Re: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd?

[Michael Thompson via cctalk]

>
> Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 21:01:59 -0400
> From: Michael Thompson 
> Subject: Re: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General
> ...odd? computer?
> The RICM has one, but it is not on the WWW site.
>
> Michael Thompson
>
>

I put a picture of the one at RICM here:
http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/Home/equipment/data-general-desktop-generation/DG_Desktop_Generation.jpg

Going from left to right: QIC tape drive, dual floppies, disk drive, card
expansion, CPU, and power supply. We have the monitor, keyboard, and
printer for it too.

Next time I am in the warehouse I will take pictures of the serial/model
number tags of everything.

-- 
Michael Thompson

Re: Original CAD code in the wild?

[Jay Jaeger via cctalk]

On 5/22/2018 5:18 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
> At 09:31 AM 5/22/2018, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
>> I still have an Intergraph IP2000 workstation (with software loaded),
>> install media (but not license keys to load it) and Intergraph disk
>> controllers, high speed concentrators (pre-Ethernet) and ethernet
>> controllers.
> 
> Did you get that from Nicolet or ETC?  I think I was once offered
> a workstation like that but I forget which Madison friend offered it.
> 
> - John
> 
> 

Neither.  Wisconsin DOT, Superior office (if I recall correctly), via
State of Wisconsin surplus.  Two huge screens along with, but I only
have one hooked up.  Haven't run it in years, though.

Re: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd? computer?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

Adrian ...  That is great to hear!   Any chance of a site photo?

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 Adrian Graham via cctalk  wrote:
I used to be site engineer at A Well Known British Newspaper printers, they
have those little DGs controlling part of the press process. This was back
in 2004, I was down there again last year to fix some old HP servers and
those little DGs are still going strong.

-- 
adrian/witchy
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection?
t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk

On 22 May 2018 at 12:17, Ed Sharpe via cctalk  wrote:

> how many sections to it? CHM has one too but one less section than
> ours... Ed# www.smecc.org
>
> In a message dated 5/22/2018 12:34:42 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
>
> >
> > Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 18:04:00 -0400
> > From: Ed Sharpe 
> > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> > Subject: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd?
> > computer?
> >
> > While? in the warehouse I ran across this strange modernistic? Data
> > General ...odd? computer?
> > I do not remember buying it!? ?Ed#
> > ?
> > ?
> > "https://www.smythretail.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/
> DG10_1-300x227.jpg
> > "
> >
> >
> The RICM has one, but it is not on the WWW site.
>
> Michael Thompson
>

SMECC Museum PROJECT needs to buy or trade for or beg for the HP hand Held (700 series? help?) that was phone and a computer.... the early ones and also the later Win CE ones.... also need ad materia

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

Sent SMECC Museum PROJECT needs to buy or trade for or beg for the HP hand Held 
(700 series? help?)  that was phone and a computer the early ones and also 
the later Win CE ones also need ad materials promo videos... anything 
related to spice display up... please drop note off list to us. thanks Ed#

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Re: Eudora email client source code released

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 05/22/2018 05:16 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:

Dang-nabbit.  Just a few weeks ago I decided I needed to move away from Eudora.
I uninstalled Office 2003 and bought a subscription to Office 365 and began
the search for a tool to move all my Eudora 7.1.0.9 email archives to Outlook 
PST.

They went to office 365 at work, it is absolutely awful.  I 
refuse to use their ghastly bloated web portal,
so I use Thunderbird on a Linux platform.  It is awfully 
slow. Sometimes it takes 5 minutes to download 3 messages 
when I start it up.


At home I use Thunderbird with standard Linux smtp and pop 
servers and it works fine.


Jon

Re: Original CAD code in the wild?

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

As I clean out if I run across the nine track mag tape of TekCADand
mechanical 2D CAD package you can have it. It is source code of 80 column
cards of Fortran IV.

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 4:37 PM Tomasz Rola via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 02:31:58AM +, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > www.cadhistory.net
> >
> > The Engineering Design Revolution
> > www.cadhistory.net
> > The Engineering Design Revolution. The People, Companies and
> > Computer Systems That Changed Forever the Practice of
> > Engineering. By. David E. Weisberg
>
> Looks interesting. Thanks a lot for bringing this up.
>
> > My question is, did any of the source code for these systems,
> > Applicon, Auto-Trol, Calma, ComputerVision, thousands of lines of
> > primarily FORTRAN ever make it out, where we could read and study
> > this original body of mathematical geometry done on computers?
>
> I suspect you already know, but just to be sure:
>
> "The BRL-CAD source code repository is the oldest known public
> version-controlled codebase in the world that's still under active
> development, dating back to 1983-12-16 00:10:31."
>
> [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD ]
>
> I could not verify this claim, because I could not load SourceForge
> page before my patience ran out (thank you, Javascript, I guess).
>
> --
> Regards,
> Tomasz Rola
>
> --
> ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
> ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
> ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
> ** **
> ** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
>
>

Re: Original CAD code in the wild?

[Tomasz Rola via cctalk]

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 02:31:58AM +, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> 
> www.cadhistory.net
> 
> The Engineering Design Revolution
> www.cadhistory.net
> The Engineering Design Revolution. The People, Companies and
> Computer Systems That Changed Forever the Practice of
> Engineering. By. David E. Weisberg

Looks interesting. Thanks a lot for bringing this up.

> My question is, did any of the source code for these systems,
> Applicon, Auto-Trol, Calma, ComputerVision, thousands of lines of
> primarily FORTRAN ever make it out, where we could read and study
> this original body of mathematical geometry done on computers?

I suspect you already know, but just to be sure:

"The BRL-CAD source code repository is the oldest known public
version-controlled codebase in the world that's still under active
development, dating back to 1983-12-16 00:10:31."

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD ]

I could not verify this claim, because I could not load SourceForge
page before my patience ran out (thank you, Javascript, I guess).

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **

Re: Original CAD code in the wild?

[John Foust via cctalk]

At 09:31 AM 5/22/2018, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
>I still have an Intergraph IP2000 workstation (with software loaded),
>install media (but not license keys to load it) and Intergraph disk
>controllers, high speed concentrators (pre-Ethernet) and ethernet
>controllers.

Did you get that from Nicolet or ETC?  I think I was once offered
a workstation like that but I forget which Madison friend offered it.

- John

Re: Eudora email client source code released

[John Foust via cctalk]

At 02:55 PM 5/22/2018, Len Shustek via cctalk wrote:
>For the last five years I've been working with Qualcomm and others to allow 
>the Computer History Museum to release the source code of what was, in my 
>opinion, the finest email client ever written: Eudora. It's finally done!
>http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/

Dang-nabbit.  Just a few weeks ago I decided I needed to move away from Eudora.
I uninstalled Office 2003 and bought a subscription to Office 365 and began 
the search for a tool to move all my Eudora 7.1.0.9 email archives to Outlook 
PST.  

I settled on https://weirdkid.com/emailchemy/ .  It failed until I cranked
its Java .vmoptions to 12 gig of RAM.  It's very slow...  as a single-threaded
Java app, it took at least two days for my i7 to crunch my 7 gigs of Eudora 
folders. The PST is about twice as large.  

Examining it in Outlook, it felt very slow compared to Eudora on the same 
machine.  Slow to search, slow to view.  Made me think I'd need to break up 
the PST into dozens of chunks.  I'm still using Eudora.

- John

Re: Eudora email client source code released

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 05/22/2018 01:55 PM, Len Shustek via cctalk wrote:
For the last five years I've been working with Qualcomm and others to 
allow the Computer History Museum to release the source code of what 
was, in my opinion, the finest email client ever written: Eudora. It's 
finally done!

http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/


Intriguing.

This will definitely be worth messing with.

I wonder if Thunderbird will end up with competition and / or borrowing 
ideas from Eudora.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Eudora email client source code released

[geneb via cctalk]

On Tue, 22 May 2018, Len Shustek via cctalk wrote:

For the last five years I've been working with Qualcomm and others to allow 
the Computer History Museum to release the source code of what was, in my 
opinion, the finest email client ever written: Eudora. It's finally done!

http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/



This is great!  Any idea if pre-built binaries will be availble as well?

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

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A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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Re: Eudora email client source code released

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On May 22, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Len Shustek via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> For the last five years I've been working with Qualcomm and others to allow 
> the Computer History Museum to release the source code of what was, in my 
> opinion, the finest email client ever written: Eudora. It's finally done!
> http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/
> 

Simply put, WOW!  

I dream of a new version of Eudora for the Mac, and I know that I’m not the 
only one.  Unfortunately I also realize that it would take significant effort 
to update it for current versions of MacOS.

I’m using Mail.app now, and it’s largely worthless at finding things in my 
email archives.

Zane

Re: Eudora email client source code released

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

I still use Eudora today...since 1995.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Len Shustek via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> For the last five years I've been working with Qualcomm and others to
> allow the Computer History Museum to release the source code of what was,
> in my opinion, the finest email client ever written: Eudora. It's finally
> done!
> http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/
>
>

Looking for a VALinux console adapter, for model 1000

[Bob Smith via cctalk]

Console Adapter

102267-00

VA 1000

THanks for any hints or leads!
i have one stashed and can't find it of course.
bb

Eudora email client source code released

[Len Shustek via cctalk]

For the last five years I've been working with Qualcomm and others to 
allow the Computer History Museum to release the source code of what 
was, in my opinion, the finest email client ever written: Eudora. 
It's finally done!

http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/

Extracting and viewing the original Mac bitmap fonts today

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

https://medium.com/@bzotto/hidden-sheep-and-mac-typography-archaeology-efce770da76c

Complete with easter eggs, source code and samples on Github.

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Re: HP 9000-236 (9836CU) video cable.

[Tony Duell via cctalk]

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Robert via cctalk
 wrote:
> My latest score is an HP 9836CU (so, color with a 68010 CPU and HP-UX
> support) with a 98625A disk interface. I got the matching monitor, but
> I didn't get the video cable.
>
> Googling turns up that it's a very proprietary interface, but I could
> find nothing about the cable. It's a 15 pin D-sub at each end and I'm
> hoping that it's just straight through, but have been unable to verify
> that.
>
> Does anybody know? Or Is there anybody that has a 9836C or CU and
> would be willing to examine the video cable, please?

The original cable has moulded connectors so I can't examine the
internal wiring.

It _is_ straight-through electrically, but there is a catch. There are 3
coaxial cables (and some plain wires) in there. The coaxial cables,
I guess 75 ohm characteristic impedance, carry the video signals.
They seem to be wired :

Red : centre to 12, shield to 13
Green : centre to 10, shield to 2
Blue : centre to 9, shield to 1.

The other pins are, as far as I know, plain wires. There is probably
an overall shield, grounded to pin 8

The pinout, AFAIK, is :
1 : Blue shield
2 : Green shield
3 : ground
4 : ground
5: N/C
6 : ground
7 : +12V (computer to monitor, to cause the latter to turn on)
8 : ground (overall shield?)

9 : Blue
10 : Green
11 : HSync
12 : Red
13 : Red shield
14 : VBlank
15 : VSync

Syncs and blanking are TTL levels, the video signal are current
(not voltage) levels, sourced by the monitor and sunk by the
computer.

-tony

HP 9000-236 (9836CU) video cable.

[Robert via cctalk]

My latest score is an HP 9836CU (so, color with a 68010 CPU and HP-UX
support) with a 98625A disk interface. I got the matching monitor, but
I didn't get the video cable.

Googling turns up that it's a very proprietary interface, but I could
find nothing about the cable. It's a 15 pin D-sub at each end and I'm
hoping that it's just straight through, but have been unable to verify
that.

Does anybody know? Or Is there anybody that has a 9836C or CU and
would be willing to examine the video cable, please?

Thanks
Robert

Re: I ran across this strange modernistic Data General ...odd computer

[Bruce Ray via cctalk]

G'day Zane -

Like every other computer system created, the Desktop Generation has its 
own set of quirks and wonders.  It was an interesting evolutionary 
repackage of the microEclipse processor, but I never saw a customer or 
user site actually using the Model 10's MS-DOS "compatibility feature".


The hardware consisted of modular metal frame chassis with snap-on 
plastic covers. While great for manufacturing and cost control, the 
delicate plastic cover retaining tabs were always breaking and the 
covers would pull away from the chassis or just fall off.  Only an 
annoying cosmetic problem until you find that  a "dead man's switch" 
interlock was maintained by the power supply chassis front cover.  Yes, 
the power supply would always be cut off whenever the plastic cover 
shifted, vibrated or fell off the chassis.  Which happened often.  (The 
cheapest solution was the  unintended, creative use of a ball point pen 
combined with nerd engineering.)


Many OEMS delivered DG/RDOS- or AOS-based applications written in ICOBOL 
or Business BASIC (i.e. NAPA).  These were good systems for OEMs who had 
previously developed software for DG - providing their application was 
not disk-bound.  DG eventually was forced to design and sell a parallel 
I/O bus option to help improve disk performance... to the confusion of 
customers previously told of the benefits of a serial I/O bus design.


The system was followed by the DG/500, which had a similar hardware 
functional microEclipse-based design but enclosed in a then-familiar IBM 
PC AT (desktop) form factor.  This was the final unsuccessful attempt to 
defend the low-end 16-bit Eclipse line from the PC onslaught.



-

Bruce Ray
Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc.
Boulder, Colorado USA
b...@wildharecomputers.com

...preserving the Data General legacy: www.NovasAreForever.org

Re: Original CAD code in the wild?

[Jay Jaeger via cctalk]

On 5/20/2018 9:31 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
> For a while I have collected bits of legacy CAD, most recently Martin 
> Hepperle sent me what I believe is the last version of Hank Christianson's 
> MOVIE.BYU, a FORTRAN based 3D modeling and animation system.
> 
> I also have experimented with the original Berkley SPICE, also written in 
> FORTRAN.
> 
> 
> This weekend, I am reading "the Engineering Design Revolution", a 650 page 
> history of the CAD industry by David Weisberg, who was there and worked for 
> many of the companies in the beginning of the industry, I highly recommend 
> this for anyone interested in CAD:
> 
> 
> www.cadhistory.net
> 
> The Engineering Design Revolution
> www.cadhistory.net
> The Engineering Design Revolution. The People, Companies and Computer Systems 
> That Changed Forever the Practice of Engineering. By. David E. Weisberg
> 
> 
> 
> My question is, did any of the source code for these systems, Applicon, 
> Auto-Trol, Calma, ComputerVision, thousands of lines of primarily FORTRAN 
> ever make it out, where we could read and study this original body of 
> mathematical geometry done on computers?
> 
> 
> I know we are primarily a hardware group here, but where is the interest in 
> the software discussed?
> 
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
> 

You can add Intergraph to that list, as well (their IGDS CAD software is
 survived bw www.bentley.com - a company that produced a PC version of
Intergraph's IGDS, and which almost got sued out of existence, forced to
merge, and then finally separated and survived).  [The Wiki on
MicroStation indicates that MicroStation was initially sold by
Intergraph.  That is not correct: it was initially a completely separate
company, and sold the software directly].  Intergraph itself is nothing
but a shell.

I still have an Intergraph IP2000 workstation (with software loaded),
install media (but not license keys to load it) and Intergraph disk
controllers, high speed concentrators (pre-Ethernet) and ethernet
controllers.

No source code, though.

JRJ

Re: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd? computer?

[Adrian Graham via cctalk]

I used to be site engineer at A Well Known British Newspaper printers, they
have those little DGs controlling part of the press process. This was back
in 2004, I was down there again last year to fix some old HP servers and
those little DGs are still going strong.

-- 
adrian/witchy
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection?
t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk

On 22 May 2018 at 12:17, Ed Sharpe via cctalk  wrote:

> how many sections to it?   CHM  has one  too but one less section than
> ours... Ed# www.smecc.org
>
> In a message dated 5/22/2018 12:34:42 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
>
> >
> > Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 18:04:00 -0400
> > From: Ed Sharpe 
> > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> > Subject: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd?
> > computer?
> >
> > While? in the warehouse I ran across this strange modernistic? Data
> > General ...odd? computer?
> > I do not remember buying it!? ?Ed#
> > ?
> > ?
> > "https://www.smythretail.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/
> DG10_1-300x227.jpg
> > "
> >
> >
> The RICM has one, but it is not on the WWW site.
>
> Michael Thompson
>

Re: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd? computer?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

how many sections to it?   CHM  has one  too but one less section than ours... 
Ed# www.smecc.org 
 
In a message dated 5/22/2018 12:34:42 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 18:04:00 -0400
> From: Ed Sharpe 
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd?
> computer?
>
> While? in the warehouse I ran across this strange modernistic? Data
> General ...odd? computer?
> I do not remember buying it!? ?Ed#
> ?
> ?
> "https://www.smythretail.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DG10_1-300x227.jpg
> "
>
>
The RICM has one, but it is not on the WWW site.

Michael Thompson

Re: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd? computer?

[Michael Thompson via cctalk]

>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 18:04:00 -0400
> From: Ed Sharpe 
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: I ran across this strange modernistic? Data General ...odd?
> computer?
>
> While? in the warehouse I ran across this strange modernistic? Data
> General ...odd? computer?
>  I do not remember buying it!? ?Ed#
> ?
> ?
> "https://www.smythretail.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DG10_1-300x227.jpg
> "
>
>
The RICM has one, but it is not on the WWW site.

Michael Thompson