Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
http://www.jnrbm.com/ Might this be what you are looking for ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I think this is a very interesting initiative and it could potentially lead to a discussion within the board. Best, Xavier Mensaje original Asunto: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500 De: David Alcantara listmas...@mail.arjournals.commailto:listmas...@mail.arjournals.com Para: f...@ibmb.csic.esmailto:f...@ibmb.csic.es Dear colleague, As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware of the negative results of earlier studies. My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board, I’d like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally important to publish these results together with interpretations of the scientists involved and in this way offer a solution to the problem that publication bias is causing, because of a strong emphasis on positive results. The All Results Journals:Biol is a peer-reviewed journal dedicated to publishing articles with negative results and outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication in all areas of Biology (pure and applied). The Journal is TOTAL Open Access (no fees to publish and read) and is being indexed by well-known scientific databases such as Web of Knowledge, Scirus, and Pubmed This will assure maximum exposure of your articles. We expect to publish articles within four to six weeks of submission, and our award-winning OJS Publications Web Editions Platform will showcase your important findings to the international scientific community. Please check our info for authors to submit your articles at: http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authorshttp://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors Thank you very much for your time and we look forward to hearing from you.. With kind regards, David Alcantara -- David Alcantara, Ph.D Managing Editor alcant...@arjournals.commailto:alcant...@arjournals.com Phone: 001 617 575 9152 The All Results Journals:Biol (ISSN: 2172-4784) http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biol Follow us on http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-All-Results-Journals/53410901726 --- This e-mail is from The All Results Journals. The e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized dissemination or copying of this e-mail or its attachments, and any use or disclosure of any information contained in them, is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify or telephone and delete it from your system. -- If you do not want to receive any more e-mails from us visit, http://mail.arjournals.com/?p=unsubscribeuid=7f58f771c3b6364a657dc5f086f8962f -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.comhttp://www.phplist.com/ --
Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
What if the negative results contradict some recent papers in big journals? Would the PI risk his / her contacts connections? Of course for the PhD student or postdoc, it matters a lot to get it 'published'.. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bosch, Juergen jubo...@jhsph.edu wrote: http://www.jnrbm.com/ Might this be what you are looking for ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I think this is a very interesting initiative and it could potentially lead to a discussion within the board. Best, Xavier Mensaje original Asunto: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500 De: David Alcantara listmas...@mail.arjournals.comlistmas...@mail.arjournals.com Para: f...@ibmb.csic.es Dear colleague, As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware of the negative results of earlier studies. My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board, I’d like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally important to publish these results together with interpretations of the scientists involved and in this way offer a solution to the problem that publication bias is causing, because of a strong emphasis on positive results. The All Results Journals:Biol is a peer-reviewed journal dedicated to publishing articles with negative results and outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication in all areas of Biology (pure and applied). The Journal is TOTAL Open Access (no fees to publish and read) and is being indexed by well-known scientific databases such as Web of Knowledge, Scirus, and Pubmed This will assure maximum exposure of your articles. We expect to publish articles within four to six weeks of submission, and our award-winning OJS Publications Web Editions Platform will showcase your important findings to the international scientific community. Please check our info for authors to submit your articles at: http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authorshttp://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors Thank you very much for your time and we look forward to hearing from you.. With kind regards, David Alcantara -- David Alcantara, Ph.D Managing editoralcant...@arjournals.com Phone: 001 617 575 9152 The All Results Journals:Biol (ISSN: 2172-4784)http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biol Follow us onhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/The-All-Results-Journals/53410901726 --- This e-mail is from The All Results Journals. The e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized dissemination or copying of this e-mail or its attachments, and any use or disclosure of any information contained in them, is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify or telephone and delete it from your system. -- If you do not want to receive any more e-mails from us visit, http://mail.arjournals.com/?p=unsubscribeuid=7f58f771c3b6364a657dc5f086f8962f -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.com --
Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 04:35:31PM +0530, Partha Chakrabarti wrote: What if the negative results contradict some recent papers in big journals? In that case it is certainly not a negative result and I am actually surprised someone even comes up with the idea of not publishing a result just for lip service. A good scientist is happy to deal with criticism of his or her results - if they would not get criticised, they would not have been worth publishing. Cheers, Tim Would the PI risk his / her contacts connections? Of course for the PhD student or postdoc, it matters a lot to get it 'published'.. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bosch, Juergen jubo...@jhsph.edu wrote: http://www.jnrbm.com/ Might this be what you are looking for ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I think this is a very interesting initiative and it could potentially lead to a discussion within the board. Best, Xavier Mensaje original Asunto: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500 De: David Alcantara listmas...@mail.arjournals.comlistmas...@mail.arjournals.com Para: f...@ibmb.csic.es Dear colleague, As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware of the negative results of earlier studies. My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board, I’d like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally important to publish these results together with interpretations of the scientists involved and in this way offer a solution to the problem that publication bias is causing, because of a strong emphasis on positive results. The All Results Journals:Biol is a peer-reviewed journal dedicated to publishing articles with negative results and outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication in all areas of Biology (pure and applied). The Journal is TOTAL Open Access (no fees to publish and read) and is being indexed by well-known scientific databases such as Web of Knowledge, Scirus, and Pubmed This will assure maximum exposure of your articles. We expect to publish articles within four to six weeks of submission, and our award-winning OJS Publications Web Editions Platform will showcase your important findings to the international scientific community. Please check our info for authors to submit your articles at: http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authorshttp://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors Thank you very much for your time and we look forward to hearing from you.. With kind regards, David Alcantara -- David Alcantara, Ph.D Managing editoralcant...@arjournals.com Phone: 001 617 575 9152 The All Results Journals:Biol (ISSN: 2172-4784)http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biol Follow us onhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/The-All-Results-Journals/53410901726 --- This e-mail is from The All Results Journals. The e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized dissemination or copying of this e-mail or its attachments, and any use or disclosure of any information contained in them, is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify or telephone
Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
Dear David In addition to what Partha and Tim have just said, what if the negative results are simply due to poor experimental skills and/or lack of attention to detail?. I guess my question is would a journal that publishes negative results be rapidly populated with junk data?. Kind regards Victor From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Partha Chakrabarti Sent: 11 July 2011 12:06 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published? What if the negative results contradict some recent papers in big journals? Would the PI risk his / her contacts connections? Of course for the PhD student or postdoc, it matters a lot to get it 'published'.. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bosch, Juergen jubo...@jhsph.edu wrote: http://www.jnrbm.com/ Might this be what you are looking for ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I think this is a very interesting initiative and it could potentially lead to a discussion within the board. Best, Xavier Mensaje original Asunto: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500 De: David Alcantara mailto:listmas...@mail.arjournals.com listmas...@mail.arjournals.com Para: f...@ibmb.csic.es Dear colleague, As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware of the negative results of earlier studies. My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board, Id like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally important to publish these results together with interpretations of the scientists involved and in this way offer a solution to the problem that publication bias is causing, because of a strong emphasis on positive results. The All Results Journals:Biol is a peer-reviewed journal dedicated to publishing articles with negative results and outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication in all areas of Biology (pure and applied). The Journal is TOTAL Open Access (no fees to publish and read) and is being indexed by well-known scientific databases such as Web of Knowledge, Scirus, and Pubmed This will assure maximum exposure of your articles. We expect to publish articles within four to six weeks of submission, and our award-winning OJS Publications Web Editions Platform will showcase your important findings to the international scientific community. Please check our info for authors to submit your articles at: http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biol http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=au thors page=informationop=authors http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=author s http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=author s Thank you very much for your time and we look forward to hearing from you.. With kind regards, Alcantara -- David Alcantara, Ph.D Managing Editor alcant...@arjournals.com Phone: 001 617 575 9152 The All Results Journals:Biol (ISSN: 2172-4784) http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biol Follow us on http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-All-Results-Journals/53410901726 --- This e-mail is from The All Results Journals. The e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized dissemination or copying of this e-mail or its attachments, and any use or disclosure of any information contained in them, is strictly prohibited and may be illegal
Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
Not if they are properly peer-reviewed as the ones mentioned within this thread claim to be. The prevention of junk is IMHO the main reason agains an all-open system as in arxiv.org Tim On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:55:20PM +0100, Victor Bolanos-Garcia wrote: Dear David In addition to what Partha and Tim have just said, what if the negative results are simply due to poor experimental skills and/or lack of attention to detail?. I guess my question is would a journal that publishes negative results be rapidly populated with junk data?. Kind regards Victor From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Partha Chakrabarti Sent: 11 July 2011 12:06 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published? What if the negative results contradict some recent papers in big journals? Would the PI risk his / her contacts connections? Of course for the PhD student or postdoc, it matters a lot to get it 'published'.. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bosch, Juergen jubo...@jhsph.edu wrote: http://www.jnrbm.com/ Might this be what you are looking for ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I think this is a very interesting initiative and it could potentially lead to a discussion within the board. Best, Xavier Mensaje original Asunto: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500 De: David Alcantara mailto:listmas...@mail.arjournals.com listmas...@mail.arjournals.com Para: f...@ibmb.csic.es Dear colleague, As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware of the negative results of earlier studies. My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board, Id like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally important to publish these results together with interpretations of the scientists involved and in this way offer a solution to the problem that publication bias is causing, because of a strong emphasis on positive results. The All Results Journals:Biol is a peer-reviewed journal dedicated to publishing articles with negative results and outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication in all areas of Biology (pure and applied). The Journal is TOTAL Open Access (no fees to publish and read) and is being indexed by well-known scientific databases such as Web of Knowledge, Scirus, and Pubmed This will assure maximum exposure of your articles. We expect to publish articles within four to six weeks of submission, and our award-winning OJS Publications Web Editions Platform will showcase your important findings to the international scientific community. Please check our info for authors to submit your articles at: http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biol http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=au thors page=informationop=authors http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=author s http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=author s Thank you very much for your time and we look forward to hearing from you.. With kind regards, Alcantara -- David Alcantara, Ph.D Managing Editor alcant...@arjournals.com Phone: 001 617 575 9152 The All Results Journals:Biol (ISSN: 2172-4784) http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biol Follow us on http
Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
Just a comment: positive results can also be due to poor experimental skills and/or lack of attention to detail etc. Peer review should take care of this, at least to some extent. Negative results can be very valuable. Bert From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Victor Bolanos-Garcia [vic...@cryst.bioc.cam.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:55 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Dear David In addition to what Partha and Tim have just said, what if the negative results are simply due to poor experimental skills and/or lack of attention to detail?. I guess my question is would a journal that publishes negative results be rapidly populated with junk data?. Kind regards Victor From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Partha Chakrabarti Sent: 11 July 2011 12:06 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published? What if the negative results contradict some recent papers in big journals? Would the PI risk his / her contacts connections? Of course for the PhD student or postdoc, it matters a lot to get it 'published'.. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bosch, Juergen jubo...@jhsph.edumailto:jubo...@jhsph.edu wrote: http://www.jnrbm.com/ Might this be what you are looking for ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I think this is a very interesting initiative and it could potentially lead to a discussion within the board. Best, Xavier Mensaje original Asunto: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500 De: David Alcantara listmas...@mail.arjournals.commailto:listmas...@mail.arjournals.com Para: f...@ibmb.csic.esmailto:f...@ibmb.csic.es Dear colleague, As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware of the negative results of earlier studies. My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board, I’d like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally important to publish these results together with interpretations of the scientists involved and in this way offer a solution to the problem that publication bias is causing, because of a strong emphasis on positive results. The All Results Journals:Biol is a peer-reviewed journal dedicated to publishing articles with negative results and outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication in all areas of Biology (pure and applied). The Journal is TOTAL Open Access (no fees to publish and read) and is being indexed by well-known scientific databases such as Web of Knowledge, Scirus, and Pubmed This will assure maximum exposure of your articles. We expect to publish articles within four to six weeks of submission, and our award-winning OJS Publications Web Editions Platform will showcase your important findings to the international scientific community. Please check our info for authors to submit your articles at: http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authorshttp://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors Thank you very much for your time and we look forward to hearing from you.. With kind regards, Alcantara -- David Alcantara, Ph.D Managing Editor alcant...@arjournals.commailto:alcant...@arjournals.com Phone: 001 617 575 9152 The All Results Journals:Biol (ISSN: 2172-4784) http
Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
Hmmm...I probably have a bit of experience in this business of 'negative
results'.
Let me just say that it definitely has negative impact on your career when
you criticize colleagues.
It is extremely difficult to cut through the 'defendant's' and editorial
denial. In my experience
a lot of lip service is paid to the modern viewpoint of the scientific
method which Tim optimistically voices,
but alas, we live in a real world of postmodern relativism and subjective
interest, and reality looks different.
For those attending the IUCr meeting (shameless advert to follow), I have
changed the title of my
talk in the validation MS to
Transgressing Conventional Boundaries: Postmodern Structural Biology.
The absence of the word 'crystallography' in the title is not a coincidence.
Cheers, BR
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 04:35:31PM +0530, Partha Chakrabarti wrote:
What if the negative results contradict some recent papers in big
journals?
In that case it is certainly not a negative result and I am actually
surprised
someone even comes up with the idea of not publishing a result just for lip
service. A good scientist is happy to deal with criticism of his or her
results - if they would not get criticised, they would not have been worth
publishing.
Cheers, Tim
Would the PI risk his / her contacts connections? Of course for the PhD
student or postdoc, it matters a lot to get it 'published'..
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bosch, Juergen jubo...@jhsph.edu
wrote:
http://www.jnrbm.com/
Might this be what you are looking for ?
Jürgen
..
Jürgen Bosch
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology
Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute
615 North Wolfe Street, W8708
Baltimore, MD 21205
Phone: +1-410-614-4742
Lab: +1-410-614-4894
Fax: +1-410-955-3655
http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/
On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth wrote:
Dear CCP4ers,
I think this is a very interesting initiative and it could potentially
lead
to a discussion within the board.
Best,
Xavier
Mensaje original Asunto: Could Biological Negative
Results be published? Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500 De:
David
Alcantara listmas...@mail.arjournals.com
listmas...@mail.arjournals.com Para:
f...@ibmb.csic.es
Dear colleague,
As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our
endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests
and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate
colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering
material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never
brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only
unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce
the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time
and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that
could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware
of the negative results of earlier studies.
My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board,
I’d like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results
Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey
literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile
and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to
outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for
publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally
important to publish these results together with interpretations of
the scientists involved and in this way offer a solution to the
problem that publication bias is causing, because of a strong emphasis
on positive results.
The All Results Journals:Biol is a peer-reviewed journal dedicated to
publishing articles with negative results and outcomes that were not
expected and were not before considered for publication in all areas
of Biology (pure and applied). The Journal is TOTAL Open Access (no
fees to publish and read) and is being indexed by well-known
scientific databases such as Web of Knowledge, Scirus, and Pubmed This
will assure maximum exposure of your articles.
We expect to publish articles within four to six weeks of submission,
and our award-winning OJS Publications Web Editions Platform will
showcase your important findings to the international scientific
community.
Please check our info for authors to submit your articles at:
http://www.arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors
http://arjournals.com/ojs/index.php?journal=Biolpage=informationop=authors
Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
Negative results are not necessarily criticisms of colleagues, at least I don't think it should be perceived as such. And if it is, folks should just grow up...:-) It may be (too) idealistic, but one could argue that the most important aspect of scientific experiments is reproducibility. If no-one is able to reproduce those fantastic data, what is the value of those data? I just wonder how many dogma's are out there that are taken for granted (its from a great lab), but that no-one has taken the time to verify. Maybe once we get used to the publication of (properly reviewed) negative data, reality will change? From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Bernhard Rupp [hofkristall...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 9:05 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Hmmm...I probably have a bit of experience in this business of 'negative results'. Let me just say that it definitely has negative impact on your career when you criticize colleagues. It is extremely difficult to cut through the 'defendant's' and editorial denial. In my experience a lot of lip service is paid to the modern viewpoint of the scientific method which Tim optimistically voices, but alas, we live in a real world of postmodern relativism and subjective interest, and reality looks different. For those attending the IUCr meeting (shameless advert to follow), I have changed the title of my talk in the validation MS to Transgressing Conventional Boundaries: Postmodern Structural Biology. The absence of the word 'crystallography' in the title is not a coincidence. Cheers, BR On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.demailto:t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 04:35:31PM +0530, Partha Chakrabarti wrote: What if the negative results contradict some recent papers in big journals? In that case it is certainly not a negative result and I am actually surprised someone even comes up with the idea of not publishing a result just for lip service. A good scientist is happy to deal with criticism of his or her results - if they would not get criticised, they would not have been worth publishing. Cheers, Tim Would the PI risk his / her contacts connections? Of course for the PhD student or postdoc, it matters a lot to get it 'published'.. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bosch, Juergen jubo...@jhsph.edumailto:jubo...@jhsph.edu wrote: http://www.jnrbm.com/ Might this be what you are looking for ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742tel:%2B1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894tel:%2B1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655tel:%2B1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I think this is a very interesting initiative and it could potentially lead to a discussion within the board. Best, Xavier Mensaje original Asunto: Could Biological Negative Results be published? Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500 De: David Alcantara listmas...@mail.arjournals.commailto:listmas...@mail.arjournals.comlistmas...@mail.arjournals.commailto:listmas...@mail.arjournals.com Para: f...@ibmb.csic.esmailto:f...@ibmb.csic.es Dear colleague, As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware of the negative results of earlier studies. My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board, I’d like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally important to publish these results together with interpretations of the scientists involved
Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
This brings up a philosophical caveat that one should be very careful about
labeling one set of potential results negative and another positive before
even doing the experiment, because its all too easy to see what you hoped to
see even if it was only marginally there.
The best experimentalists rig things so that something will be learned from any
possible result.
Of course, in this light, crystallization is a really stupid experiment. And
by the time I'm really convinced that we're getting nowhere crystallizing
something, I'm too demoralized to bother writing up all the ways to not
crystallize it.
Phoebe
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Phoebe A. Rice
Dept. of Biochemistry Molecular Biology
The University of Chicago
phone 773 834 1723
http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/Faculty_and_Research/01_Faculty/01_Faculty_Alphabetically.php?faculty_id=123
http://www.rsc.org/shop/books/2008/9780854042722.asp
Original message
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:35:31 +0530
From: CCP4 bulletin board CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK (on behalf of Partha
Chakrabarti ppc...@gmail.com)
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Could Biological Negative Results be published?
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
What if the negative results contradict some recent
papers in big journals? Would the PI risk his / her
contacts connections? Of course for the PhD
student or postdoc, it matters a lot to get it
'published'..
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bosch, Juergen
jubo...@jhsph.edu wrote:
http://www.jnrbm.com/
Might this be what you are looking for ?
Jürgen
..
Jürgen Bosch
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology
Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute
615 North Wolfe Street, W8708
Baltimore, MD 21205
Phone: +1-410-614-4742
Lab: +1-410-614-4894
Fax: +1-410-955-3655
http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/
On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, F.Xavier Gomis-Rüth
wrote:
Dear CCP4ers,
I think this is a very interesting initiative
and it could potentially lead to a discussion
within the board.
Best,
Xavier
Mensaje original
Asunto: Could Biological Negative Results be
published?
Fecha: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:52 -0500
De: David Alcantara
listmas...@mail.arjournals.com
Para: f...@ibmb.csic.es
Dear colleague,
As you are well aware it is common in our field that many of our
endeavors do not lead to the results we want or expect. Numerous tests
and experiments have outcomes that we share with our immediate
colleagues during informal meetings, but that we are not considering
material for publication. As a result a wealth of information is never
brought to the attention of the greater public, which is not only
unfortunate, but also has others repeating similar studies to produce
the same negative results. Not only are a lot of resources like time
and money wasted in this way, but it also leads to frustration that
could have been prevented if only the scientists would have been aware
of the negative results of earlier studies.
My name is David Alcantara and, on behalf of our editorial board,
I’d like to invite you to submit your articles to The All Results
Journals: Biology, a new journal that focuses on publishing the grey
literature that has never been published. It is our goal to compile
and publish those experiments that led to negative results or to
outcomes that were not expected and were not before considered for
publication. We of The All Results Journals feel that it is equally
important to publish these results together with interpretations of
the scientists involved and in this way offer a solution to the
problem that publication bias is causing, because of a strong emphasis
on positive results.
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