Re: [ccp4bb] PEG molecule crossing a two-fold crystallographic symmetry axis

2009-04-29 Thread Tim Gruene

Hello Chandrika,

you can either set the occupancy of the molecule to 0.5 and refine it as 
a whole molecule or leave the occupancy at 1, refine only one half of the 
molecule and let the symmetry operator do the rest.


Chemically the first way makes more sense to me: even though the PEG 
molecule sits on the symmetry axis, it may nevertheless not follow the 
two-fold symmetry. The lattice is built by the macromolecule, and much can 
happen in the space inbetween - even though in that case you would 
probably have to deal with disorder.


When you deposit the structure you should do it depending on which of the 
two above methods you chose.


Tim

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Chandrika Deshpande wrote:


Hello everyone,

My protein crystallised in the spacegroup P6522 with one protein molecule in 
the asymmetric unit. I have a PEG molecule from the crystallization condition 
which crosses a two-fold crystallographic symmetry axis. PEG is symmetric hence 
this does not violate the crystal symmetry. However, this situation causes two 
problems which I need to solve :

First, How can I refine this structure ? I am using Phenix. Is there a way to 
remove van der Waals repulsion between one half occupancy PEG and its 
crystallographic symmetry mate ?

Second, how do I submit this structure to PDB ? Do I include a full PEG 
molecule at half occupancy even though one half is related to the other via 
crystallographic symmetry ?

Thanks,
Chandrika



Re: [ccp4bb] PEG molecule crossing a two-fold crystallographic symmetry axis

2009-04-29 Thread lidefeng
Hi everyone,

   Following Chandrika's question, what should I do if one peptide 
chain crosses a two-fold crystallographic symmetry axis?
The peptide is not symmetric and the sidechain of one Se-Met (two after CS 
operation) is determined and conformed by MAD.

   Your sincerely
De-Feng Li
lidef...@moon.ibp.ac.cn
  2009-04-29

Defeng Li, Dr.,
Email: lidef...@moon.ibp.ac.cn
National Laboratory of Biomacromolecules,
Institute of Biophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences,
15 Datun Road, Chaoyang District,
Beijing 100101, China


=== 2009-04-29 17:02:00 You writed in your letter:===

Hello everyone,

My protein crystallised in the spacegroup P6522 with one protein molecule in 
the asymmetric unit. I have a PEG molecule from the crystallization condition 
which crosses a two-fold crystallographic symmetry axis. PEG is symmetric 
hence this does not violate the crystal symmetry. However, this situation 
causes two problems which I need to solve :

First, How can I refine this structure ? I am using Phenix. Is there a way to 
remove van der Waals repulsion between one half occupancy PEG and its 
crystallographic symmetry mate ?

Second, how do I submit this structure to PDB ? Do I include a full PEG 
molecule at half occupancy even though one half is related to the other via 
crystallographic symmetry ?

Thanks,
Chandrika