Re: Digilog DLM III?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:21 PM, W2HX via cctalk wrote: > Hi friends. Looking for a user manual (or anything) for this data line > monitor. Here is a picture: > > http://w2hx.com/x/Digilog/Digilog-DLM-III.jpg I have one of those (rescued from Software Results Corp. 25 years ago). And astoundingly, the Operator Manual was stored right on top. About 60 single-sided pages. It's not an original manual. It's already a Xerox copy but it appears to be in fair shape, not too much copy fade. I can see about scanning it this week. I didn't see a copy of the manual online anywhere, but I did find several mentions in Computerworld, like this one from 11 Oct 1982 announcing a price cut on the DLM III from $3775 to $2995. https://books.google.com/books?id=LW9X-GFY68sC&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64 -ethan
Digilog DLM III?
Hi friends. Looking for a user manual (or anything) for this data line monitor. Here is a picture: http://w2hx.com/x/Digilog/Digilog-DLM-III.jpg Thanks
Re: sugar packjets anyone ever come across em?
I much prefer people to collect these instead of keys from keyboards. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Paul Koning via cctalk Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 2:00:43 PM To: Grant Taylor; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: sugar packjets anyone ever come across em? > On Apr 20, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 04/20/2018 02:03 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> Sugar packets are common in Holland, and often come printed with company >> logos for use as promotional items (or for use in the company cafeteria). > > Are they actually sugar to put in coffee‽ Yes. I found a website for collectors: https://www.suikerzak.nl/index.php/zoeken-op-alles -- enter "Electrologica" in the text box and click on "Zoeken" (search) and it will show you 10 entries, including the one Adrian showed. paul
Re: Andromeda SCDC Qbus controller question
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Alan Frisbie via cctalk wrote: > > I can send you a copy of the manual, complete with all my > editorial comments written on it. Do you also happen to have a manual for the Andromeda ESDC ESDI disk controller? I have an ESDC controller, was never able to find a manual for it.
Re: Andromeda SCDC Qbus controller question
Douglas Taylor wrote: > I just got one of these and wanted to configure it via the 10 > pin RS232 port on the board. > Is the port a standard DLV11-J type? Yes, it is identical. I was the original beta tester on the SCDC and used it extensively. In fact, the designers called it "the Frisbie port". :-) > I have one of those D-bit DLV11-J to DB25 adapters but not > getting any response. You may need a null modem. Try swapping pins 2 and 3. I can send you an genuine Andromeda DB25 adapter if you give me a mailing address and promise to send me $10. :-) > Any info on the few jumpers on the board? They changed between the original Rev. A and final Rev. F boards. Which one do you have? I can send you a copy of the manual, complete with all my editorial comments written on it. Alan "Packrat" Frisbie
Re: Int 13h buffer 64k boundaries
> That reminds me of when I phoned IBM here in Ireland looking for software
> support for their VM mainframe operating system not too many years later,
> sometime in the early 1990s. I spelled out every variation of the name
> I could think of but they kept asking me what version of OS/2 I had.
> I guess by then the circle had turned again.
Did they think that you were saying "P M"?
"PM" ("Presentation Manager") was the OS/2 equivalent of "Windows"
Tell them that you mean 'V' as in "Venus" :-)
Well, I called out terms such as Virtual Machine / Conversational (Cambridge?)
Monitor System / System Product / High Performance Option and got back the
over the telephone equivelant of blank looks and questions about whether the
hardware involved was a PS/2 (it was an Amdahl 5870 but we had an IBM
software support contract).
I must have managed to get the message through eventually though because
some time after I left that job, my former boss told me that IBM got back
to them with a workaround for the issue I reported.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
Re: sugar packjets anyone ever come across em?
from the factory complex in holland
Re: sugar packjets anyone ever come across em?
> On Apr 20, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 04/20/2018 02:03 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> Sugar packets are common in Holland, and often come printed with company >> logos for use as promotional items (or for use in the company cafeteria). > > Are they actually sugar to put in coffee‽ Yes. I found a website for collectors: https://www.suikerzak.nl/index.php/zoeken-op-alles -- enter "Electrologica" in the text box and click on "Zoeken" (search) and it will show you 10 entries, including the one Adrian showed. paul
Re: sugar packjets anyone ever come across em?
On 04/20/2018 02:03 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Sugar packets are common in Holland, and often come printed with company logos for use as promotional items (or for use in the company cafeteria). Are they actually sugar to put in coffee‽ I'm used to desiccant packets, a.k.a. silica gel coming in everything here in the U.S.A. Decidedly NOT sugar. But sometimes mistakenly considered to be sugar. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: sugar packjets anyone ever come across em?
> On Apr 20, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk > wrote: > > anyone ever come across sugar packets? this came in a lot of manuals and > documents that arived the other day kinda neat > https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x512q90/922/T4MCLS.jpg I haven't seen that particular one. Sugar packets are common in Holland, and often come printed with company logos for use as promotional items (or for use in the company cafeteria). Some people collect them, in the way others collect stamps. paul
Re: sugar packjets anyone ever come across em?
On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: anyone ever come across sugar packets? this came in a lot of manuals and documents that arived the other day kinda neat https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x512q90/922/T4MCLS.jpg "sugar packets"?? Are you talking about a packet of Silica Gel (used as a dessicant)? Silica gel is non-toxic, although large quantity could be dehydrating, but the blue/pink moisture indicator (cobalt chloride) is considered carcinogenic.
sugar packjets anyone ever come across em?
anyone ever come across sugar packets? this came in a lot of manuals and documents that arived the other day kinda neat https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x512q90/922/T4MCLS.jpg
Re: Int 13h buffer 64k boundaries
On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
That reminds me of when I phoned IBM here in Ireland looking for software
support for their VM mainframe operating system not too many years later,
sometime in the early 1990s. I spelled out every variation of the name
I could think of but they kept asking me what version of OS/2 I had.
I guess by then the circle had turned again.
Did they think that you were saying "P M"?
"PM" ("Presentation Manager") was the OS/2 equivalent of "Windows"
Tell them that you mean 'V' as in "Venus" :-)
Re: Multics Lives
On 04/20/2018 09:45 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: Howdy, Hi, It seems to go unmentioned here, so here you are. One guy have set up a public Multics site. Oh, *SHINY*!!! Multics has been on my list to play with when I find enough round tuits. }:-) Thank you for sharing. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Multics Lives
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 09:10:44AM -0700, Charles Anthony wrote: > > Multics guides, FAQs, tips: > > http://swenson.org/multics_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page > > > > -- Charles > > Ooooh nice to know, thank you. I am in a process of learning help > system on Multics and trying to pipe full help on some subject via > something akin to the /usr/bin/less, because typing "y" to > display every following four or six lines quickly gets boring. Since > even MSDOS had MORE command, I hope to be able to find something. > > Either this or... all right, I can type r in help prompt and get > everything dumped on terminal. Cool. I must admit, help system on VMS > was about the nicest one I have ever used. > > I have good memories of VMS help. The "lh" command works like "man -k". The thing I miss most in the Multics help is the complete lack of "see also" contents -- lists of related commands/functions. -- Charles
Re: Multics Lives
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 09:10:44AM -0700, Charles Anthony wrote: > Multics guides, FAQs, tips: > http://swenson.org/multics_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page > > -- Charles Ooooh nice to know, thank you. I am in a process of learning help system on Multics and trying to pipe full help on some subject via something akin to the /usr/bin/less, because typing "y" to display every following four or six lines quickly gets boring. Since even MSDOS had MORE command, I hope to be able to find something. Either this or... all right, I can type r in help prompt and get everything dumped on terminal. Cool. I must admit, help system on VMS was about the nicest one I have ever used. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: Int 13h buffer 64k boundaries
On 04/20/2018 03:23 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > That reminds me of when I phoned IBM here in Ireland looking for software > support for their VM mainframe operating system not too many years later, > sometime in the early 1990s. I spelled out every variation of the name > I could think of but they kept asking me what version of OS/2 I had. > I guess by then the circle had turned again. Around 1983-4, we were looking for a smallish minicomputer to share the workload of our VAX 11/750. So we were considering alternatives. Since the 750 was running BSD, we definitely wanted another Unix box. I saw a product announcement for the AT&T 3B5 mini and it looked like something that might fit the bill. So, I wanted to find out about pricing and where we could benchmark one. AT&T had just gone through its breakup/"consent decree", so I placed a call to AT&T Sales and asked about the 3B5. I was transfered several times to various sales types who didn't have the faintest idea of what I was talking about, even after I read them the product announcement. It was an hour of being transfered from department to department, with absolutely no satisfaction. We eventually gave up--if AT&T was going to be this difficult just to *sell* us a system, what kind of nightmare was *support* likely to be? The only computer anyone knew anything about was the PC 6300. I told them that I could drop by the Sears Computer Store (remember those?) on El Camino and take one home this evening if that's what I wanted. In the end, they offered to send us some literature--you guessed it--that described the 6300. --Chuck
Re: Multics Lives
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I have none prior experience with Multics, so it is going to be > interesting. I guess. > > Source: > > AN.AI's Public Access Multics System > > https://lobste.rs/s/4ktahz/ban_ai_s_public_access_multics_system > > https://ban.ai/multics/ > > Multics guides, FAQs, tips: http://swenson.org/multics_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page -- Charles
Re: RL Drive Terminators
I just bought one for about $28. That seemed reasonable to me. Enough to not bother to build it. 73 Eugene W2HX From: cctalk on behalf of Bill Gunshannon via cctalk Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 9:24 AM To: Classic Computer Mailing List Subject: RL Drive Terminators I see some company selling them on eBay for $122. Are they really worth anything like that? I have a couple sitting around here somewhere that I don't expect to ever use again. Just wondering if they are worth looking for to sell. In this hobby you can always use money for new (well, old actually) toys. bill
Multics Lives
Howdy, It seems to go unmentioned here, so here you are. One guy have set up a public Multics site. Access via ssh: # ~$ ssh d...@m.trnsz.com # The authenticity of host 'm.trnsz.com (139.162.119.37)' can't be # established. # ECDSA key fingerprint is # e7:f6:da:31:eb:a0:a5:0b:50:fc:91:96:32:e7:18:f2. # Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes # Warning: Permanently added 'm.trnsz.com,139.162.119.37' (ECDSA) to the # list of k # nown hosts. # Connection from: AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD # Session starting now, Fri 20 Apr 2018 at 15:34:42 UTC. # # BAN.AI Systems Public Access Multics Service # # ▄▄ ▀▀█ ▄ ▀ # ██ ██ ▄ ▄ █ ▄▄█▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ # █ ██ █ █ █ █ █ █ █▀ ▀ █ ▀ # █ ▀▀ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ ▀▀▀▄ # ██ ▀▄▄▀█ ▀▄▄ ▀▄▄ ▄▄█▄▄▀█▄▄▀ ▀▄▄▄▀ # # Visit https://ban.ai/multics/ to request a full user account # Guest print job output at https://ban.ai/spool/anonymous # Public anonymous login available. Type "enter Guest" to login # # # Multics MR12.6f: BAN AI Systems (Channel a.h001) # Load = 10.0 out of 300.0 units: users = 10, 04/20/18 1034.7 est Fri # enter Guest # You are protected from preemption until 10:35. # Anonymous user Guest.Guest logged in 04/20/18 1035.0 est Fri from # ASCII termin # \cal "none". # New messages in message_of_the_day: # # Welcome to the BAN AI Systems Public Access Multics Service! ... and so on, and so on ... (the '# ' comes from me, to make screen dump stand out from my own words) I have none prior experience with Multics, so it is going to be interesting. I guess. Source: AN.AI's Public Access Multics System https://lobste.rs/s/4ktahz/ban_ai_s_public_access_multics_system https://ban.ai/multics/ -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: RL Drive Terminators
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Apr 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Aaron Jackson via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> > > > > It's a bit disappointing to see them priced so highly. I don't think > > I've seen one even listed in the UK. So if you are trying to sell them I > > don't see why $100 or so wouldn't sell, at least eventually. I believe a > > company in the UK gave me a price of around £70 ex VAT. I didn't want to > > that much so I ended up building my own out of 2x40 perfboard, two pin > > 1x20 headers and a bunch of 82ohm resistors. > > > > http://aaronsplace.co.uk/private/pics/IMG_1249.JPG > > Nicely done. > > Clearly this is easy enough. The parts cost can't be more than a few > dollars; the priciest thing is likely to be the connector. > 90% of the price/premium you'll see in the vintage market is for 'knowing which parts to bodge together'. The parts themselves are rarely rare enough to command the price. Warner
Re: RL Drive Terminators
> On Apr 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Aaron Jackson via cctalk > wrote: > >> > > It's a bit disappointing to see them priced so highly. I don't think > I've seen one even listed in the UK. So if you are trying to sell them I > don't see why $100 or so wouldn't sell, at least eventually. I believe a > company in the UK gave me a price of around £70 ex VAT. I didn't want to > that much so I ended up building my own out of 2x40 perfboard, two pin > 1x20 headers and a bunch of 82ohm resistors. > > http://aaronsplace.co.uk/private/pics/IMG_1249.JPG Nicely done. Clearly this is easy enough. The parts cost can't be more than a few dollars; the priciest thing is likely to be the connector. paul
Re: To be scrapped in as little as 2 months
OK, thanks. It took less time than Google Map said it would; I am at the house now (taking a nap). alan > On Apr 20, 2018, at 3:41 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > > If you need to contact the person representing me his cell phone number is > 360 348 5922 again he will be at the banks house at 8 a.m. His name is > Charles Osborne > >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 8:39 AM Alan Perry via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> >> > On Apr 16, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> On 04/16/2018 10:54 AM, Alan Perry wrote: >> >> There are a few cross conversations going on here and in separate e-mail >> >> and maybe some confusion. >> >> >> >> On Friday, I am going to meet Pete to pick up the Suns and do some prep >> >> for later coming back to get the Alphas and the keypunch. I may also pick >> >> up Alphas, depending on my judgment on Fri whether I can transport them >> >> safely. >> >> >> >> There will be a second trip to pick up the keypunch and Alphas not picked >> >> up in the first trip. It is going to take at least two people to move and >> >> load the keypunch. I plan on using the first trip to evaluate whether two >> >> will be enough. Also, Pete says that stuff needs to be moved to access >> >> the Alphas and the keypunch. I intend to do some of that on the first >> >> trip. >> > >> > Might be interesting to know what stuff has to be moved. :-) >> >> Yeah, I was wondering about whether any of the stuff that needs to be moved >> is of interest. >> >> >> >> >> One complication is that the guy helping with the second trip is also >> >> intended in the Alphas. >> >> I intended to write ‘interested’ here. Thanks, autocorrect! >> >> > >> > No big deal. If you have a taker for the Alphas out there at least they >> > don't end up >> > in the skip. >> >> We can discuss this offline. >> >> > >> >> >> >> As far as getting one or more Alpha to Wellsboro ... it would be a race >> >> car team transporting the machine. I would make arrangements at the race >> >> in Portland this coming weekend, drop the equipment off with them at the >> >> next race in WA state and the equipment would be at the race after that >> >> in Wellsboro. But, at this time, I have not yet identified a team that >> >> would do it. They would want specifics on the Alphas that I don’t yet >> >> have. >> > >> > I can't wait to hear where the racetrack is ion Wellsboro cause I sure >> > can't see one >> > on Google Maps. Ours (Hamlin Speedway) is rather obvious in satellite >> > view. :-) >> >> We don’t race on tracks. It is called ‘stage rally’, the US version of the >> World Rally Championship. They race against the clock on closed, gravel >> roads. The cars are street-legal and, to get from one timed section to the >> next, they drive on open, public roads, obeying the rules of the road. On >> the timed sections, someone sits in the passenger seat calling out a >> detailed description of the next turns coming up to the driver. When I >> competed, I was one of those guys reading directions. >> >> The Wellsboro rally is called STPR (Susquehannock Trail Performance Rally). >> >> alan >> >> > >> > bill >> > >> >>
Re: RL Drive Terminators
> I see some company selling them on eBay for $122. Are they really worth > > anything like that? I have a couple sitting around here somewhere that I > > don't expect to ever use again. Just wondering if they are worth looking > > for to sell. In this hobby you can always use money for new (well, old > actually) > > toys. > > > bill It's a bit disappointing to see them priced so highly. I don't think I've seen one even listed in the UK. So if you are trying to sell them I don't see why $100 or so wouldn't sell, at least eventually. I believe a company in the UK gave me a price of around £70 ex VAT. I didn't want to that much so I ended up building my own out of 2x40 perfboard, two pin 1x20 headers and a bunch of 82ohm resistors. http://aaronsplace.co.uk/private/pics/IMG_1249.JPG Aaron
Re: RL Drive Terminators
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > I see some company selling them on eBay for $122. Are they really worth > anything like that? I would hope they sell for less, but if they can get buyers then that's the current price. It's not like there's an abundant source of NOS or anyone making them now. > I have a couple sitting around here somewhere that I > don't expect to ever use again. Just wondering if they are worth looking > for to sell. You can always list them and see if you get buyers. For me, for over $100, I'm inclined to make some new ones - I have a box of cable ends from a departed friend who used to make and repair DEC cables. I don't happen to have a reel of the right cable (12-pair plus drain, IIRC) and it's not cheap to buy (multiple dollars per foot, IIRC) so I'm not likely to turn the ends back into whole cables. I don't know where to get the right resistor pack from, but Vince Slyngstad has this project which would likely work quite well... http://svn.so-much-stuff.com/svn/trunk/Eagle/projects/DEC/RL0x/terminator/ -ethan
Re: RL Drive Terminators
>I see some company selling them on eBay for $122. Are they really worth >anything like that? I have a couple sitting around here somewhere that I Your best indication is to look at 'sold, completed'* listings which will show you what people are actually willing to pay rather than what a seller thinks the item is worth. (*assuming there ARE any for RL terminators of course) A -- adrian/witchy Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk On 20 April 2018 at 14:24, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > I see some company selling them on eBay for $122. Are they really worth > > anything like that? I have a couple sitting around here somewhere that I > > don't expect to ever use again. Just wondering if they are worth looking > > for to sell. In this hobby you can always use money for new (well, old > actually) > > toys. > > > bill > > >
Re: RL Drive Terminators
The standard answer is "they are worth what a buyer will pay for them". An asking price isn't a value -- it may just be wishful thinking, or delusion. It does seem like something that could be built for a lot less money. paul > On Apr 20, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > I see some company selling them on eBay for $122. Are they really worth > > anything like that? I have a couple sitting around here somewhere that I > > don't expect to ever use again. Just wondering if they are worth looking > > for to sell. In this hobby you can always use money for new (well, old > actually) > > toys. > > > bill > >
RL Drive Terminators
I see some company selling them on eBay for $122. Are they really worth anything like that? I have a couple sitting around here somewhere that I don't expect to ever use again. Just wondering if they are worth looking for to sell. In this hobby you can always use money for new (well, old actually) toys. bill
Manual wanted for the MFE M-700 Floppy-Disk-Drive
Hi to all! I'm looking for a technical manual/schematic for the Mayflower MFE M-700 8 inch Floppy-Disk-Drive. Regards Rolf
Re: Int 13h buffer 64k boundaries
> > I remember > going to the regional IBM sales office (was that on Arques? It's been > too lnng), purchase order in hand, wanting to pick up 10 of the 5150s. > Nobody really know what we were asking for--finally, someone showed up > and told us that the lead time would be 12 weeks ARO. We went down to > Computerland and bought out their stock that evening. > That reminds me of when I phoned IBM here in Ireland looking for software support for their VM mainframe operating system not too many years later, sometime in the early 1990s. I spelled out every variation of the name I could think of but they kept asking me what version of OS/2 I had. I guess by then the circle had turned again. Regards, Peter Coghlan.
Re: To be scrapped in as little as 2 months
If you need to contact the person representing me his cell phone number is 360 348 5922 again he will be at the banks house at 8 a.m. His name is Charles Osborne On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 8:39 AM Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Apr 16, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 04/16/2018 10:54 AM, Alan Perry wrote: > >> There are a few cross conversations going on here and in separate > e-mail and maybe some confusion. > >> > >> On Friday, I am going to meet Pete to pick up the Suns and do some prep > for later coming back to get the Alphas and the keypunch. I may also pick > up Alphas, depending on my judgment on Fri whether I can transport them > safely. > >> > >> There will be a second trip to pick up the keypunch and Alphas not > picked up in the first trip. It is going to take at least two people to > move and load the keypunch. I plan on using the first trip to evaluate > whether two will be enough. Also, Pete says that stuff needs to be moved to > access the Alphas and the keypunch. I intend to do some of that on the > first trip. > > > > Might be interesting to know what stuff has to be moved. :-) > > Yeah, I was wondering about whether any of the stuff that needs to be > moved is of interest. > > >> > >> One complication is that the guy helping with the second trip is also > intended in the Alphas. > > I intended to write ‘interested’ here. Thanks, autocorrect! > > > > > No big deal. If you have a taker for the Alphas out there at least they > > don't end up > > in the skip. > > We can discuss this offline. > > > > >> > >> As far as getting one or more Alpha to Wellsboro ... it would be a race > car team transporting the machine. I would make arrangements at the race in > Portland this coming weekend, drop the equipment off with them at the next > race in WA state and the equipment would be at the race after that in > Wellsboro. But, at this time, I have not yet identified a team that would > do it. They would want specifics on the Alphas that I don’t yet have. > > > > I can't wait to hear where the racetrack is ion Wellsboro cause I sure > > can't see one > > on Google Maps. Ours (Hamlin Speedway) is rather obvious in satellite > > view. :-) > > We don’t race on tracks. It is called ‘stage rally’, the US version of the > World Rally Championship. They race against the clock on closed, gravel > roads. The cars are street-legal and, to get from one timed section to the > next, they drive on open, public roads, obeying the rules of the road. On > the timed sections, someone sits in the passenger seat calling out a > detailed description of the next turns coming up to the driver. When I > competed, I was one of those guys reading directions. > > The Wellsboro rally is called STPR (Susquehannock Trail Performance Rally). > > alan > > > > > bill > > > > >
