Re: What is this?
That sounds about right. I didn't immediately recognise it as such since the modules for my 3174 are a different style. But yes - that is likely correct. Here's a listing for one on eBay to compare against. https://www.ebay.com/itm/141671996971 From: Patrick Finnegan via cctalk Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 09:52 To: Paul Koning; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: What is this? It looks like a memory module out of an IBM 3174 Establishment Controller. Patrick Finnegan On Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 10:48 Paul Koning via cctalk > > > On Nov 23, 2018, at 6:13 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:49, Donald via cctalk > wrote: > >> > >> Don't think it is IBM. Apparently high temp ICs due to the heat sink > >> housing. No idea what it is. > >> > >> http://www.myimagecollection/part > > > > No idea, because that's not a valid URL -- it has no TLD -- and you > > can't send attachments to the list. > > Stick a .com in there and it works. > > I don't think it's anything high temperature; the ICs look like plain > plastic cased commercial temperature range parts. Why they are packaged > like that is a puzzle. > > paul > > >
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:44:23PM +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote: [...] > Just my wet phantasies about how such things work or might work. It > only requires one lousy admin to make it true, or a good one fired and > never to be heard from again. > > Perhaps asking your ISP could give you some clues. Perhaps this is > even more horrific (micro black holes? aliens tuning in?) and wetter > than my wettest dreams. The huge problem with wet phantasies is that they take over and distract the dreamer. The first thing I should have asked: is this problem limited only to mails from cctalk? If yes, then the most probably culprit would be list's server. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Hitachi at 1964 Worlds Fair - Was Re: 1968 Hitachi HIDIC 100 Mini Computer
On 11/23/18 10:45 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Sales Brochure scanned https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=587 Bill One of my earliest computer "game" memories, was at the Hitachi exhibit from the 1964 New York Worlds Fair. I remember a small single capsule that had a CRT display that gave a simulation of a rocket launch. The display showed a single point and the axis on either side were labeled, probably altitude and speed. I dimly recall the controls as simple buttons. I've only found a few bits of documentation on the web - http://nywf64.com/japan10.shtml where it is listed as an Analog Computer and Capcel. When I went back in 1965, the capsule was still there, but non-functional. If anyone has info or recollections about the exhibit I'd be interested and appreciative of in anything you might be willing to share. Jerry
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 08:56:09AM +1100, Guy Dunphy wrote: > Resend, just in case that screen-cap image attachment fails. It is also here: > http://everist.org/6F2a/cctalk_rcvd.png > > >Will require > >some way to compare mailboxes in search of pattern in missing > >emails... Which may or may not be obvious... which will lead to more > >puzzles... oy maybe I should have stayed muted and let others do the > >job... > > Here's one check. See attached screen-cap of cctalk emails. Usually many per > day, but only one per day on the 15th & 16th Nov, none at all on the 17th. > Did the list actually go silent then? It's possible by random ebb and flow, > or maybe everyone was in shock over the awful Paradise fire death toll. > Which may be over 1000, unless a lot of people listed as missing do turn up. Ok, here is a c-pasted fragment from my mutt's index view, limited to messages from cctalk & cctech (which hopefully shows what I expect). The first column is message number in my mailbox, they are not consecutive because in between I got messages from other mailing lists and spammers): 3091 O Nov 13 Jon Elson via c ( 10) Re: Font for DEC indicator panels 3092 Nov 13 systems_glitch ( 60) Re: Looking for optical grid mouse pad 3106 O Nov 13 Jason Howe via ( 22) Re: Swap clarification (Was: bill was my 3166 O Nov 14 systems_glitch ( 40) Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440) 3173 O Nov 14 Bill Degnan via ( 48) Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440) 3192 O Nov 14 Ethan Dicks via ( 28) Re: TU58 tape formatter (was Re: rebuildi 3196 O Nov 14 William Sudbrin ( 15) RE: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440) 3208 O Nov 14 Eric Smith via ( 17) Re: TU58 tape formatter (was Re: rebuildi 3216 O Nov 14 allison via cct ( 70) Re: TU58 tape formatter (was Re: rebuildi 3227 Nov 14 ED SHARPE via c ( 5) The fundamental building block of modern 3229 O Nov 14 Ethan Dicks via ( 17) Re: TU58 tape formatter (was Re: rebuildi 3277 Nov 14 Kevin Bowling v ( 10) HP 88780B density 3388 O Nov 15 Noel Chiappa vi ( 19) Re: Font for DEC indicator panels 3473 O Nov 16 Andrew Luke Nes ( 75) Re: early ANSI C drafts, pre-1989 standar 3816 O Nov 18 Toby Thain via ( 39) Re: Font for DEC indicator panels 3835 O Nov 18 Jerome H. Fine ( 137) Re: RT-11 DY install 3845 O Nov 18 Michael Brutman ( 40) VCF PNW 2019: Exhibitors needed! 3887 O Nov 19 Patrick Finnega ( 6) IBM 3270 Emulation Adapter (ISA) 3889 O Nov 18 jim stephens vi ( 26) Re: IBM 3270 Emulation Adapter (ISA) 3940 O Nov 19 Jim Brain via c ( 10) IND 3944 O Nov 19 Al Kossow via c ( 20) Re: IBM 3270 Emulation Adapter (ISA) 3953 Nov 19 dwight via ccta ( 9) What is windoes doing? 3954 Nov 19 Ethan via cctal ( 11) Re: What is windoes doing? 3965 Nov 19 geneb via cctal ( 27) Re: What is windoes doing? 3989 Nov 19 Bill Degnan via ( 40) Re: What is windoes doing? 3997 Nov 19 Alan Perry via ( 25) Removing PVA from a CRT 3999 Nov 19 Peter Coghlan v ( 17) Re: What is windoes doing? 4041 Nov 19 Alan Perry via ( 50) Re: Removing PVA from a CRT 4046 O Nov 19 jim stephens vi ( 38) Re: IND 4052 Nov 19 Sean Conner via ( 19) IEFBR14 (was Re: IND) 4053 O Nov 19 Sven Schnelle v ( 17) Re: HP-Apollo 9000/425t RAM 4054 O Nov 19 Dennis Boone vi ( 14) Re: IND 4066 Nov 19 dwight via ccta ( 25) Re: What is windoes doing? 4071 O Nov 19 dwight via ccta ( 45) Re: What is windoes doing? 4083 O Nov 19 Al Kossow via c ( 12) Battery warning in Falco terminals 4088 O Nov 19 Al Kossow via c ( 16) Re: Battery warning in Falco terminals 4095 O Nov 19 Eric Smith via ( 15) Re: IEFBR14 (was Re: IND) 4100 Nov 19 Alan Perry via ( 32) Re: Removing PVA from a CRT 4102 Nov 19 Alan Perry via ( 83) Re: Removing PVA from a CRT 4103 O Nov 19 ben via cctalk ( 19) Re: IEFBR14 (was Re: IND) 4113 O Nov 19 Douglas Taylor ( 11) Missing FORRTL 4118 O Nov 19 Jon Elson via c ( 10) Re: IND 4122 O Nov 19 Kevin McQuiggin ( 16) Re: IND A quick comparison by eye, you seem to miss for example msg no 3277 and 4083: no 3277: -- From: Kevin Bowling via cctalk -- To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" -- Subject: HP 88780B density I have a dual density 88780B. Is it possible to upgrade to quad density by acquiring/swapping boards? Or does someone have an 800bpi 9-track on SCSI Incan borrow or buy? I have a pair of 1984 pdp11/70 UNIX SysV (R0, R1?) tapes that need to be archived. Regards, Kevin and no 4083: -- From: Al Kossow via cctalk -- To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" -- Subject: Battery warning in Falco terminals I've been helping the MAME guys simulate a TS-2624, which is a block mode HP emulating terminal. I had bought this a while ago, and never dumped the firmware. Unfortunately there is a large NiCd battery right in the middle of the board that leaked all over. I've taken some pictures which are up under falco on
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
Resend, just in case that screen-cap image attachment fails. It is also here: http://everist.org/6F2a/cctalk_rcvd.png >Will require >some way to compare mailboxes in search of pattern in missing >emails... Which may or may not be obvious... which will lead to more >puzzles... oy maybe I should have stayed muted and let others do the >job... Here's one check. See attached screen-cap of cctalk emails. Usually many per day, but only one per day on the 15th & 16th Nov, none at all on the 17th. Did the list actually go silent then? It's possible by random ebb and flow, or maybe everyone was in shock over the awful Paradise fire death toll. Which may be over 1000, unless a lot of people listed as missing do turn up. Guy
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
At 06:54 PM 23/11/2018 +0100, you wrote: >On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:55:18AM +1100, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: >[...] >> >> I see them because I'm using an old email client - Eudora 3 (1997.) >> I stick with this specifically _because_ it doesn't understand UTF-8 >> or any other non-ASCII coding, especially in the header, and hence >> simply ignores any executables in the headers or email body. Which >> makes it totally virus proof, unlike Microsoft's intentionally > >Totally say totally. Except it turns out some feel that rejecting UTF-8 is culturally insensitive. I agree they have a point. But for my practical purposes, all the 'UTF-8 in header' messages that end up in my trash folder are all, always, spam. I do check. (And now someone's going to start posting cctalk messages with UTF-8 in Subject, just watch.) >> open-backdoor junk like Outlook. And most other email 'modern >> wonders.' Eudora barely even understands html in emails, and I'm >> fine with that. Also I have it configured to dust-bin any incomimg >> mail containing UTF-8 chars in the Subject header. Avoids a lot of >> time-wasting. >[...] >> >> But first, I'm having a problem with some portion of cctalk posts >> going missing, ie I don't receive all messages. The ratio seems to >> vary day to day. Sometimes no obvious missing, sometimes a lot. >> Still don't know why, or how to fix this. Any suggestions? > >Turn off trashing mails with Unicode in Subject and see if this solves >a problem? Ha, I knew someone would say that. But no, I do check the email trash bin regularly (before emptying it) and so far no cctalk or cctech emails are being diverted to there. My filter for them runs before the UTF-filter (last.) I'm guessing it's an overly picky spam filter somewhere in the network routes into Australia. Guy
Re: 1968 Hitachi HIDIC 100 Mini Computer
On 23/11/2018 19:03, Jason T via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM Bill Degnan wrote: I did, link at bottom Got it. OCR'd and posted here: http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/index.php?dir=%2Fcomputing/Hitachi The text on the title page goog-lates to "Thunder calculator for eye control", which is certainly clear to me... j 日立 = Hitachi 制御 - control 用 - use 電子 - electronic (the OCR seems to have picked the wrong kanji here, either that or I have :-)) 計算機 - calculator/computer So a Hitachi computer that provides/implements electronic control. I love google translate sometimes :-) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: 1968 Hitachi HIDIC 100 Mini Computer
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM Bill Degnan wrote: > > I did, link at bottom Got it. OCR'd and posted here: http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/index.php?dir=%2Fcomputing/Hitachi The text on the title page goog-lates to "Thunder calculator for eye control", which is certainly clear to me... j
Re: 1968 Hitachi HIDIC 100 Mini Computer
I did, link at bottom On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:27 PM Jason T via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 10:46 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Sales Brochure scanned > > https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=587 > > Please do scan the whole thing when you are able. I can OCR the > Japanese text (or Acrobat can, at least...I'll have no idea what it > says :) > > j >
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 07:01:17PM +0100, Liam Proven wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 18:54, Tomasz Rola via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Turn off trashing mails with Unicode in Subject and see if this solves > > a problem? > > *Loud laughter in the office* > > Well _played_, sir! Well, that was low hanging fruit. But if he indeed turns it off and the problem is not gone, that will be a bit of puzzle. Will require some way to compare mailboxes in search of pattern in missing emails... Which may or may not be obvious... which will lead to more puzzles... oy maybe I should have stayed muted and let others do the job... -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: 1968 Hitachi HIDIC 100 Mini Computer
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 10:46 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > Sales Brochure scanned > https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=587 Please do scan the whole thing when you are able. I can OCR the Japanese text (or Acrobat can, at least...I'll have no idea what it says :) j
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 18:54, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > > Turn off trashing mails with Unicode in Subject and see if this solves > a problem? *Loud laughter in the office* Well _played_, sir! -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:55:18AM +1100, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: [...] > > I see them because I'm using an old email client - Eudora 3 (1997.) > I stick with this specifically _because_ it doesn't understand UTF-8 > or any other non-ASCII coding, especially in the header, and hence > simply ignores any executables in the headers or email body. Which > makes it totally virus proof, unlike Microsoft's intentionally Totally say totally. > open-backdoor junk like Outlook. And most other email 'modern > wonders.' Eudora barely even understands html in emails, and I'm > fine with that. Also I have it configured to dust-bin any incomimg > mail containing UTF-8 chars in the Subject header. Avoids a lot of > time-wasting. [...] > > But first, I'm having a problem with some portion of cctalk posts > going missing, ie I don't receive all messages. The ratio seems to > vary day to day. Sometimes no obvious missing, sometimes a lot. > Still don't know why, or how to fix this. Any suggestions? Turn off trashing mails with Unicode in Subject and see if this solves a problem? -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: George Keremedjiev
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 07:20:25PM -0500, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > wrong not everybody sees it this is the only list serve problems... > I suppose modern email programs either do not see or know what to do > with the characters... please consider using the delete key and not > reading things frI'm me if it bothers,you > thanks ed# > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail To me, the problem is not with your emails (or anybody else's from this list), but the slow invasion performed by offending software. Since you pressed space once, it should be entered as single space, 0x20 in ASCII. If you pressed space twice, it should be entered into email written by you as two 0x20 bytes, and this is what should show on my side. My software receives some extra stuff from you, but not in a consistent manner, i.e. some ASCII spaces are prepended with extra two bytes and some not. I was not conscious about it - thought you had some peculiar space pressing manner or text postprocessor (like fmt) made double spaces in order to fit your lines into 130-characters width (because your lines were not folded at 79 or anywhere close). (In other words, it looks like everybody gets those extra bytes, only some programs choose to not show them, which - for me - is another problem and should be examined in due time). If what you press and what is being sent out to your recipients differs, then this is a problem, with potential security implications (as I learn with some horror, just anything in modern computer can turn against the owner, if he could be called owner at all). A software that mangles your input is not a friend. It should be terminated. Just MHO. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
1968 Hitachi HIDIC 100 Mini Computer
Sales Brochure scanned https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=587 Bill
Re: George Keremedjiev
These ? characters often show up for users like me who read via the e-mailed digests. Kevin Anderson
Re: What is this?
It looks like a memory module out of an IBM 3174 Establishment Controller. Patrick Finnegan On Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 10:48 Paul Koning via cctalk > > > On Nov 23, 2018, at 6:13 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:49, Donald via cctalk > wrote: > >> > >> Don't think it is IBM. Apparently high temp ICs due to the heat sink > >> housing. No idea what it is. > >> > >> http://www.myimagecollection/part > > > > No idea, because that's not a valid URL -- it has no TLD -- and you > > can't send attachments to the list. > > Stick a .com in there and it works. > > I don't think it's anything high temperature; the ICs look like plain > plastic cased commercial temperature range parts. Why they are packaged > like that is a puzzle. > > paul > > >
Re: What is this?
> On Nov 23, 2018, at 6:13 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:49, Donald via cctalk wrote: >> >> Don't think it is IBM. Apparently high temp ICs due to the heat sink >> housing. No idea what it is. >> >> http://www.myimagecollection/part > > No idea, because that's not a valid URL -- it has no TLD -- and you > can't send attachments to the list. Stick a .com in there and it works. I don't think it's anything high temperature; the ICs look like plain plastic cased commercial temperature range parts. Why they are packaged like that is a puzzle. paul
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:12:32PM +0100, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:55, Guy Dunphy via cctalk > wrote: [...] >> Also I have it configured to dust-bin any incomimg mail containing UTF-8 >> chars in the Subject header. Avoids a lot of time-wasting. > That's English-language cultural snobbery. I'm a native Anglophone but I live > in a non-English speaking country, Czechia. Worse than that, it's *American* ignorance and cultural snobbery which also affects various English-speaking countries. The pound sign is not in US-ASCII, and the euro sign is not in ISO-8859-1, for example. Amusingly, peering through my inbox in which I have mail in both Dutch and English, the only one with a UTF-8 subject line is in English. It was probably composed on a Windows box which "helpfully" turned a hyphen into an en-dash.
Re: What is this?
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:49, Donald via cctalk wrote: > > Don't think it is IBM. Apparently high temp ICs due to the heat sink > housing. No idea what it is. > > http://www.myimagecollection/part No idea, because that's not a valid URL -- it has no TLD -- and you can't send attachments to the list. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:55, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > Also I have it configured to > dust-bin any incomimg mail containing UTF-8 chars in the Subject header. > Avoids a lot of time-wasting. That's English-language cultural snobbery. I'm a native Anglophone but I live in a non-English speaking country, Czechia. For example, right now, I am in my office in Křižíkova. I can't type that name correctly without Unicode characters, because the ANSI character set doesn't contain enough letters for Czech. It can cope with some Western European letters needed for Spanish, French etc., but not even enough for the Norwegian letter ``ø''. So I can type the name of the district of Prague I'm in -- Karlín -- and you'll probably see that, but the street name, I am guessing not. "Krizikova" is usually close enough but it's not correct. Those letters are important. E.g. "sýrové" means cheesy, but "syrové" means raw. That's a significant difference. It matters to me and I'm not even Czech and don't speak it particularly well... So if you tried to mail me something at work -- the address I normally use, for instance for the Alphasmart Dana Wireless on the way to to me from Baltimore right now -- and you get a reply saying "package for [streetname] undeliverable" in the subject -- you'd just reject it. That's basically discriminating against people who don't speak your language, and in my book, that's not OK. > Takeaway: Ed, one space is enough. Look, we haven't even been able to get him to quote correctly, so I suspect changing his typing habits is right out! -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: George Keremedjiev
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018, Robert Feldman wrote: BTW, we went through this about 6 months ago. Someone pointed out the strange characters in Ed's posts. No change resulted from that, however, and I doubt this thread will cause any change. Yup, Ed is resistant to any form of advice. He could just install a real mail client on his mobile phone instead of using the crappy AOL client. ;-) Christian
