Re: Front Panels Personal Update
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove captainkirk...@gmail.com wrote: That article is quite neat, I must say. I always thought that the logo was only Helvetica, but it's interesting to see what it really is. The only reason I know about the article was due to Google, but that was because I used to work for ArcSight and we were taken over by HP. I wanted to make a faux ArcSight logo in the image of the old DEC logo for a co-worker who retired early from HP. I made my faux-logo did using Helvetica. His story was interesting. He worked for Tandem. Was bought by Digital. Was bought by Compaq. Was bought my HP. Took early retirement. Found job at ArcSight. Worked there for a few years and then was assimilated by HP (again.) It was amusing for him to see everything come full-circle.
DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Katz j...@jonworld.com wrote: There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC D I G I T A L logo in blocks. That may be a start. http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in blocks the shape of the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing. Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I love cutting vinyl stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC logo would make a great prize in the contests I run on RetroBattlestations. -- Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com
RE: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:21 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update) On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Katz j...@jonworld.com wrote: There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC D I G I T A L logo in blocks. That may be a start. http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo. html The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in blocks the shape of the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing. Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I love cutting vinyl stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC logo would make a great prize in the contests I run on RetroBattlestations. -- Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com Have you seen the pics of old DEC machines at the bottom of this page? http://www.commodorecomputerclub.com/road-trip-living-computer-museum-june-2 5-2011/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4365/10045 - Release Date: 06/18/15
Re: DEC Logo
On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Rod Smallwood rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com wrote: ... My favorite story was one I know to be true. The story was that Ken Olsen drove a Pinto (cheap amercian car) and parked with everyone else. Sure enough there was this tatty Pinto parked in the main car park. To a depth of two cars the parking spaces around it were empty!! Not only that, but he he had a clear policy forbidding reserved parking spaces (other than handicapped spaces). His answer was that if you wanted a space near the door, all you had to do was come to work early. paul
Re: Front Panels Personal Update
On Thursday, 18 June 2015, Pontus Pihlgren pon...@update.uu.se wrote: The article pointed to by URL above specifically state that it isn't. /P Yeah, I realized that once my phone's *bleep* internet actually loaded the page... about two minutes after I sent the mail. That article is quite neat, I must say. I always thought that the logo was only Helvetica, but it's interesting to see what it really is. Cheers, Christian -- Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove STCKON08DS0 Contact information available upon request.
Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc
On 18/06/2015 14:58, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: Did you get a chance to see both of the flightworthy Lancasters together last year? I didn't since I'm not in the UK and the time that FM213 was over in the UK intersected with my university terms. Sadly not, I've only ever seen one at a time. But on a few occasions, since Elvington airfield is little over a mile from our house and that's one of the places they do demo flights. Except when the residents complain (who are these nutters that buy a house next to a working airfield and then complain about noise?). -- Pete Pete Turnbull
Re: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 07:20:51AM -0700, Chris Osborn wrote: On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Katz j...@jonworld.com wrote: There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC D I G I T A L logo in blocks. That may be a start. http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in blocks the shape of the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing. Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I love cutting vinyl stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC logo would make a great prize in the contests I run on RetroBattlestations. I suppose it's this one: http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/dec/pdp-1_online/dec.flip_flop_201.102633142.lg.jpg I recall seing a better version of the logo in some manual on bitsavers or similar. Can't find it now. /P
Re: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I suppose it's this one: http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/dec/pdp-1_online/dec.flip_flop_201.102633142.lg.jpg I recall seing a better version of the logo in some manual on bitsavers or similar. Can't find it now. I have a copy laying around as PostScript. /P -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Re: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Pontus Pihlgren pon...@update.uu.se wrote: I suppose it's this one: http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/dec/pdp-1_online/dec.flip_flop_201.102633142.lg.jpg I found that one a couple of times but it just looked like a rectangle to me, not “plug-in cards”, so I didn’t think that was it. I guess I was expecting too much. :-) -- Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com
Re: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Chris Osborn wrote: I have a copy laying around as PostScript. I?d love to get a copy! Let me find it. -- Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Re: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Chris Osborn wrote: I have a copy laying around as PostScript. I?d love to get a copy! http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html -- Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc
- Original Message - From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove captainkirk...@gmail.com To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:58 AM Subject: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc On 18 June 2015 at 06:06, Pete Turnbull p...@dunnington.plus.com javascript:; wrote: I'd have directed you to http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ if Rob hadn't already. Sometimes, though, it flies near places not on the official list - for example, I've seen it fly almost over our house (we live near Elvington) on two different Fridays in the last month or so. Presumably in transit to some other show. Very neat. It's too bad it's never flown to Canada before. Then again, why would it? I feel kind of miffed that I've not really gotten the chance to see any really cool planes flying. (I'd have loved to see the SR-71 in flight, or to see an SR-71 up close at all; the latter is still possible but I don't quite have the money for it...) - Reply - As a matter of fact, both the Vulcan and the Blackbird have appeared at the Canadian International Air Show here in Toronto in past years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_International_Air_Show Saw them both; Awesome! m
Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc
On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Peter Cetinski p...@pski.net wrote: My son is stationed at Beale AFB (where the SR-71s were originally based) and 7963 is on static display there. I've been up to it (you can actually *touch* it!) They are wicked cool looking and *big*. They also have a static display of the drone which could be launched from the back of an SR-71. After some initial testing (can't remember if they lost an aircraft in the process), they decided it wasn't a particularly good idea. The clearance between the drone and the vertical stabilizers/rudders is not large. TTFN - Guy I worked on the cameras on the SR-71 at Beale in the late 1980s. Still gives me goosebumps thinking about it. The drone was the D-21 which flew on the back of the M-21 (which was modified A-12 (which itself was the SR-71s predecessor)). You can see a video of that fateful test here. https://youtu.be/GMyC2urCl_4 Thanks. I hadn't seen that film before. I'm sort of sad about the SR-71. Our house is on a hill that can (almost) overlook Beale. It would have been *amazing* to have seen/heard SR-71s taking off. BTW, we see U-2s occasionally from our house. TTFN - Guy
Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc
My son is stationed at Beale AFB (where the SR-71s were originally based) and 7963 is on static display there. I've been up to it (you can actually *touch* it!) They are wicked cool looking and *big*. They also have a static display of the drone which could be launched from the back of an SR-71. After some initial testing (can't remember if they lost an aircraft in the process), they decided it wasn't a particularly good idea. The clearance between the drone and the vertical stabilizers/rudders is not large. TTFN - Guy I worked on the cameras on the SR-71 at Beale in the late 1980s. Still gives me goosebumps thinking about it. The drone was the D-21 which flew on the back of the M-21 (which was modified A-12 (which itself was the SR-71s predecessor)). You can see a video of that fateful test here. https://youtu.be/GMyC2urCl_4
Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc
On Jun 18, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Guy Sotomayor g...@shiresoft.com wrote: On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Peter Cetinski p...@pski.net wrote: My son is stationed at Beale AFB (where the SR-71s were originally based) and 7963 is on static display there. I've been up to it (you can actually *touch* it!) They are wicked cool looking and *big*. They also have a static display of the drone which could be launched from the back of an SR-71. After some initial testing (can't remember if they lost an aircraft in the process), they decided it wasn't a particularly good idea. The clearance between the drone and the vertical stabilizers/rudders is not large. TTFN - Guy I worked on the cameras on the SR-71 at Beale in the late 1980s. Still gives me goosebumps thinking about it. The drone was the D-21 which flew on the back of the M-21 (which was modified A-12 (which itself was the SR-71s predecessor)). You can see a video of that fateful test here. https://youtu.be/GMyC2urCl_4 Thanks. I hadn't seen that film before. I'm sort of sad about the SR-71. Our house is on a hill that can (almost) overlook Beale. It would have been *amazing* to have seen/heard SR-71s taking off. BTW, we see U-2s occasionally from our house. TTFN - Guy Yes, you never got tired of seeing a “sled” (our nickname for the blackbird) take off. Even more impressive were the engine tests of the J-58 where they used to invite us to come watch at night. You were able to stand within 50 feet or so of the engine which was locked down into a test harness as they ran it at full afterburner. The ground would shake and your teeth would rattle as your ear protectors tried to bounce off your head. I’m sure the tinnitus I have today was caused by those experiences.
Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc
On Jun 18, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Mike Stein mhs.st...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove captainkirk...@gmail.com To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:58 AM Subject: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc On 18 June 2015 at 06:06, Pete Turnbull p...@dunnington.plus.com javascript:; wrote: I'd have directed you to http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ if Rob hadn't already. Sometimes, though, it flies near places not on the official list - for example, I've seen it fly almost over our house (we live near Elvington) on two different Fridays in the last month or so. Presumably in transit to some other show. Very neat. It's too bad it's never flown to Canada before. Then again, why would it? I feel kind of miffed that I've not really gotten the chance to see any really cool planes flying. (I'd have loved to see the SR-71 in flight, or to see an SR-71 up close at all; the latter is still possible but I don't quite have the money for it...) - Reply - As a matter of fact, both the Vulcan and the Blackbird have appeared at the Canadian International Air Show here in Toronto in past years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_International_Air_Show Saw them both; Awesome! My son is stationed at Beale AFB (where the SR-71s were originally based) and 7963 is on static display there. I've been up to it (you can actually *touch* it!) They are wicked cool looking and *big*. They also have a static display of the drone which could be launched from the back of an SR-71. After some initial testing (can't remember if they lost an aircraft in the process), they decided it wasn't a particularly good idea. The clearance between the drone and the vertical stabilizers/rudders is not large. TTFN - Guy
Re: Have you seen Droste Week on RetroBattlestations?
On Jun 18, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com wrote: I went to the website, but still can't figure out what this has to do with chocolate… Here’s the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droste_effect It’s a bit obscure unless you are Dutch and over 45 or so years old. paul
RE: RK06 alignment pack
What is the difference between an RK06 and 07 ? Is it capacity? Yes, in particular number of cylinders. Both have 3 heads and IIRC same number of sectors. The RK07 has narrower heads than the RK06. AFAIK the RK07 will not even read an RK06 pack (I am not sure the servo will manage to lock). Could this pack be used to align an RK07 ? AFAIK, no. If it could, I would have bought it (given I have a pair of RK07s) I ask because we have an RK07 at the Update Computer Club. I also seem to remember that this pack is used with a special alignement meter, not a 'scope. And that there are special tools for moving the heads I found a sort-of user manual for this on bitsavers, but no schematics of the meter, so no easy way to replicate it. -tony
Re: Have you seen Droste Week on RetroBattlestations?
I went to the website, but still can't figure out what this has to do with chocolate... --Chuck
Re: Front Panels Personal Update
On Thursday (06/18/2015 at 07:50AM -0400), Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: Also typing on a phone sucks. Phoning on a phone sucks too. -- Chris Elmquist
Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc
Hi Christian, I'm guessing by the CLLI code in your sig, you're maybe close to St. Catharines, ON, CA? If that's true, I just wanted to let you know that - IIRC - there is a SR-71 on static display within a car trip of your location in Kalamazoo, MI at the Kalamazoo Air Zoo. It's actually a B-model ... trainer ... I saw it a few years ago when I was in town visiting my parents and it was pretty cool ... I think it's still there: http://www.airzoo.org/page.php?page_id=192 It doesn't do flying demos but it is a complete aircraft in mint condition and you can get right up there and touch it. Best, Sean On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove captainkirk...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2015 at 06:06, Pete Turnbull p...@dunnington.plus.com javascript:; wrote: I'd have directed you to http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ if Rob hadn't already. Sometimes, though, it flies near places not on the official list - for example, I've seen it fly almost over our house (we live near Elvington) on two different Fridays in the last month or so. Presumably in transit to some other show. Very neat. It's too bad it's never flown to Canada before. Then again, why would it? I feel kind of miffed that I've not really gotten the chance to see any really cool planes flying. (I'd have loved to see the SR-71 in flight, or to see an SR-71 up close at all; the latter is still possible but I don't quite have the money for it...) Sadly, on the first occasion it flew circuits for a quarter of an hour, but I didn't hear it (or realise it was the Vulcan) until my wife said something like Oh, that triangular aircraft has been flying around a bit for a while. (We often get noise from Elvington and sometimes I tune it out.) I watched it fly a couple of circuits before I thought to fetch the camera - by which time it was almost out of sight. On the second occasion it was so cloudy I couldn't get a decent shot. Sigh. I've had the fortune of seeing the former RCAF FM213 (now registered as C-GVRA) flying a few times. I honestly can't really tell if it is the Lancaster by looking at it (my eyes are shit), but the sound is sufficiently different from any5thing else there's little doubt. Though I may have mistook the B-25 or C-47 for it. Did you get a chance to see both of the flightworthy Lancasters together last year? I didn't since I'm not in the UK and the time that FM213 was over in the UK intersected with my university terms. Regards, Christian -- Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove STCKON08DS0 Contact information available upon request. -- Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove STCKON08DS0 Contact information available upon request.
RE: Documation card readers for sale
That bloody EDAC connector is not cheap. I ended up sourcing one for like $60. On the other hand you can hunt around for scrap 50 conductor telco No, but it is still available (easily) and it is very well made. Or at least the ones I have used are. The back shells are designed so you can fit them round the cable after wiring, thus avoiding the fruity language normally produced when you wire up nearly 100 wires and realise you have forgotten to thread the cable through the back shell. -tony
RE: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
From: Chris Osborn Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:03 AM That’s the modern Digital logo, not the DEC logo that looks like the plug-in cards. I thought you had a ps of the original pre-1957 DEC logo. Pre-1957??? That would be a good trick... Rich Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer Living Computer Museum 2245 1st Avenue S Seattle, WA 98134 mailto:ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
Re: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Jun 18, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Rich Alderson ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org wrote: That’s the modern Digital logo, not the DEC logo that looks like the plug-in cards. I thought you had a ps of the original pre-1957 DEC logo. Pre-1957??? That would be a good trick… I’m just going along with what that web site said that they had a different logo and then in 1957 they got their current logo. -- Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com
Altos ACS 8000 8500 board Schematic
Altos ACS 8000 8500 board schematics/chapter from the 8000 hardware supplement posted here: http://vintagecomputer.net/altos/8000/ b
Re: Altos ACS 8000 8500 board Schematic
On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:31 AM, william degnan billdeg...@gmail.com wrote: Altos ACS 8000 8500 board schematics/chapter from the 8000 hardware supplement posted here: http://vintagecomputer.net/altos/8000/ There’s a diagram there but no schematics. If you want the schematics for the 8500 board they are here: http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/content/computing/Altos/Manuals/ -- Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com
Re: Have you seen Droste Week on RetroBattlestations?
On 06/18/2015 11:39 AM, Paul Koning wrote: It’s a bit obscure unless you are Dutch and over 45 or so years old. Ah, that explains it, thanks. I like Droste chocolate, but don't recall seeing the recursive label. Land o' Lakes butter, however, I'm familiar with. --Chuck
Re: RK06 alignment pack
What is the difference between an RK06 and 07 ? Is it capacity? Could this pack be used to align an RK07 ? I ask because we have an RK07 at the Update Computer Club. /P On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 08:53:22PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: I don't have an RK06 and I am not expecting to get one any time soon, but I don't mind putting in an offer just to be sure it gets saved, but I wouldn't pay the full asking price. Does anyone intend to buy it or make an offer? If so then I won't. Regards Rob On 17 June 2015 at 16:39, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: Anyone need an RK06 alignment pack: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Equipment-RK06-Aglinment-pack-/221803433215 Seems like something that should definitely get saved! Noel
Re: using new technology on old machines. Was: PDP-12 Restoration at the RICM
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:53:33PM +0200, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 04:53:01PM +, tony duell wrote: I also think it is in the spirit of the computer - using what is available to fix a problem at hand. I think the arduino was overkill when an attiny (smaller, easier to hide) would probably serve just as well. Would you put plastic handles on a piecc of antique furniture? Would you make the seatboard for an antique longcase clock from MDF? Both are easily reversable, BTW. No but I would put an electric heater in a steam engine if it meant restoration would progress faster. (yes, feel free to lecture me how big that heater would have to be...) That has been done before for production purposes. I kid you not. Happened in Switzerland during WW2. Due to the war, coal was a bit in short supply, but Switzerland already back then had plenty of (hydro-) electric power, including on the railway grid. So they converted a few steam locomotives to steam-electric by replacing the firebox with electric heaters. IIRC it was only a few locomotives and they were mostly used for shunting work. Kind regards, Alex. -- Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. -- Thomas A. Edison
Re: OT? Compaq 5/60M
I haven't opened the DECpc to check to see if it was an EISA QVGA card or not. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Sean Caron sca...@umich.edu wrote: IIRC, they shipped that QVGA card you show on your Compaq P60 page with the DECpc AXP 150, too, no? Man that thing was awful ... I always lusted after the better card they shipped on that machine (don't recall) that could do 24-bit. I miss that box too ... ah, nostalgia. Best, Sean On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Sean Caron sca...@umich.edu wrote: Ha, I need to just stop using OT since it's ambiguous. On topic, on topic! :O Best, Sean On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Sean Caron sca...@umich.edu wrote: I'd consider it OT ... I miss my IBM 9595 ... with the P60 processor complex ... I thought it was doubly cool since the CPU was one of the examples of the Pentium that got shipped with the FDIV bug ... great machine to play with WNT 3.51/4, or OS/2 3.x or 4.x. I wouldn't say the P5 killed workstations or midrange ... they had maybe 10-15 years yet to move and shake when the P5 first hit the market ... but I suppose you are right in that it was probably the first shot across the bow. But time marched on, and now all you see in a full-size computer is x86_64. Ho hum ... :| Best, Sean On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:35 AM, Pontus Pihlgren pon...@update.uu.se wrote: Run of the mill PC clones are rather booring. But brand names, oddballs and first are always fun. I wouldn't mind to have the first DELL machine in my collection. I have a DECpc 433 with matching SCSI expansion box. A desktop machine with some interesting solutions. /P On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:43:17AM -0400, william degnan wrote: I know I keep pushing the boundary of vintage lately but I wanted to report to those who care that I finally got my hands on a 1993 Compaq 5/60M - this is a if not the first desktop computer with a Pentium processor installed stock. it was the 1993 dream machine - $9000+ It had an EISA bus and was otherwise a 486 system with a Pentium controller card, not on the motherboard. Pentium computers' contribution to the WWW era vintage is extremely significant. Pentium killed the minicomputer, or at a minimum merged into it, if you ask me. The interplay between DEC/Compaq/HP/Intel 1992-1995 culminating into the launch of Pentium processor systems is vital to understanding the WWW era of computing. How these companies worked or did not work together and how the Pentium vs. the Alpha processor came to be...a good tale of woe and $$. For those interested: Compaq 5/60: http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=612 I have a bunch of articles to post on my site related to the first Pentium desktops which I will do asap. Bill P.S. while we're on this off-sh topic I also posted some photos of a Digital 486 laptop, DEC had a 486 laptop before it was absorbed by Compaq. 1994. Not really noteworthy other than the Digital name http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=613 P.S.S. and related to Pentium and DEC ... here is one of DEC's early (but not the first) Pentium machine http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=585
Re: DEC RRD-42 CDROM drives
I could always use another RRD42; you're just looking to let go of them for cost of shipping? Best, Sean On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Richard Loken richar...@admin.athabascau.ca wrote: Somebody said something recently about wanting an RRD-42 or two. I just found two of them in my pile of obselete electronics and I don't need them. I also found two RRD-40s but my VAX3000/30 is fond of those. I did not find any RRD-45s which my AS4100 has a taste for. Speak up if you are looking for an RRD-42, I can also throw in the spiffy little CD carrier. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : Anybody can be a father Athabasca University: but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy' ** richar...@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston
Re: Components Data Books
Yes! I am totally with you; just being able to flip through the books and peruse a broad swath of the vendor's product line, has the potential to stir the creativity in a way that's hard to replicate with discrete PDF datasheets for each component ... most vendors Web sites are a mess and it's sometimes hard to get a sense for what all their products exactly are and how they relate to one another. Not to mention when at the bench or the keyboard, I can mark pages, flip back and forth, dog-ear, bookmark to my heart's content without having to wait (bench utility computer is slow) or change context out of my shell, text editor or whatnot to fire up Acrobat Reader ... It _is_ nice to have the ability to Google a random part number and get an ID back 99% of the time but when I am actually working with the part, yeah, it's so nice to have paper... When I'm doing a project, most of my schematics start out on scraps of paper, too :O I will try to compile a proper index of my own databook holdings and get them on the Web here soon. Best, Sean On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:19 AM, tony duell a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: Mine too! I just love the old paper books versus PDFs ... and I've got a So do I. It is a lot easier to filp through a databook than through a collection of PDFs. This has 2 uses : 1) If you need to find what a house-numbered part really is, you can quickly look at possible candidates in the databooks to see if any match 2) It was a lot easier to find new components to design with using the paper books than the PDFs. I can't seem to get the hang of finding interesting new devices now. It is convenient to be able to download datasheets sure. But alas this has led to the demise of the paper databook, you simply can't buy them any more. Oh well... FWIW, I must have over 100 databooks here. Mostly mid 1980s - 1990, but a few earlier. -tony
Re: RK06 alignment pack
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:39:19AM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-06-18 08:16, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I ask because we have an RK07 at the Update Computer Club. I didn't know. When did we get one, and from where? We had one many years ago that I dumped. We might still have the packs from that one around. Do you remember the pair of 11/44 that Göran brought us from Gothenburg, they came with one RK07 and a bunch of packs. The machines ended up elsewhere but we though the RK07 could have a place at Update. Not sure how useful it is though.. /P
Re: RK06 alignment pack
On 2015-06-18 08:16, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: What is the difference between an RK06 and 07 ? Is it capacity? Yes. The RK07 is double the capacity. Could this pack be used to align an RK07 ? I don't think so. The RK06 and RK07 used the same design for the packs, but the RK07 packs twice the capacity. I believe it is just doubling the number of tracks. But of course, that means that RK06 packs do not match what RK07 drive expects from track width and number of tracks. I ask because we have an RK07 at the Update Computer Club. I didn't know. When did we get one, and from where? We had one many years ago that I dumped. We might still have the packs from that one around. Johnny /P On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 08:53:22PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: I don't have an RK06 and I am not expecting to get one any time soon, but I don't mind putting in an offer just to be sure it gets saved, but I wouldn't pay the full asking price. Does anyone intend to buy it or make an offer? If so then I won't. Regards Rob On 17 June 2015 at 16:39, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: Anyone need an RK06 alignment pack: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Equipment-RK06-Aglinment-pack-/221803433215 Seems like something that should definitely get saved! Noel -- Johnny Billquist || I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip - B. Idol
