Re: ID board Dilog SU723A

[Jerry Weiss via cctalk]

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 7:17 PM, John Welch via cctech  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!  I did some searching but all The Google could find were a few 
> re-sellers that had the board but no info.  The 'feet' of the board (the part 
> that plugs into the buss sockets) are labeled C, D, E, and F so it sort of 
> smelled like unibus.
> 
> Have you ever used one of these boards?
> 
> 
> On 1/8/2018 9:18 AM, Phil Blundell wrote:
>> On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 09:13 -0600, John Welch via cctech wrote:
>>> Does anyone know this board?  I think it may be a SCSI controller. I
>>> cannot tell if it is Unibus or Qbus.
>> 
>> According to:
>> 
>> http://www.dilog.com/unibus.html
>> 
>> it's:
>> SU723A   SCSI, TMSCP, 7drives, Quad Height.
>> 
>> and (judging from the URL) it's presumably Unibus.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> p.




Take a look at  
ftp://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dilog/2120-0147_DU686_ESDI_MSCP_Nov87.pdf
 

   

Its only Unibus type device I have seen a Dilog Manual for. It might help you 
sort out the Unibus addressing 
if the basic design of the host controllers are consistent between products. 
Obviously the media side will
be completely different.


Jerry

Re: ID board Dilog SU723A

[John Welch via cctalk]

Thanks!  I did some searching but all The Google could find were a few 
re-sellers that had the board but no info.  The 'feet' of the board (the 
part that plugs into the buss sockets) are labeled C, D, E, and F so it 
sort of smelled like unibus.


Have you ever used one of these boards?


On 1/8/2018 9:18 AM, Phil Blundell wrote:

On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 09:13 -0600, John Welch via cctech wrote:

Does anyone know this board?  I think it may be a SCSI controller. I
cannot tell if it is Unibus or Qbus.


According to:

http://www.dilog.com/unibus.html

it's:
SU723A  SCSI, TMSCP, 7drives, Quad Height.

and (judging from the URL) it's presumably Unibus.

hth

p.

Re: DEC tape drives and cards

[js--- via cctalk]

On 1/6/2018 5:51 AM, shad via cctalk 
wrote:

Hello,
I have some doubt about DEC tape units and related interfaces.

What I know about (right or wrong, please correct):
- TU80 is a Pertec drive, it needs M7454 (unibus, TS11 driver) which is a
modified Dilog DU132. No option for QBUS.

- TS05 is a Pertec drive, it needs TSV05 (qbus, TSV05 driver) which is a
modified Emulex ???)

- TU81 plus is LESI or Pertec, you need KLESI (unibus / qbus, TMSCP driver).

Now the questions:
I have both a TU80 and TU81plus, and both Unibus and Qbus machines, but no
interfaces.
I would like to connect at least TU80 to unibus, and TU81 to qbus, but for
backup reasons it would be better to have both drives on both busses.

What are the DEC or third party card which would fit better on my drives,
and/or which would offer better driver compatibility with various OSs (via
switchable configuration).

I'm not sure about interface compatibility (Pertec interfaces could be
swapped),
and driver compatibility (what is better for RT11, what for BSD, what for
VMS).

I would accept also some offer to my email, if somebody has something
interesting to sell (better if in EU).

Thanks
Andrea


I only have SCSI tape drives, and a TS05.  But take a look at the various 
Emulex tape controllers.   I believe TS11 and TMSCP emulations are what you'd 
want.


TC02Q   Emulex Pertec-interface tape drive controller.
Emulates TS11. Early revisions incompatible
with VMS.

TC02Q   Emulex Pertec-interface tape drive controller.
Emulates TS11. Early revisions incompatible
with VMS. Supports 1-4 Cipher F880, CDC 92181,
Kennedy 6809, and Pertec F1000.

TC02/FS Q   Emulex .5" reel-to-reel tape controller,

TC05Q   Emulex CDC Sentinel .25" cartridge tape controller.
Emulates TS11. Supports CDC 92192 Sentinel.

TC05/SX Q   Emulex .5" reel-to-reel tape controller.

TC11/N  U   Emulex .5" reel-to-reel tape controller.
Emulating TM11/TU10.

TC11/P  U   Emulex .5" reel-to-reel tape controller.
Emulating TM11/TU10.

TC11/V  U   Emulex .5" reel-to-reel tape controller.
Emulates MT11/TU10. Needs Emulex VAX/UT software.

TC12U   Emulex .5" reel-to-reel tape controller.
Emulates TS11. 22-bit. Supports 1-4 Cipher F880,
CDC 92181, Kennedy 6809, and Pertec F1000.

TC12/FS U   Emulex .5" reel-to-reel tape controller,

TC13Q   Emulex Pertec-interface tape drive controller.
Switchable TU81 TMSCP or TS11 emulation.

TC13U   Emulex Pertec-interface tape drive controller.
Switchable TU81 TMSCP or TS11 emulation. Supports
1-4 Cipher F880, CDC 92181, Kennedy 6809, and
Pertec F1000.

{above excerpted from M. Gentry's Field Guide)


- js.

Re: ID board Dilog SU723A

[js--- via cctalk]

On 1/8/2018 3:03 PM, shad via cctalk 
wrote:

Hello,
I also have a Dilog SU723A, but never managed to find any docs for it.
My board is revision D.
It works be very nice to find something.

As the MSCP / TMSCP selection is only a matter of firmware, I wouldn't be
surprised if the MSCP SU726A was the same board with different PROM.

Andrea


Does the 723 work differently than the 726?

I'd saved the below 726 info from somewhere.


Info re Dilog SU726A


There is, indeed, a serial port. I have 
found documentation for other
DiLog boards and on them the serial port 
is relatively standard
(unlike the Viking, on which the serial 
signals are embedded on the

SCSI connector I think).

The documentation also suggests there 
may be two methods to get at

setup from the system console.

The first method (loading 7 into 
 and then jumping to 2000)
hasn't worked so far. I am about to try 
booting from 175000 to see if
that works. Otherwise, I will have to 
look for the appropriate serial

cable.


The documentation I have for a different 
DiLog board gives a Digital
part number BC20N-05 for the serial 
cable, and also gives the pin-outs.



Here are the details:

Method 1: You need to know what address 
the board is set for. The
board has two consecutive addresses in 
the I/O page. In console ODT,
open up the first address and deposit 0. 
Open up the second address
and deposit 7. Start executing at 
location 2000, thus:


@17760344/xx 0
@17760346/xx 7
@2000g


Method 2: Install jumpers at JP13 and 
JP14. Boot from address

175000, thus:

@175000g

In either case you get an "*" prompt. 
Type FT to start the setup
program. (You can also specify a device 
to boot from by entering a

device name and unit number here.)

Hope this helps the next guy.

- Rob
Rob Brown br...@gmcl.com
http://gmcl.com/

Re: ID board Dilog SU723A

[shadoooo via cctalk]

Hello,
I also have a Dilog SU723A, but never managed to find any docs for it.
My board is revision D.
It works be very nice to find something.

As the MSCP / TMSCP selection is only a matter of firmware, I wouldn't be
surprised if the MSCP SU726A was the same board with different PROM.

Andrea

Seeking VT220 flyback

[Aaron Jackson via cctalk]

I asked a while back, but thought I'd try again. I'm looking for a
replacement flyback transformer for a VT220-F, part number 16-26299-01
by TAI HO. I've found a few online, a bit higher priced than I'd like,
especially after import tax. If you have one you'd be willing to sell,
please get in touch.

Thanks,
Aaron.


--
Aaron Jackson
PhD Student, Computer Vision Laboratory, Uni of Nottingham
http://aaronsplace.co.uk

Re: AIX 4.1.3 on 7009-C20 RS/6000

[Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk]

Hi there!

   Yeah, it never gets so far as to put any information up on the console.  
Only some LED codes that indicates it attempts boot, then goes back to the ROM 
menu.  After some more research last night, looks like I'd need the 4.1.3 for 
Servers for D5 Processor Group, so this media probably isn't going to get me 
anywhere, even if I could try a NIM boot.


   As for why 4.1.3, I have some old stuff that requires that version.  I'm 
fully aware that 4.3.3 or even 5.1 would probably result in a more useful 
system overall, and I have media kits for both, but 4.1.3 only is what's in 
scope right now.


   Anyway, thanks much!






From: Rico Pajarola 
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 1:08 AM
To: Benjamin Huntsman; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: AIX 4.1.3 on 7009-C20 RS/6000

As far as I remember trying to install the client version of AIX on a server 
type machine will bomb early in the installation, but it will give you some 
confirmation that it did indeed boot from the CD. Maybe your CD is indeed bad.

Any specific reason why you want to run 4.1.3 and not 4.1.5, 4.2.1 or 4.3.3? 
(is there any hardware that only works with 4.1.3?).


On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:57 AM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk 
> wrote:
Any RS/6000 hobbyists out there?


I got my old 7009-C20 pretty tricked out and hardware carefully selected to be 
compatible with AIX 4.1.3, the version I'm trying to get running on it. 
Unfortunately, I can't get the dang thing to boot my 4.1.3 or 4.1.4 CD's.  
It'll boot my 4.1.5 disc, however.  The 4.1.3 and 4.1.4 CD's are labeled "AIX 
for clients" or something like that, and I seem to recall having trouble 
getting other RS/6000's to boot from this 4.1.3 CD, even though it's genuine 
original media, and reads just fine in a working system.


Anyone know a way to check what systems an old AIX 4.1 disc supports, or have  
C20 or similar MCA machine running 4.1.3?


My other thought was to try to NIM boot it using my ThinkPad 860 as a NIM 
server (running 4.1.5), but it unfortunately doesn't have enough capacity to 
hold a lpp_source and a SPOT, and even then it looks like the 4.1.3 disc may 
not have enough stuff on it to support the C20 anyway...


Anyway, thanks in advance!

Re: HP 9816 logging and skyline software -- any interest?

[Jason T via cctalk]

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 9:27 PM, Dave via cctalk  wrote:
> Hi Folks!
> I have documentation for some forestry software, that came with my HP9816 
> machines.  I am not sure, but I may have a tape or disk to go with it.
> It's called "MSAP", for Multispan Skyline Analysis Program, and appears to be 
> a successor to the software documented in the following links:
> http://bit.ly/2EjAC0N
> http://bit.ly/2CFp2wk
>
> I have no use for it, but it seems like it may be of historical value.  Would 
> anyone here be interested in it?

As part of the "scan it all" camp, I'd say it should be preserved
(tapes/disks, too).  IIRC, you are in the UK?  Are you set up to do
the scans?

Re: ID board Dilog SU723A

[Phil Blundell via cctalk]

On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 09:13 -0600, John Welch via cctech wrote:
> Does anyone know this board?  I think it may be a SCSI controller. I 
> cannot tell if it is Unibus or Qbus.

According to:

http://www.dilog.com/unibus.html

it's:
SU723A
SCSI, TMSCP, 7drives, Quad Height.

and (judging from the URL) it's presumably Unibus.

hth

p.

ID board Dilog SU723A

[John Welch via cctalk]

I have this board Dilog SU7 23A

Does anyone know this board?  I think it may be a SCSI controller. I 
cannot tell if it is Unibus or Qbus.


Any help appriciated.

Sincerely,
John Welch

Re: AIX 4.1.3 on 7009-C20 RS/6000

[Kevin Bowling via cctalk]

Yes, http://ps-2.kev009.com/ has my RS/6k preservation

Why are you trying to install that specific version?  For "standard"
MCA systems there are only three versions the really "matter" IMHO and
backward binary compatibility is good in AIX:  3.2.5, 4.3.3, 5.1.
3.2.5 is best for early POWER1 and includes a compiler.  4.3.3 is a
good balance of performance, new enough C/POSIX interfaces to port
stuff, features, etc.  5.1 is fine on more powerful machines (the C20
with cache should be ok).

For newer PCI systems 5.1, 5.3, 7.1 are the interesting versions.  5.1
for PReP, 5.3 for older CHRP, 7.1 for P4-P6.  7.2 will only run on
P7+.  And then the oddball systems like the Apple Network Server and
ThinkPad 800s have their own 4.1 releases, and the 7007-N40 has a
special 3.2.5 release.  I have the ANS and N40 releases if anyone
needs them.

Regards,

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk
 wrote:
> Any RS/6000 hobbyists out there?
>
>
> I got my old 7009-C20 pretty tricked out and hardware carefully selected to 
> be compatible with AIX 4.1.3, the version I'm trying to get running on it. 
> Unfortunately, I can't get the dang thing to boot my 4.1.3 or 4.1.4 CD's.  
> It'll boot my 4.1.5 disc, however.  The 4.1.3 and 4.1.4 CD's are labeled "AIX 
> for clients" or something like that, and I seem to recall having trouble 
> getting other RS/6000's to boot from this 4.1.3 CD, even though it's genuine 
> original media, and reads just fine in a working system.
>
>
> Anyone know a way to check what systems an old AIX 4.1 disc supports, or have 
>  C20 or similar MCA machine running 4.1.3?
>
>
> My other thought was to try to NIM boot it using my ThinkPad 860 as a NIM 
> server (running 4.1.5), but it unfortunately doesn't have enough capacity to 
> hold a lpp_source and a SPOT, and even then it looks like the 4.1.3 disc may 
> not have enough stuff on it to support the C20 anyway...
>
>
> Anyway, thanks in advance!
>

Re: To the 2901 bit slicers out there

[emanuel stiebler via cctalk]

On 2018-01-07 19:46, ben via cctalk wrote:
> On 1/6/2018 4:01 PM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
>> On 2017-12-27 21:35, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> What have you done, with microprogramming this part?  In your
>>> architecture,  have you changed the microcode, create an instruction
>>> to enhance your machine?
>>> I would be interested in any hardware projects, stories (or even in
>>> the FPGA, I hear its a popular thing to copy);
>>
>> I hope you saw this one. Fresh on opencores:
>>
>> https://opencores.org/project,am9080_cpu_based_on_microcoded_am29xx_bit-slices
>>
>>
>> cheers
>>
> 
> I don't expect many people will copy that. A FPGA 8080 runs darn fast as
> is. Ben.

And I don't expect people in this group to look for "fast". I think they
are interested in "cool" or historically significant. And it is cool,
that finally somebody took the am9080 application note and put it into
an FPGA. It is a nice start to a lot of bit slice designs.

> PS: I plan to have some sort of 20 or 24 cpu bit 2901 running in a DE1
> FPGA this spring. 3 - 7 bit bytes (21/20 bit wide memory for the 20 bit
> CPU) or 3 - 8 bit bytes with a 24 bit cpu. Might need to order more
> Front panel switches how ever.

Good luck!

DEC H960 stabiliser feet. Have some questions.

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Steven Malikoff

> That's the first actual photo I've seen of the foot, and I see what you
> mean.

Oh, I can take more, then; let me know what you need.


> Let's regard the inner vertical surface where it mates to the rack as
> the normal surface.

Right; that's our reference plane.

> If you have a length of something straight .. clamp it with a .. clamp
> to that inner surface

Umm, not possible. There are two diagonal (in the horizontal plane) ribs
coming off that surface, so there's no way to clamp anything vertical to
it. The _front_ (outer) surface, parallel to the reference plane, I could get
to (and the clamp is a good idea). Here's what I wound up with:

  http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/jpg/StabilizerMeasurement.jpg

(Yes, yes, I know, tha assumes the back face of the square is parallel to the
front; it is, pretty much - I checked with a vernier calipers.)

So the vertical distance from the horizontal plane at the bottom of the
stabilizer, at its tip, to the bottom of the 'outer surface' (as above), is
17/32". The distance from the plane of the 'outer surface' to the end of the
stabilizer is 7-9/16". The distance between the reference plane and the 'outer
surface' is 7.14mm (one thing I _could_ get a vernier calipers on :-).


Also, it turns out the right-hand vertical face of the stabilizer is _not_
perpendicular to the reference plane! The foot angles in slightly. The outer
vertical surface is a plane along its entire length, so it's hard to notice
unless you put a square on it directly:

  http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/jpg/StabilizerAngled.jpg

(Sorry about the lens distortion; wanted to show that the square was along
the reference plane.)

I couldn't get anything clamped on to make the measurement, but the tip of
the stabilizer is about 1/2" (to a /32nd, or so) in from a vertical plane
perpendicular to the reference plane, and situated at the right-most location
on the foot (i.e. along the edge of the square, in that photo).


> A pencil rubbing on paper, or paper creasing slong eges then drawn over
> with a ruler can also help to get angled surfaces.

Sorry, couldn't figure that out?

> Another thing, CAD can make good use of non-perpendicular measurements.
> So if you're able to measure something across a diagonal or at some odd
> angle, then please do so. It can be used to triangulate and improve
> other taken measurements, like a point cloud.

What other measurements should I take?

One easy/obvious one is from the right-hand outer bottom corner of the
stabilizer to the left-hand bottom corner of the reference plane: that's
8-9/32". (A lot of these corners are rounded, so exact measurements are a
matter of choice) The top inner corner of the right-hand face is 9-11/32"
from the bottom outer corner of that face (same corner as above).

Noel

Re: Need keyboard for IBM 528x

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On 6 January 2018 at 16:17, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctech
 wrote:

> (it came with an 8² disk

JFYI: your email client is sending a superscript 2 character instead
of double quotes.

This is often due to Apple OSes configured to use smart quotes. You
might wish to turn that off.

E.g.

https://www.jordanmerrick.com/posts/ios-11-smart-punctuation


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Re: ADDS Envoy terminal question

[Evan Koblentz via cctalk]

Does anyone have an ADDS Envoy portable terminal, circa 1972-1976? If 
so, then please let me know if what if any are the U.S. patent numbers 
cited on it.


Thanks,
Evan

Is this the portable 5" version?  I will look if that is what you're after.
thanks
Jim


I think so.

Re: AIX 4.1.3 on 7009-C20 RS/6000

[Rico Pajarola via cctalk]

As far as I remember trying to install the client version of AIX on a
server type machine will bomb early in the installation, but it will give
you some confirmation that it did indeed boot from the CD. Maybe your CD is
indeed bad.

Any specific reason why you want to run 4.1.3 and not 4.1.5, 4.2.1 or
4.3.3? (is there any hardware that only works with 4.1.3?).


On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:57 AM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Any RS/6000 hobbyists out there?
>
>
> I got my old 7009-C20 pretty tricked out and hardware carefully selected
> to be compatible with AIX 4.1.3, the version I'm trying to get running on
> it. Unfortunately, I can't get the dang thing to boot my 4.1.3 or 4.1.4
> CD's.  It'll boot my 4.1.5 disc, however.  The 4.1.3 and 4.1.4 CD's are
> labeled "AIX for clients" or something like that, and I seem to recall
> having trouble getting other RS/6000's to boot from this 4.1.3 CD, even
> though it's genuine original media, and reads just fine in a working system.
>
>
> Anyone know a way to check what systems an old AIX 4.1 disc supports, or
> have  C20 or similar MCA machine running 4.1.3?
>
>
> My other thought was to try to NIM boot it using my ThinkPad 860 as a NIM
> server (running 4.1.5), but it unfortunately doesn't have enough capacity
> to hold a lpp_source and a SPOT, and even then it looks like the 4.1.3 disc
> may not have enough stuff on it to support the C20 anyway...
>
>
> Anyway, thanks in advance!
>
>