be a picture unless I convert the message back to HTML.
Cheers,
Robbie
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Edward
> Berry
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 17:17
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] pictures in emails
>
> Two suggestions for people sending pictures of electron density to the BB:
>
> 1. Reduce the size of the pictures-
> The two pictures in yesterday's email appear nice and small in my email
> client, but still illustrate what is being described. However they are
> actually
> 4032x3024 and 2040x1458 pixels, making for rather large emails. All that
> extra resolution is wasted unless the user opens the image directly ("view
> image"), and in any case is completely unnecessary for the point being made.
> I think about 600x600 pixels is plenty for almost anything you want to show
> in electron density.
> This does not require manipulation in photoshop or such- just reduce the
> size of the graphics window and take a screenshot of that window.
>
> 2. send the picture as an attachment rather than inline. That way it won't be
> included in all the replies. Or if the people replying could find some way to
> exclude pictures or formt the reply as plain-text, that would help.
>
> (No, I'm not receiving these emails via 1200 baud modem- but I like to save
> the messages for future reference. If the trend continues toward high-
> resolution inline screenshots, that will take a significant amount of disk
> space. And yes, I know there is an archive.)
> eab
>
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[ccp4bb] pictures in emails
Two suggestions for people sending pictures of electron density to the BB:
1. Reduce the size of the pictures-
The two pictures in yesterday's email appear nice and small in my email client, but still
illustrate what is being described. However they are actually 4032x3024 and 2040x1458
pixels, making for rather large emails. All that extra resolution is wasted unless the
user opens the image directly ("view image"), and in any case is completely
unnecessary for the point being made. I think about 600x600 pixels is plenty for almost
anything you want to show in electron density.
This does not require manipulation in photoshop or such- just reduce the size
of the graphics window and take a screenshot of that window.
2. send the picture as an attachment rather than inline. That way it won't be
included in all the replies. Or if the people replying could find some way to
exclude pictures or formt the reply as plain-text, that would help.
(No, I'm not receiving these emails via 1200 baud modem- but I like to save the
messages for future reference. If the trend continues toward high-resolution
inline screenshots, that will take a significant amount of disk space. And yes,
I know there is an archive.)
eab
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