date:20181219

>No, the CCIV initially had a plain-jane Intel rev 0 82077AA in a 68 pin
>PLCC.  After Intel "improved" the chip to the 82077AA-1, FM ceased to
>work.  Fortunately, as I mentioned NSC 8477 is a plug-in replacement,
>with the exception of not needing an extra external cap (the pin is NC
>on the National chip).

Chuck,

I read through the thread at VCF and see that the 8473 is not drop-in swappable 
with the 8477. One more question on the 8477 do you know if there is a 
significant difference between the 8477AV and the 8477BV revision? Thanks.

-Ali

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk

Just fixed a 66 Ampeg SB-13 guitar amp, the tubes are not cheap

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 5:26 PM Al Kossow via cctech 
>
> On 12/19/18 12:17 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
> > You'll get my vacuum tubes when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
>
> sure thing,
> let me know when you croak
>
> 12AX7's are going for stupid money now
>
>
>
>

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk

> Just fixed a 66 Ampeg SB-13 guitar amp, the tubes are not cheap

Hmmm...if only we knew a guy on this list that deals in tubes...

--
Will

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 7:32 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
>>  I don't know how functional their solutions are and I've never had any
>> of
>> their products nor I have anything to do with them, but I've had this
>> link:  in my bookmarks just in case since
>> 2005.
>> I guess if they have been in that business for so long now, they must
>> have
>> been doing things right.
> 
> I can tell you for a fact that they do NOT support DMA so a non-starter for
> many things.

ISA is a bit more complex to emulate as it might at first appear.  Real
ISA supports I/O port addressing, memory addressing, DMA and interrupts.

The last chipset that I'm aware of that directly supported real ISA was
the Intel 440BX family (440Bx, GX and ZX).   Later chipsets use a
"bridge chip" that introduces incompatibilieis.

--Chuck

Re: NSC 8477 Was: New takes on XT-IDE, a new FDC, and a new CM/S GAL

On 12/19/18 5:38 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
>> Micro Solutions initially shipped the CompatiCard IV with the Intel
>> chip--and it worked well.  Intel then revised the chip as the 82077AA-1
>> to add tape support and broke the FM capability.  When I inquired about
>> this to Intel, I got the response "Who uses FM anymore?".   Micro
>> Solutions sent a bunch of retrofit kits with NSC chips in them to a
>> small bunch of CC IV purchasers after they discovered the problem.
>> Fortunately, the 8477 is pin-compatible with the 82077.
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> Are you saying that CCIV initially had an NSC 8477 or an 8473? Or that it had 
> an Intel chip and when Intel came out with a new revision they went to an NSC 
> chip? Also are all CCIVs retrofitable? i.e. can I order an NSC chip and plop 
> it into my CCIV to get FM back? Finally can you drop in an NSC 8473 in a CCIV 
> to get 128-byte MFM or the best you can do is switch to a NSC 8477? TIA!

No, the CCIV initially had a plain-jane Intel rev 0 82077AA in a 68 pin
PLCC.  After Intel "improved" the chip to the 82077AA-1, FM ceased to
work.  Fortunately, as I mentioned NSC 8477 is a plug-in replacement,
with the exception of not needing an extra external cap (the pin is NC
on the National chip).

--Chuck

Re: OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-19 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk

There’s a lot to be said for the Navy manuals because we (22 years in my
case), as all of the branches of the military and, increasingly, industry,
have had to educate our enlisted people in STEM principles, concepts,
practices, and skills.  That’s because the K-12 “education” system has
largely punted on doing this because it’s largely run by people with
humanities degrees and teaching experience.  Kids are more likely to be
asked how something feels about being oppressed by gravity and jackbooted
thugs that walk on them, rather than calculating the force of gravitational
attraction, per g*M1*M2/(r^2).

I know this because, following my Navy and SillyCon Valley careers, I’ve
been teaching 6 - 12 grade STEM and Computing in multiple districts in four
states and have been continually battling to get equitable funding and
administrator/board support everywhere, all the time.  One school district
thought nothing about spending three million dollars for an AstroTurf
football field with a state-of-the-art scoreboard and stadium bleachers,
but my annual budget was a whole $200 for equipment, materials, books,
software, etc.

STEM textbooks were upwards of 12 years old - the periodic tables in
chemistry books didn’t contain the 10 most recently fabricated elements
(atomic numbers 109 - 118).  The Earth and Space Science books had nothing
more recent about planetary probes/landers/rovers since the Voyagers were
launched in 1977 (which I witnessed).  On-line/optical-digital companion
material didn’t exist for any of the STEM textbooks at any price.

I could have taught at universities and colleges, but I discovered that
none of the students were from the local region because they just didn’t
have strong enough STEM academic performance to be able to succeed at the
post-secondary level.  I suspect that the administrators of these
institutions were also swayed by foreign students whose authoritarian
governments are more than happy to pay full freight in tuition, etc.,
because it’s not their money, anyway.  The result is that tuitions, fees,
etc., are rising even faster than they had been due to loan guarantees,
grants, and scholarships.

I’m doing as much as I can as a lone voice in the wilderness.  The
humanities types are complaining that my incessant howling is oppressing
the snail darters, though ...

RE: More old stuff incoming

>  I don't know how functional their solutions are and I've never had any
> of
> their products nor I have anything to do with them, but I've had this
> link:  in my bookmarks just in case since
> 2005.
> I guess if they have been in that business for so long now, they must
> have
> been doing things right.

I can tell you for a fact that they do NOT support DMA so a non-starter for
many things.

Re: DG Nova 4 for pickup on Lon Gisland

2018-12-19 Thread Bruce Ray via cctalk

Conner and Jay -

I will contact you off-list in the next few days regarding software 
license and docs...

Bruce Ray
Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc.
Boulder, Colorado USA
b...@wildharecomputers.com

...preserving the Data General legacy: www.NovasAreForever.org

On 12/18/2018 8:16 AM, Connor Krukosky via cctalk wrote:
Well I ended up picking up this machine. Its a bit beaten in some 
places, cleaner than expected in others.
Overall it cleaned up pretty well and all power-supplies appear to work 
well!
Got it up to DG's "ODT" can't remember what they called it. Ram looks 
good at the beginning of the address space anyway.
This has a "JR. CPU" board in, a Cassette I/O board which I believe only 
has an extra UART on it, none of the cassette interface as its pretty 
sparse. And the 8" Disk controller board (6030 controller). Overall a 
pretty small machine. Looks like it used two serial ports, one at 9600 
baud for the primary console, then the other at 300 baud. Probably a 
teletype off to the side.

Seems to be a 1981 machine.
Unfortunately I got no docs or media with this machine. And it appears 
all that is up on bitsavers are tape images?

Anyone have any disk images for the 6030 drive of anything like RDOS?
Photos:
https://imgur.com/a/A0hZEVf

-Connor K

On 12/12/18 3:37 PM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk wrote:

And I assume the Fortran IV compiler could run on this system.

On 12/12/18, 9:11 PM, "cctalk on behalf of William Donzelli via 
cctalk" cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

 While this is an absurdly small Data General Nova system for the era
 (at least it is not a microNova), you would run RDOS - not unlike a
 dual 8 inch floppy Z80 system of the day.
 --
 Will
 On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 2:27 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk
  wrote:
 >
 > How does a person program this computer? I assume there's no C 
compiler.

 >
 > Would one have to boot to a DOS, then load a compiler into RAM, 
then read

 > program text into ram, them compile?
 >
 > I have less-than-zero experience with DG systems, but a 
higher-than-zero

 > adoration for their design/pedigree.
 >
 > =]
 > --
 > Anders Nelson
 >
 > +1 (517) 775-6129
 >
 > www.erogear.com
 >
 >
 > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 2:21 PM Jacob Ritorto via cctalk <
 > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
 >
 > > Shoot, was asking my wife if I could have it for Christmas to 
replace my

 > > regular desk in the family room :)
 > > But to keep the decor of our home a little more sane, I'll 
abstain from

 > > bidding and wish you best of luck instead!
 > >
 > > happy holidays and good luck!
 > > --jake
 > >
 > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 1:28 PM Connor Krukosky via cctalk <
 > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
 > >
 > > > Alright, I think I will go for it. I am not too far from it 
being in

 > > > Poughkeepsie.
 > > > Always loved the desk machines, and I personally have 
another kinda
 > > > parts Nova 4 that hopefully I can use to switch parts 
between to get one

 > > > really nice machine :)
 > > >
 > > > -Connor K
 > > >
 > > > On 2018-12-11 13:04, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
 > > > > I had one of those quite a few years ago. The desk comes 
apart fairly

 > > > > easily. The main unit is just a standard shorty 19" rack.
 > > > >
 > > > > --
 > > > > Will
 > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:34 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk
 > > > >  wrote:
 > > > >>
 > > > >> I'm about an hour drive away and somewhat interested, 
but I don't have

 > > > >> space for the desk unfortunately.
 > > > >>
 > > > >> --
 > > > >> Anders Nelson
 > > > >>
 > > > >> +1 (517) 775-6129
 > > > >>
 > > > >> www.erogear.com
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:33 PM Tony Aiuto 

 > > > >> wrote:
 > > > >>
 > > > >> > It is close enough to me to rescue, but I really don't 
have the

 > > space
 > > > to
 > > > >> > store it.
 > > > >> > Will anyone take it if I hold it a while?
 > > > >> >
 > > > >> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Anders Nelson via 
cctalk <

 > > > >> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
 > > > >> >
 > > > >> >> Would this system fit in a standard 19" wide 
equipment rack?

 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> =]
 > > > >> >> --
 > > > >> >> Anders Nelson
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> +1 (517) 775-6129
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> www.erogear.com
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
 > > > >> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> > Cribbed from VCF:
 > > > >> >> >
 > > > >> >> >
 > > > >> >> >
 > > > >> >>
 > > >
 > >

Re: OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update



> On Dec 19, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Paul Koning  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 19, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> BTW, he cited his source for all of his knowledge as the WW-II era U.S.
>>> Navy manual for casting metal, from back when sailors just made whatever
>>> parts were needed.  ...
> 
> Another nice resource for casting, especially for aluminum and for amateurs, 
> is the famous series by Dave Gingery on how to build machinery (lathe, mill, 
> shaper) from cast aluminum (recycled aluminum scrap).  I have a couple of his 
> books; the full series starts with how to make a foundry using charcoal for 
> fuel, and goes on to making a lathe, then a shaper, then a mill, and more.  
> Neat stuff.
> 
> Lindsay Publications used to print these, but Lindsay retired and that 
> company closed down.  I did see Gingery's books still in print via some other 
> path more recently, though.
> 
>   paul

INTERESTING!  These books sound like a great resource!

http://gingerybooks.com

Zane

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

> >> Really? Show me one that is 1) in current production, 2) offers the
> >> full ISA bus (not just some decoded address lines and 8 data lines),
> >> 3) plugs into a PCI slot.
> >> Christian
> > 
> > Surprised no one has used something like an ATMega or cheap USB
> > connected ARM to build a USB to ISA adapter with tie in to DOSBox or
> > some other emulator.
> > 
> 
> For what it's worth, I've never seen an ISA to USB or ISA to PCI
> "bridge" implementation that was fully functional--and that includes P4
> and later motherboards using a bridge chip.  I've been round the block
> with a couple of motherboard vendors.

 I don't know how functional their solutions are and I've never had any of 
their products nor I have anything to do with them, but I've had this 
link:  in my bookmarks just in case since 2005.  
I guess if they have been in that business for so long now, they must have 
been doing things right.

 HTH,

  Maciej

NSC 8477 Was: New takes on XT-IDE, a new FDC, and a new CM/S GAL

> Micro Solutions initially shipped the CompatiCard IV with the Intel
> chip--and it worked well.  Intel then revised the chip as the 82077AA-1
> to add tape support and broke the FM capability.  When I inquired about
> this to Intel, I got the response "Who uses FM anymore?".   Micro
> Solutions sent a bunch of retrofit kits with NSC chips in them to a
> small bunch of CC IV purchasers after they discovered the problem.
> Fortunately, the 8477 is pin-compatible with the 82077.

Chuck,

Are you saying that CCIV initially had an NSC 8477 or an 8473? Or that it had 
an Intel chip and when Intel came out with a new revision they went to an NSC 
chip? Also are all CCIVs retrofitable? i.e. can I order an NSC chip and plop it 
into my CCIV to get FM back? Finally can you drop in an NSC 8473 in a CCIV to 
get 128-byte MFM or the best you can do is switch to a NSC 8477? TIA!

-Ali

RE: VueSCAN

> I’d recommend asking Hamrick, I think they only make the current
> version of their software available, and I’m not sure how long it’s
> been around.  According to Wikipedia it’s been around for 20 years,
> which would mean that there should be versions that support Win 9x and
> 2k.
> 
> It’s primary purpose is to allow people to use scanners that are no
> longer supported on modern hardware.  Having said that, on my Epson
> V850-Pro I find it to be very, very close in quality to SilverFast when
> scanning film.  For documents, I’d use VueScan.
> 


Zane,

Thanks for the info. I am aware of the purpose/reason people are recommending 
it. The reason I asked my question is my own OCD need to standardize, i.e. If I 
can use a program I like in a multi-OS environment I see that as a serious 
plus. You learn one program well and use it across Win9x, 2K, XP, 7, OS X, and 
even Linux I am guessing VueScan is limited to 32bit and above OSes but I 
could be wrong. I wonder if there were ever any TWAIN drivers for Win 3.x.

-Ali

Re: OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-19 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> BTW, he cited his source for all of his knowledge as the WW-II era U.S.
>> Navy manual for casting metal, from back when sailors just made whatever
>> parts were needed.  ...

Another nice resource for casting, especially for aluminum and for amateurs, is 
the famous series by Dave Gingery on how to build machinery (lathe, mill, 
shaper) from cast aluminum (recycled aluminum scrap).  I have a couple of his 
books; the full series starts with how to make a foundry using charcoal for 
fuel, and goes on to making a lathe, then a shaper, then a mill, and more.  
Neat stuff.

Lindsay Publications used to print these, but Lindsay retired and that company 
closed down.  I did see Gingery's books still in print via some other path more 
recently, though.

paul

Re: OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> BTW, he cited his source for all of his knowledge as the WW-II era U.S.
> Navy manual for casting metal, from back when sailors just made whatever
> parts were needed.  They had well-equipped and stocked shops on larger
> ships and tenders, with furnaces for casting all the way through lathes,
> milling machines, and drill presses for final machining.  Those manuals are
> on-line and contain a wealth of industrial technical information about
> every facet of metalworking, electricity and electronics, radio, steam and
> diesel engineering, etc., but in language that boys off the farm could
> understand quickly and comprehensively.  I sure hope that there are copies
> stashed in that critical human history document vault, that the Long Now
> Foundation (LongNow.org) is building, with a mechanical clock that will be
> able to run for 10,000 years with no maintenance, to be installed
> underground in a remote part of West Texas (kinda redundant, I know!).

I’m not sure the quality of Navy Manuals now, but I do know that the ones from 
the 70’s and 80’s were for the most part fantastic.  I think the only ones I 
have that are WW II era (technically Korea) would be for Photography.  The 
NEETS series which crossed several ratings is definitely worth while, though by 
now it’s likely pretty dated (and I’m not sure if it’s been updated.

While the Frigate I was on lacked a furnace, it had the rest of the stuff you 
mention above.  That was on one of the smallest ships. 

Zane

Re: OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-19 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 3:31 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Jay West wrote:
> > Some are casting metal parts by 3d printing molds.
>
> Besides printing molds, I have heard that there is now a filament
> available that can be melted out/away, for a variant of lost-wax
> [sandbox?] casting.

PLA (polylactic acid) will easily evaporate/burn if you pour molten metal
into a sand mold packed tightly around a 3-D printed positive (pattern)
made of that material.  Be aware that you need to allow for the pattern's
dimensions being about 4% larger than those of the final part's, for
aluminum after it cools, due to its high thermal expansion coefficient (or
contraction, in this case).  The coefficients for other metals/alloys have
to be looked up, but will generally be less than aluminum's, which also has
one of the higher melting points.

There's a YouBoob video from a few years ago somewhere that I can't find
any more, made by a crazy guy in Idaho.  He shows the whole process for
making a large CNC lead screw bearing mounting part, from a 3-D printed
pattern, including mixing plaster with sand using an electric hand mixer in
a stainless steel bowl in his kitchen (obviously a confirmed bachelor, or
he has the most awesome wife _ever_!).  He also shows how to use small
pieces of cut-up rigid insulating foam to form channels (where molten metal
enters) and chimneys (where gases from pattern/channel/chimney materials
evaporating/burning escape).

Best of all, he's in his fuzzy slippers outside on snow with an aluminum
high-temperature firefighters pants, jacket, and hood on, pouring molten
aluminum (with pieces of copper pipe melted in to improve pourability) into
a sand mold from a crucible heated in a homemade furnace.  The latter was
made from a 20-gallon steel barrel found in the dump ... I mean, "recycling
center", into which he had poured a cylinder of firebrick mortar formed by
a smaller steel barrel placed in the center of the larger one as a form,
which was removed from the inside after the mortar had hardened.

He referenced a website that shows how to make awesome propane burners from
cut and drilled iron pipe, then showed how he cut tangential holes through
the barrels and had inserted a pipe through the holes before pouring the
mortar, the same diameter as the burner.  The combustion gases would then
swirl up around the crucible inside the mortar cylinder for the fastest
melting of the metal, when the burner was inserted through the tangential
holes and where the placeholder pipe had been.

The money shot is when his Husky/Malamut keeps walking back and forth, in
and out of frame behind him during the video, restrained by a chain
attached to an elevated wire line, and then at the end the dog sits down.
The dog is looking at him with this priceless, straight-man expression with
narrowed eyes and appears to be thinking something akin to, "Are you done
with this foolishness yet, so we can go inside to get some chow and warm
up?"

BTW, he cited his source for all of his knowledge as the WW-II era U.S.
Navy manual for casting metal, from back when sailors just made whatever
parts were needed.  They had well-equipped and stocked shops on larger
ships and tenders, with furnaces for casting all the way through lathes,
milling machines, and drill presses for final machining.  Those manuals are
on-line and contain a wealth of industrial technical information about
every facet of metalworking, electricity and electronics, radio, steam and
diesel engineering, etc., but in language that boys off the farm could
understand quickly and comprehensively.  I sure hope that there are copies
stashed in that critical human history document vault, that the Long Now
Foundation (LongNow.org) is building, with a mechanical clock that will be
able to run for 10,000 years with no maintenance, to be installed
underground in a remote part of West Texas (kinda redundant, I know!).

Re: New takes on XT-IDE, a new FDC, and a new CM/S GAL WAS: RE: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 12:10 PM, systems_glitch via cctalk wrote:

> The controller chip used on that FDC is the same as found on some Adaptec
> AHA-15xx series cards, which have been the go-to for a long time on adding
> FM support to PCs whose onboard controllers don't support it.

I don't think that's correct, when I look at my Adaptec 1542, which uses
(as did some Future Domain and DTC) SCSI controllers, the NSC 8473,
which was a very nice chip--it even supports writing 128-byte MFM
encoded sectors

The item shown uses the National 8477, which is basically a clone of the
old Intel 82077.   Still good for FM, but not writing 128 byte sector MFM.

Micro Solutions initially shipped the CompatiCard IV with the Intel
chip--and it worked well.  Intel then revised the chip as the 82077AA-1
to add tape support and broke the FM capability.  When I inquired about
this to Intel, I got the response "Who uses FM anymore?".   Micro
Solutions sent a bunch of retrofit kits with NSC chips in them to a
small bunch of CC IV purchasers after they discovered the problem.
Fortunately, the 8477 is pin-compatible with the 82077.

I remember working with Andrew on his card and assembled a prototype,
which worked, but showed some component placement issues.  My objection
was the serial port and large ROM was completely unnecessary; in fact, I
left that unpopulated on my board.

FWIW,
Chuck

Re: Retarded ebay prices

2018-12-19 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk

Well, if someone in the Puget Sound area has a HP250 desk that they 
would sell for the equivalent of 200-250 Euro, let me know and I will be 
over tomorrow to pick it up.


All of this stuff is worth what someone will pay for it. All it takes is 
one person for that system to be worth 6000 Euro.


On 12/19/18 11:06 AM, Ulrich Tagge via cctalk wrote:

We had three HP250 Desks here in Germany over the last Years.
They have found a new Home for approx. 200.- to 250.- Euro.
This one is since months on my whatchlist, and the price is defnitly 
too high.
We had also a VAX 11/785 incl. 9-Track Tape, VT100, RA Disk Drive, ... 
... which was gone for under 1.000.- Euro (dame i had not enough space)

Re: OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-19 Thread Norman Jaffe via cctalk

There are also filaments that can be dissolved - they're mainly used for 
support structures, but could also be used for 'lost-wax' casting. 

From: "cctalk"  
To: "cctalk"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:31:02 PM 
Subject: Re: OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Jay West wrote: 
> Some are casting metal parts by 3d printing molds. 

Besides printing molds, I have heard that there is now a filament 
available that can be melted out/away, for a variant of lost-wax 
[sandbox?] casting.

Re: OT - CNC - Re: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update



> On Dec 19, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Since talk has drifted to CNC, you can easily use this cheap North
> American unit (Waterloo, Canada) for plotting -- it's one of their
> demos. I'm tempted to get one for PCBs and other things.
> 
> I'm not affiliated but the people behind this are great (and sometimes
> hiring):
> 
>  https://sienci.com/product/sienci-mill-one-kit-v3/
> 
> --Toby

Now we’re talking!  In many ways, this would be more useful, for me than a 3D 
printer.  I need to spend some time reading their website.

Zane

Re: OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Jay West wrote:

Some are casting metal parts by 3d printing molds.


Besides printing molds, I have heard that there is now a filament 
available that can be melted out/away, for a variant of lost-wax 
[sandbox?] casting.

RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-19 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk




> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of geneb via cctalk
> Sent: 19 December 2018 22:17
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> 
> Subject: Re: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update
> 
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
> >> That's the one you recommended for my microfiche scanning ;-) They
> >> just lowered the price ...
> >
> > In addition, how hard would it be to 3D print some parts to turn it
> > into a PLOTTER?
> That's actually a pretty common modification for existing 3D printers.
> 
> > 3D print brackets for mounting a dremel, and have a cheap (crappy) CNC
> mill.
> >
> 3D printer chassis make lousy CNC router chassis.  The frame stiffness
just
> isn't there. (and it shouldn't be)
> 

No I tried using my Maplin/Velleman/3Drag to route and it was pants. Some
folks have allegedly used them to make PCBs but I can't believe it works
well.

I did use it to drill the switch holes for the Baby Baby...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcAmrFoRrY

but the bed flexing didn't matter for that, but it wouldn't mill the
triangle trunnions that keep the uprights upright.

Dave



> g.
> 
> 
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
> 
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value
> database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

Re: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:

That's the one you recommended for my microfiche scanning ;-)
They just lowered the price ...


In addition, how hard would it be to 3D print some parts to turn it into a 
PLOTTER?

That's actually a pretty common modification for existing 3D printers.


3D print brackets for mounting a dremel, and have a cheap (crappy) CNC mill.

3D printer chassis make lousy CNC router chassis.  The frame stiffness 
just isn't there. (and it shouldn't be)


g.


--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

Fred wrote...
In addition, how hard would it be to 3D print some parts to turn it into a
PLOTTER?
---
I have not seen or done the below myself. But I have heard that there are
plenty of conversion kits out there for 3d printers to do:

As fred asked... https://tinyurl.com/y9d7sbwt

Also... PCB creation. Some are doing pcb's by adding a small laser module to
the hotend and exposing photoresist plates and then washing off all but the
traces and pads. Others are mounting a conductive ink pen to the hot end and
drawing the traces. Some are building thin channels for the traces, and
filling them with conductive paint.

Some are laser engraving or even cutting with a small (8000 mW continuous)
CO2 laser, again, on the hot end.

Some are casting metal parts by 3d printing molds.

There are new filament materials coming out all the time. My new favorite is
a wood filament. It's just wood particles in another medium, sure... but it
can be sanded and will take stain. That's close enough for me!

There's a reason getting a 3d printer took me away from vintage computers
for a while ;)

J

Re: DG Nova 4 for pickup on Lon Gisland

2018-12-19 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk

On 12/18/2018 3:35 PM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/18/18 12:38 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
> 
>>> Unfortunately I got no docs or media with this machine. And it appears
>>> all that is up on bitsavers are tape images?
> 
> Everything DG related on bitsavers has been on hold for a while until the
> licensing situation with EMC worked itself through.
> 
> 
> 

I have a fair amount of DG software floppies (and have imaged them), but
have also been advised (by another party) to hold off making them
available owing to licensing issues.  Shame, really.  Hopefully it will
all get worked out.

But, here is a quick list:

(DGDSDD is double-sided dual density, DGFHS is DG hard sectored, MT is
mag tape (9 track))

KINDID  MACHINE CONTENTSCOMMENT ChecksumChecksum 2  
FILENAMEMFG
SERIAL  TRAYDATEAVAILABILI  ERRORS  PREVIOUS_C

MT  CC0028  NOVA"RDOS ""STARTER"""  12/30/88 NOVA 3/4, 1 Extra
file @ end  rdos_starter_881230.aws Memorex 35CWA1  Rack 
East Wall
8/7/2000?   

MT  CC0029  NOVA"RDOS66 ""STARTER TAPE"""   12/31/88 NOVA 4/X, Last
file BADrdos_66_starter_881230.aws  Memorex 27JHA9  
Rack East Wall
8/7/2000Y   

MT  CC0030  NOVARDOS 6.6 NOVA 4/x FDUMP Reel 1 of 2 12/31/88
rdos_66_fdump_1_of_2_881231.aws Memorex 35JWA9  Rack East Wall  8/7/2000


MT  CC0031  NOVARDOS 6.6 NOVA 4/x FDUMP Reel 2 of 2 12/31/88
rdos_66_fdump_2_of_2_881231.aws Wabash  87623#1511  Rack East Wall  
8/7/2000



KINDID  MACHINE CONTENTSCOMMENT ChecksumChecksum 2  
FILENAMEMFG
SERIAL  TRAYDATEAVAILABILI  ERRORS  PREVIOUS_C

DGDSDD  DGF1229 Nova 4  NOVA 4/X BASICGEN.  DUMP FORMAT 12/30/88
DGF1229.DMK DG  F64 12/30/1988  All 
Tracks 16 x 512 2464 Sectors

DGDSDD  DGF1230 Nova 4  NOVA 4/X $LIB $SPL $OLIB $WP DUMP FORMAT
12/28/88DGF1230.DMK DG  F64 
12/28/1988  All Tracks 16 x 512 2464 Sectors

DGFHS   1001NOVANOVA DOS Starter DK W/O Mag Tape072-02-02
(Copy)  dg1001.img  DG  F50 


DGFHS   1002NOVANOVA DOS Starter DK Rev. 3.00   072-02-04   
dg1002.img  DG  F50 

DGFHS   1003NOVANOVA DOS Starter DK Rev. 3.00   072-02-04 (Copy)

dg1003.img  DG  F50 4/20/1979   

DGFHS   1004NOVANOVA DOS SYSGEN Diskette: W/O Mag Tape
072-03-01   dg1004.img  DG  F50 


DGFHS   1005NOVANOVA DOS SYSGEN Diskette: W/O Mag Tape  072-03-02
(Copy)  dg1005.img  DG  F50 


DGFHS   1006NOVANOVA DOS UTILITY Diskette W/O Mag Tape
072-04-01   dg1006.img  DG  F50 


DGFHS   1007NOVANOVA DOS UTILITY Diskette W/O Mag Tape  072-04-02
(Copy)  dg1007.img  DG  F50 


DGFHS   1008NOVANOVA DOS UTILITIES DK Rev. 3.00 072-04-04   
dg1008.img  DG  F50 

DGFHS   1009NOVANOVA DOS UTILITIES DK   072-04-?? (Copy, Revision
not shown)  dg1009.img  DG  F50 
4/20/1979   

DGFHS   1010NOVARTOS Mag Tape Support   072-06-01 (RTOS DOS Support
not Mag?dg1010.img  DG  F50 


DGFHS   1011NOVANOVA DOS Starter Diskette With Mag Tape
072-09-00   dg1011.img  DG  F50 


DGFHS   1012NOVACMSP (Communications Mux Software Pkg?)
072-18-00   dg1012.img  DG  F50 


DGFHS   1013NOVAMicroNOVA Starter DK Rev. 3.00  072-35-03   
dg1013.img  DG  F50 

DGFHS   1014NOVADOS Update 2 for Rev 3.00   072-000241-01   
dg1014.img  DG  F50 

DGFHS   1015NOVANOVA RTOS   072-40-00   
dg1015.img  DG  F51 

DGFHS   1016NOVANOVA RTOS on Diskette   "072-40-02 (Rev 6)
""3100"""   dg1016.img  DG  F51 


DGFHS   1017NOVARTOS Rev. 6.20  072-40-03   
dg1017.img  DG  F51 

DGFHS   1018NOVARTOS Update 1 ON

Re: DG Nova 4 for pickup on Lon Gisland

On 12/19/18 4:14 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctech wrote:
> On 12/18/2018 3:35 PM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/18 12:38 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
>>
 Unfortunately I got no docs or media with this machine. And it appears
 all that is up on bitsavers are tape images?
>>
>> Everything DG related on bitsavers has been on hold for a while until the
>> licensing situation with EMC worked itself through.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> I have a fair amount of DG software floppies (and have imaged them), but
> have also been advised (by another party) to hold off making them
> available owing to licensing issues.  Shame, really.  Hopefully it will
> all get worked out.
> 

Tell that to the PDP-11 and Pr1me enthusiasts.

bill

Re: Retarded ebay prices

2018-12-19 Thread Ulrich Tagge via cctalk


We had three HP250 Desks here in Germany over the last Years.
They have found a new Home for approx. 200.- to 250.- Euro.
This one is since months on my whatchlist, and the price is defnitly too 
high.
We had also a VAX 11/785 incl. 9-Track Tape, VT100, RA Disk Drive, ... 
... which was gone for under 1.000.- Euro (dame i had not enough space)

Re: VueSCAN

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if old versions of VueSCAN worked on anything below XP
> (e.g. Win 9x, 2K or even gasp 3.x)? Thanks.
> 
> -Ali

I’d recommend asking Hamrick, I think they only make the current version of 
their software available, and I’m not sure how long it’s been around.  
According to Wikipedia it’s been around for 20 years, which would mean that 
there should be versions that support Win 9x and 2k.

It’s primary purpose is to allow people to use scanners that are no longer 
supported on modern hardware.  Having said that, on my Epson V850-Pro I find it 
to be very, very close in quality to SilverFast when scanning film.  For 
documents, I’d use VueScan.

Zane

Re: More old stuff incoming


On 12/19/2018 02:29 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

And today, we have "Watson".


That's a symptom of one of many things that have changed at IBM.



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

VueSCAN

Does anyone know if old versions of VueSCAN worked on anything below XP
(e.g. Win 9x, 2K or even gasp 3.x)? Thanks.

-Ali

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 4:27 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote:
> Having worked at IBM “in the day”, the “official” reason (near as I could 
> tell) was that IBM didn’t want to anthropomorphise computers.  So it was 
> never “memory”, it was always “storage”.  So we didn’t have RAM or ROM, we 
> had storage or ROS.  Disks were called DASD.  Main boards were called 
> “planars”.

And today, we have "Watson".

bill

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk

Having worked at IBM “in the day”, the “official” reason (near as I could tell) 
was that IBM didn’t want to anthropomorphise computers.  So it was never 
“memory”, it was always “storage”.  So we didn’t have RAM or ROM, we had 
storage or ROS.  Disks were called DASD.  Main boards were called “planars”.

TTFN - Guy

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 1:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>> I always liked the PS/2 cases.  Just about every one I've seen is tool less 
>> down to, and sometimes including, the system planar (as IBM called it).
> 
> Typically unreliable source (my uncle who worked for IBM) said that the 
> reason that they REFUSED to call it a "motherboard" was due to some TV news 
> broadcasts from Merritt College where Black Panthers were saying "UP AGAINST 
> THE WALL, MOTHER!"
> I was there.  They said 'motherfucker", not "mother".
> (there was a New Yorker? cartoon with an elderly woman commenting that she 
> loved how they kept saying "mother")
> Nevertheless, s'posedly it caused IBM to choose a different name.
>

OT - CNC - Re: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

On 2018-12-19 3:46 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
>> That's the one you recommended for my microfiche scanning ;-)
>> They just lowered the price ...
> 
> In addition, how hard would it be to 3D print some parts to turn it into
> a PLOTTER?
> Half a century ago, I wrote some trivial code to convert Calcomp
> plotting software to Stromberg Carlson/Datagraphix.  (Hint, don't
> reqrite the high level functions, wait until they call the lowest level
> primitives, and just write conversion for THOSE)  It shouldn't be hard
> to convert to STL.
> 
> 3D print brackets for mounting a dremel, and have a cheap (crappy) CNC
> mill.
> 

Since talk has drifted to CNC, you can easily use this cheap North
American unit (Waterloo, Canada) for plotting -- it's one of their
demos. I'm tempted to get one for PCBs and other things.

I'm not affiliated but the people behind this are great (and sometimes
hiring):

  https://sienci.com/product/sienci-mill-one-kit-v3/

--Toby

Vacuum Tubes, / Valves, funny money - was Re: More old stuff incoming

On 2018-12-19 3:57 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/19/18 12:17 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> You'll get my vacuum tubes when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
> 
> sure thing,
> let me know when you croak
> 
> 12AX7's are going for stupid money now
> 
> 
> 
> 

I was going to disagree, but then:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/5-Telefunken-12AX7-ECC83-Tubes-Vtg-1960-Berlin-Germany/323603001927

I suspect this is not going to be true of all brands though.

--T

Vacuum Tubes, / Valves, funny money - was Re: More old stuff incoming

On 2018-12-19 3:57 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/19/18 12:17 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> You'll get my vacuum tubes when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
> 
> sure thing,
> let me know when you croak
> 
> 12AX7's are going for stupid money now
> 
> 
> 
> 

I was going to disagree, but then:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/5-Telefunken-12AX7-ECC83-Tubes-Vtg-1960-Berlin-Germany/323603001927

I suspect this is not going to be true of all brands though.

--T

Re: More old stuff incoming


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I always liked the PS/2 cases.  Just about every one I've seen is tool less 
down to, and sometimes including, the system planar (as IBM called it).


Typically unreliable source (my uncle who worked for IBM) said that the 
reason that they REFUSED to call it a "motherboard" was due to some TV 
news broadcasts from Merritt College where Black Panthers were saying "UP 
AGAINST THE WALL, MOTHER!"

I was there.  They said 'motherfucker", not "mother".
(there was a New Yorker? cartoon with an elderly woman commenting that she 
loved how they kept saying "mother")

Nevertheless, s'posedly it caused IBM to choose a different name.

Re: More old stuff incoming



> On Dec 19, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2018-12-19 3:59 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> I still have and use the first scanner bought by the CS Department
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>>> Pretty sure that's the one.  Got stuff piled on it at the moment
>>> so I can't read the model number.
>> 
>> An inherent design problem with flatbed scanners!
>> 
>> In the college computer lab, we put a plexiglass pyramid on top of the
>> lid of the scanner as the only way to keep it from being used as a table
>> and shelf.
> 
> Brilliant!

Agreed, I should consider doing that with mine.  It’s currently buried in a 
stack of slides and negatives.  It’s also common to have books and magazines up 
there.

Zane

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 2018-12-19 3:59 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
 I still have and use the first scanner bought by the CS Department
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>> Pretty sure that's the one.  Got stuff piled on it at the moment
>> so I can't read the model number.
> 
> An inherent design problem with flatbed scanners!
> 
> In the college computer lab, we put a plexiglass pyramid on top of the
> lid of the scanner as the only way to keep it from being used as a table
> and shelf.
> 
> 

Brilliant!

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 2018-12-19 3:59 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
 I still have and use the first scanner bought by the CS Department
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>> Pretty sure that's the one.  Got stuff piled on it at the moment
>> so I can't read the model number.
> 
> An inherent design problem with flatbed scanners!
> 
> In the college computer lab, we put a plexiglass pyramid on top of the
> lid of the scanner as the only way to keep it from being used as a table
> and shelf.
> 
> 

Brilliant!

RE: 3D printer $179.99 today ONLY (Was: 8-Update


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
Actually I misspoke when I said the ender 3 has design flaws. All of its 
flaws are in the execution of manufacturing, not in the design itself. 
Replace the extruder with an all-metal one instead of plastic (the 
plastic one cracked in a few weeks for me, so filament slippage) - cost 
is about $15. Drop in a borosilicate glass bed, so you can get better 
adhesion than the stock pad, easier removal, as well as more flexible 
choice of filament materials - that's about $20. Replace the z-axis rod 
coupler with one that actually doesn't slip - cost about $5. And while 
not necessary, it makes it a lot easier to get good parts if you add an 
automatic bed leveler - $70 (for the th3d one).


THAT is useful information.
One that I saw had a [3D printed] bracket for dial indicator added on for 
setting height.

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk

> On December 19, 2018 at 3:57 PM Al Kossow via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 12/19/18 12:17 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> 
> > You'll get my vacuum tubes when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
> 
> sure thing,
> let me know when you croak
> 
> 12AX7's are going for stupid money now
> 

But if his hands are cold, doesn't that mean the tubes are dead?

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 3:59 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
 I still have and use the first scanner bought by the CS Department
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>> Pretty sure that's the one.  Got stuff piled on it at the moment
>> so I can't read the model number.
> 
> An inherent design problem with flatbed scanners!
> 
> In the college computer lab, we put a plexiglass pyramid on top of the 
> lid of the scanner as the only way to keep it from being used as a table 
> and shelf.
> 

So true.

I just wish I could find the sheet feeder for it.  We never bought
it and I have never seen on eBay or anything.

bill

Re: More old stuff incoming


I still have and use the first scanner bought by the CS Department

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

Pretty sure that's the one.  Got stuff piled on it at the moment
so I can't read the model number.


An inherent design problem with flatbed scanners!

In the college computer lab, we put a plexiglass pyramid on top of the lid 
of the scanner as the only way to keep it from being used as a table and 
shelf.

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk




On 12/19/18 12:17 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

> You'll get my vacuum tubes when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

sure thing,
let me know when you croak

12AX7's are going for stupid money now

Re: More old stuff incoming

I’d like an 8x10 enlarger, but I don’t regret passing on the Elwood that turned 
up in the area about a year ago.  It was in *sorry* shape.  I do regret missing 
a Zone VI 5x7 in November.  My main enlarger is a 4x5 Beseler.  For 4x5 I’m 
using Horseman, for 8x10 Deardorff, and for 11x14 I have a Kodak 2D that’s 
likely over 100 years old.

I’m currently trying to figure out how to free up some of the space taken by 
classic computers, and other stuff, to make room for building out a proper 
darkroom.  Even if I get a proper darkroom, finding room for an 8x10 enlarger 
would be a challenge, they they make my PDP-11/44 and other DEC HW look small.

Zane




> On Dec 19, 2018, at 12:20 PM, ED SHARPE  wrote:
> 
> OK  yea  Zane that is the  Epson scanner  I hear  so much  good  about!
> 
> I miss  my  sinar  had   4x5 5x7 and  8 x10  backs  (it  was the old orig 
>  NORMA.what a  beauty... when I started  comp  biz the  sale of that  . 
> cant  complain comp biz  ..  still have my speed graphic  and  my uncles  
> 4x5  graphic  view  monorail camera  and   8x10  ansco   studio camera   I 
> started with...
> 
> 
> one  thing  nice but  going unused is  the 5x7 durst  enlarger  with pin 
> register vacuum  easel...   has   hi  power agfa  color  head on it.used 
> to be messenger graphics... they  used to  make  separations  with it until 
> they  got their  scanner... bill hammer  had  2  a  5x7 and an 8x10..  some 
> one else  got the  8x10 (  darn!)  but  that is how  I  learned there was a  
> 5x7  one... for  8 x 10 bw  we had a cast  iron Elwood  diffusion 
> enlarger..  great  for  printing  8x10  and  6 1/2  x  8 1/2  glass plates  
> from   the  turn of the century
> 
> I  think I  will give the durst to the  smecc  project.   I still want to see 
> it!  (  but  would like to have the  room in   at  home  free)
> 
> 
> Ed#
> In a message dated 12/19/2018 1:07:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
> heal...@avanthar.com writes:
> 
> The Epson V850-Pro does pretty good at 8x10, and produces scans capable of 
> being printed at about 30”x40”.  I *WISH* I could scan my 11x14 negatives.  
> To be able to do well requires either a vintage flatbed, or better yet a good 
> Drum Scanner.  Realistically, I need a good Drum Scanner, which in turn will 
> require a Classic Mac to drive it (since I don’t want to use a Windows PC).
> 
> You don’t want to know what it costs to shoot 4x5 transparencies, let alone 
> 8x10.  I have a project, that to pull off, is probably going to require 8x10 
> transparencies.  I’m mainly working with 8x10 and 11x14 B, in fact I have a 
> whole pile of 8x10 film that needs to be processed (I’m caught up on the 
> 11x14).  This is also causing problems for my Classic Computers, since it 
> fights for space (my PDP-11/44 actually has two enlargers sitting on top of 
> it).
> 
> I have considered a couple photo projects using the Commodore 64 as the 
> brains.
> 
> Zane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 19, 2018, at 10:43 AM, ED SHARPE > wrote:
> Zane -   thanks  for  reminder.  Yes  this  scannergoes  scssi  to  a  
> large  cofax  processing  card that is  supposed  to  do  fast  working 
> magic... but  die  to faster   PC and CPU  speeds  today  may not  be  really 
> needed  or  will HANG!
> 
> 
> We  do  use the  vuscan  for   use  with a  hp scanner that  has a  4x5  
> negative  scanner attachment on it.   It  will scan   35 mm  to  4x5   
> really  not   great resolution  for  35 mm to  11x14  size   but   for   4x5  
> to  11x14  or  8x10   works  just   fine.
> 
> Zane  yea  amazing I was  going to   scrap  that  scanner  now it is a part 
> of the workforce...
> I DO  WANT  A  EPSON 800 series that  goes up to 8x10  
> someday..though.
> 
> (Back in my  youth  in the mid 70s I  did   advertising photography  for  
> products andbrochures  etc... and   many  people wanted image of n  
> 4x5 transparency ... some  required  8x10  even.   8x10  not  cheap  to  
> shoot $5 a  sheet  purchase  and $5  a sheet  processing  if  you  took 
> to  lab. )
> 
> 
> OKso  for  my  4x5  stuff   this old  scanner  works and  also we  have 
> ad  shots to  be scanned  at museum too ... one  example is the  REGENCY ( 
> IDEA ELECTRONICS)  ad  shot  transparency collection  ( They made  first 
> transistor  radio and all kids of  great  goodies  ... uhf converters, radio 
> transceivers, public services band monitors  and more-)  Now  if  any other 
> of  you have  anything  on  Ektachrome   scan it  now since as  time 
> progresses the  colors  will get  even crappierI love  really old   
> 4x5  KODACHROME   transparencies  the  colors are still  a beauty... the  
> reds are  majestic and vibrant!! ( search  internet  for  some of the  WW2  
> color  stuff...  amazing)  reason?  Aniline  dies   in Kodachrome vs  the 
> crappy>ass organic  dyes in the Ektachrome)  Anyway...  Message here ... 
> scan any and all color  materials now  not  later

RE: New takes on XT-IDE, a new FDC, and a new CM/S GAL WAS: RE: More old stuff incoming

> > four drive support and addresses but given that most FDCs will not
> > support FM this is a great step forward.
...
> 
> SOME FDC will support FM.
> SOME FDC can sorta do 128 byte sectors.

Fred,

SOME is not MOST ;). Yeah some will but if you were to pick up a generic
8bit FDC off of eBay chances are it won't

> 
> It looks nice, but,
> I want a DC37 external connector, instead of the serial.  Or use a
> header
> for serial to give space for the DC37.
> Or (would require moving stuff around a little, or a taller board), a
> second 34 pin header, and a DC37 on a bracket with short cable.

Agreed, as I said I would have liked to see more of the CompatiCard IV
functionality replicated. Or if they wanted to go above and beyond a 50 pin
internal header (for 8") and/or an edge connector (for 5 1/4") would also be
nice OR built in FDADAP functionality? How about better copying prowess
(e.g. put Copy II PC circuitry on the same FDC)? The deluxe chip might be
hard to replicate but the earlier TTL one should be doable)... 

-Ali

RE: New takes on XT-IDE, a new FDC, and a new CM/S GAL WAS: RE: More old stuff incoming

>That FDC is not an XT-IDE, it's a copy of Sergey Kiesev's XT-FDC controller. 
>The same seller also saw fit >to "cost optimize" the open source XT-IDE rev 4 
>and remove my copyright/site info. It's no great step >forward, it's merely a 
>copy of someone else's work with no attribution.

I thought that seller had permission? Also I never said the FDC was XT-IDE. The 
same seller (from New Zealand) also sells a small XT-IDE card. I didn't bother 
linking to it because there was nothing special about it.

>The controller chip used on that FDC is the same as found on some Adaptec 
>AHA-15xx series cards, which >have been the go-to for a long time on adding FM 
>support to PCs whose onboard controllers don't support >it.

As for Sergey's I wasn't aware that he used the same chip as the Adaptec or 
that his supported FM. Of course everyone knows about the 1540 which has driven 
prices up. I do not know of anyone selling hobbyist FDCs at this time 
preassembled so this may be a good source for those looking for one. If anyone 
is selling FDCs (is Sergey?) pre-assembled then they maybe should get the 
business...

-Ali

OK yea Zane that is the Epson scanner I hear so much good about!
I miss my sinar had 4x5 5x7 and 8 x10 backs (it was the old orig
NORMA. what a beauty... when I started comp biz the sale of that . cant
complain comp biz .. still have my speed graphic and my uncles 4x5
graphic view monorail camera and 8x10 ansco studio camera I started
with...

one thing nice but going unused is the 5x7 durst enlarger with pin
register vacuum easel... has hi power agfa color head on it. used to
be messenger graphics... they used to make separations with it until they
got their scanner... bill hammer had 2 a 5x7 and an 8x10.. some one else
got the 8x10 ( darn!) but that is how I learned there was a 5x7 one...
for 8 x 10 bw we had a cast iron Elwood diffusion enlarger.. great for
printing 8x10 and 6 1/2 x 8 1/2 glass plates from the turn of the
century
I think I will give the durst to the smecc project. I still want to see
it! ( but would like to have the room in at home free)
Ed#
In a message dated 12/19/2018 1:07:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
heal...@avanthar.com writes:

The Epson V850-Pro does pretty good at 8x10, and produces scans capable of
being printed at about 30”x40”. I *WISH* I could scan my 11x14 negatives. To
be able to do well requires either a vintage flatbed, or better yet a good Drum
Scanner. Realistically, I need a good Drum Scanner, which in turn will require
a Classic Mac to drive it (since I don’t want to use a Windows PC).
You don’t want to know what it costs to shoot 4x5 transparencies, let alone
8x10. I have a project, that to pull off, is probably going to require 8x10
transparencies. I’m mainly working with 8x10 and 11x14 B, in fact I have a
whole pile of 8x10 film that needs to be processed (I’m caught up on the
11x14). This is also causing problems for my Classic Computers, since it
fights for space (my PDP-11/44 actually has two enlargers sitting on top of it).
I have considered a couple photo projects using the Commodore 64 as the brains.
Zane

On Dec 19, 2018, at 10:43 AM, ED SHARPE wrote:
Zane - thanks for reminder. Yes this scanner goes scssi to a
large cofax processing card that is supposed to do fast working
magic... but die to faster PC and CPU speeds today may not be really
needed or will HANG!

(Back in my youth in the mid 70s I did advertising photography for
products and brochures etc... and many people wanted image of n 4x5
transparency ... some required 8x10 even. 8x10 not cheap to shoot
$5 a sheet purchase and $5 a sheet processing if you took to lab. )
OK so for my 4x5 stuff this old scanner works and also we have ad
shots to be scanned at museum too ... one example is the REGENCY ( IDEA
ELECTRONICS) ad shot transparency collection ( They made first transistor
radio and all kids of great goodies ... uhf converters, radio transceivers,
public services band monitors and more-) Now if any other of you have
anything on Ektachrome scan it now since as time progresses the colors
will get even crappier I love really old 4x5 KODACHROME
transparencies the colors are still a beauty... the reds are majestic and
vibrant!! ( search internet for some of the WW2 color stuff... amazing)
reason? Aniline dies in Kodachrome vs the crappy>ass organic dyes in the
Ektachrome) Anyway... Message here ... scan any and all color materials
now not later as most will just get worse but Kodachrome not as bad
and EVERY other medium.
we got a large group of Burroughs 35mm ad shots on transparency that
are in the Q for scanning... pc mini and mainframe all across the
board. stuff will definite print up better than scans from magazines when
I need a photo for a display.
Ed# SMECC
In a message dated 12/19/2018 9:15:44 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
heal...@avanthar.com writes:

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 12:49 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I wonder if I will face theses issuea with the cof ax scanner software and a
> megabux retired scanner we were gifted.. .. thing Is bw only..

With old scanners, always look at what the I/O interface is, and see if it’s a
model of scanner supported by VueScan. VueScan is *amazing* and produces
results that are

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 3:15 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/19/18 11:59 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
>> I do have some 12AX7's lying around...
> 
> sell them
> 
> 
> 

You'll get my vacuum tubes when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

bill

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk




On 12/19/18 11:59 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
> I do have some 12AX7's lying around...

sell them

Re: New takes on XT-IDE, a new FDC, and a new CM/S GAL WAS: RE: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk

That FDC is not an XT-IDE, it's a copy of Sergey Kiesev's XT-FDC
controller. The same seller also saw fit to "cost optimize" the open source
XT-IDE rev 4 and remove my copyright/site info. It's no great step forward,
it's merely a copy of someone else's work with no attribution.

The controller chip used on that FDC is the same as found on some Adaptec
AHA-15xx series cards, which have been the go-to for a long time on adding
FM support to PCs whose onboard controllers don't support it.

Thanks,
Jonathan

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 3:01 PM Ali via cctalk 
wrote:

> > > "Tube Time" is the developer of the adlib (now sold by the Russians
> > on eBay) and the SnBl
> > > https://twitter.com/tubetimeus
>
>
> Has anyone seen these before? They seem to be a new take (just a shrink
> down) of the XT-IDE and an FDC controller that supports single density (FM)
> and 2.88 ED drives (along with the usual PC stuff). The FDC is interesting.
> I would have liked to have seen it be more like a CCIV w/ four drive
> support and addresses but given that most FDCs will not support FM this is
> a great step forward.
>
>
> www.ebay.com/itm/DeluxeFloppy-8-bit-ISA-Bootable-HD-Floppy-Serial/332861819300
>
>
> It also looks like someone tweaked the PAL code, originally decoded by
> Chuck G., on the SB CM/S upgrade to get rid of some of the
> incompatibilities...
>
>
> www.ebay.com/itm/Improved-CMS-Upgrade-Kit-for-Sound-Blaster-2-0-CT1350B-compatible-with-CT1336A/283307302605
>
> -Ali
>
>

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 3:03 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> they already  do  have this,  output  state is a  tube...Ed#

I know there was one.  I was waiting for the newer model.

bill

> 
> 
> In a message dated 12/19/2018 12:59:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
> 
>   
> On 2018-12-19 2:33 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> On 12/19/18 2:21 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/19/18 9:56 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>>>
 I've been following @foone's development of the Snood Bloober on Twitter.
>>>
>>> "Tube Time" is the developer of the adlib (now sold by the Russians on 
>>> eBay) and the SnBl
>>> https://twitter.com/tubetimeus
>>>
>>
>> when will someone be coming out with another sound card with a
>> vacuum tube on it?
>>
>> bill
>>
> 
> Hm, I do have some 12AX7's lying around...
> 
> --T
>

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 11:59 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
> On 2018-12-19 2:33 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

>>
>> when will someone be coming out with another sound card with a
>> vacuum tube on it?
>>
>> bill
>>
> 
> Hm, I do have some 12AX7's lying around...


Well, there have been PC motherboards (I can't remember the brand) with
a single tube installed...

--Chuck

Re: More old stuff incoming


On 12/19/2018 12:33 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
when will someone be coming out with another sound card with a vacuum 
tube on it?


I didn't know that there was such for a personal computer.

That being said, I have seem pictures of hats for Raspberry Pis (and the 
likes) that do have "valve" (what I assume are) finals.


I don't really care about the "valve" vs "tube" debate or which side of 
the pond you're from.  I'm saying "valve" as an internal joke with a friend.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: More old stuff incoming

The Epson V850-Pro does pretty good at 8x10, and produces scans capable of 
being printed at about 30”x40”.  I *WISH* I could scan my 11x14 negatives.  To 
be able to do well requires either a vintage flatbed, or better yet a good Drum 
Scanner.  Realistically, I need a good Drum Scanner, which in turn will require 
a Classic Mac to drive it (since I don’t want to use a Windows PC).

You don’t want to know what it costs to shoot 4x5 transparencies, let alone 
8x10.  I have a project, that to pull off, is probably going to require 8x10 
transparencies.  I’m mainly working with 8x10 and 11x14 B, in fact I have a 
whole pile of 8x10 film that needs to be processed (I’m caught up on the 
11x14).  This is also causing problems for my Classic Computers, since it 
fights for space (my PDP-11/44 actually has two enlargers sitting on top of it).

I have considered a couple photo projects using the Commodore 64 as the brains.

Zane




> On Dec 19, 2018, at 10:43 AM, ED SHARPE  wrote:
> 
> Zane -   thanks  for  reminder.  Yes  this  scannergoes  scssi  to  a  
> large  cofax  processing  card that is  supposed  to  do  fast  working 
> magic... but  die  to faster   PC and CPU  speeds  today  may not  be  really 
> needed  or  will HANG!
> 
> 
> We  do  use the  vuscan  for   use  with a  hp scanner that  has a  4x5  
> negative  scanner attachment on it.   It  will scan   35 mm  to  4x5   
> really  not   great resolution  for  35 mm to  11x14  size   but   for   4x5  
> to  11x14  or  8x10   works  just   fine.
> 
> Zane  yea  amazing I was  going to   scrap  that  scanner  now it is a part 
> of the workforce...
> I DO  WANT  A  EPSON 800 series that  goes up to 8x10  
> someday..though.
> 
> (Back in my  youth  in the mid 70s I  did   advertising photography  for  
> products andbrochures  etc... and   many  people wanted image of n  
> 4x5 transparency ... some  required  8x10  even.   8x10  not  cheap  to  
> shoot $5 a  sheet  purchase  and $5  a sheet  processing  if  you  took 
> to  lab. )
> 
> 
> OKso  for  my  4x5  stuff   this old  scanner  works and  also we  have 
> ad  shots to  be scanned  at museum too ... one  example is the  REGENCY ( 
> IDEA ELECTRONICS)  ad  shot  transparency collection  ( They made  first 
> transistor  radio and all kids of  great  goodies  ... uhf converters, radio 
> transceivers, public services band monitors  and more-)  Now  if  any other 
> of  you have  anything  on  Ektachrome   scan it  now since as  time 
> progresses the  colors  will get  even crappierI love  really old   
> 4x5  KODACHROME   transparencies  the  colors are still  a beauty... the  
> reds are  majestic and vibrant!! ( search  internet  for  some of the  WW2  
> color  stuff...  amazing)  reason?  Aniline  dies   in Kodachrome vs  the 
> crappy>ass organic  dyes in the Ektachrome)  Anyway...  Message here ... 
> scan any and all color  materials now  not  later as most  will just  get  
> worse  but Kodachrome  not  as  bad  and  EVERY other   medium.
> 
> we  got a  large  group of  Burroughs  35mm  ad  shots  on  transparency that 
> are in the  Q   for  scanning...  pc  mini and mainframe  all across  the 
> board.  stuff  will  definite  print up better than  scans  from magazines 
> when I  need  a  photo   for a  display.
> 
> 
> Ed#   SMECC
> 
> 
> In a message dated 12/19/2018 9:15:44 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
> heal...@avanthar.com writes:
> 
> 
> > On Dec 19, 2018, at 12:49 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk  > <>> wrote:
> > 
> > I wonder if I will face theses issuea with the cof ax scanner software and 
> > a megabux retired scanner we were gifted.. .. thing Is bw only..
> 
> With old scanners, always look at what the I/O interface is, and see if it’s 
> a model of scanner supported by VueScan. VueScan is *amazing* and produces 
> results that are about as good as SilverFast with my Epson V850 Pro. It also 
> keeps some vintage scanners around here running.
> 
> Zane
> 
> 
>

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk

they already  do  have this,  output  state is a  tube...Ed#


In a message dated 12/19/2018 12:59:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
On 2018-12-19 2:33 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

> On 12/19/18 2:21 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/18 9:56 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> I've been following @foone's development of the Snood Bloober on Twitter.
>>
>> "Tube Time" is the developer of the adlib (now sold by the Russians on eBay) 
>> and the SnBl
>> https://twitter.com/tubetimeus
>>
> 
> when will someone be coming out with another sound card with a
> vacuum tube on it?
> 
> bill
> 

Hm, I do have some 12AX7's lying around...

--T

New takes on XT-IDE, a new FDC, and a new CM/S GAL WAS: RE: More old stuff incoming

> > "Tube Time" is the developer of the adlib (now sold by the Russians
> on eBay) and the SnBl
> > https://twitter.com/tubetimeus


Has anyone seen these before? They seem to be a new take (just a shrink down) 
of the XT-IDE and an FDC controller that supports single density (FM) and 2.88 
ED drives (along with the usual PC stuff). The FDC is interesting. I would have 
liked to have seen it be more like a CCIV w/ four drive support and addresses 
but given that most FDCs will not support FM this is a great step forward.

www.ebay.com/itm/DeluxeFloppy-8-bit-ISA-Bootable-HD-Floppy-Serial/332861819300


It also looks like someone tweaked the PAL code, originally decoded by Chuck 
G., on the SB CM/S upgrade to get rid of some of the incompatibilities... 

www.ebay.com/itm/Improved-CMS-Upgrade-Kit-for-Sound-Blaster-2-0-CT1350B-compatible-with-CT1336A/283307302605

-Ali

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 2018-12-19 2:33 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> On 12/19/18 2:21 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/18 9:56 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> I've been following @foone's development of the Snood Bloober on Twitter.
>>
>> "Tube Time" is the developer of the adlib (now sold by the Russians on eBay) 
>> and the SnBl
>> https://twitter.com/tubetimeus
>>
> 
> when will someone be coming out with another sound card with a
> vacuum tube on it?
> 
> bill
> 

Hm, I do have some 12AX7's lying around...

--T

Bluebox AVR boards still available

2018-12-19 Thread David Griffith via cctalk

I still have Bluebox AVR boards ready to ship out.


-- 
David Griffith
d...@661.org

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 2:21 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/19/18 9:56 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> I've been following @foone's development of the Snood Bloober on Twitter.
> 
> "Tube Time" is the developer of the adlib (now sold by the Russians on eBay) 
> and the SnBl
> https://twitter.com/tubetimeus
> 

when will someone be coming out with another sound card with a
vacuum tube on it?

bill

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk




On 12/19/18 9:56 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:

> I've been following @foone's development of the Snood Bloober on Twitter. 

"Tube Time" is the developer of the adlib (now sold by the Russians on eBay) 
and the SnBl
https://twitter.com/tubetimeus

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk

Zane - thanks for reminder. Yes this scanner goes scssi to a
large cofax processing card that is supposed to do fast working
magic... but die to faster PC and CPU speeds today may not be really
needed or will HANG!

We do use the vuscan for use with a hp scanner that has a 4x5
negative scanner attachment on it. It will scan 35 mm to 4x5
really not great resolution for 35 mm to 11x14 size but for 4x5
to 11x14 or 8x10 works just fine.
Zane yea amazing I was going to scrap that scanner now it is a part of
the workforce...
I DO WANT A EPSON 800 series that goes up to 8x10 someday..though.
(Back in my youth in the mid 70s I did advertising photography for
products and brochures etc... and many people wanted image of n 4x5
transparency ... some required 8x10 even. 8x10 not cheap to shoot
$5 a sheet purchase and $5 a sheet processing if you took to lab. )
OK so for my 4x5 stuff this old scanner works and also we have ad
shots to be scanned at museum too ... one example is the REGENCY ( IDEA
ELECTRONICS) ad shot transparency collection ( They made first transistor
radio and all kids of great goodies ... uhf converters, radio transceivers,
public services band monitors and more-) Now if any other of you have
anything on Ektachrome scan it now since as time progresses the colors
will get even crappier I love really old 4x5 KODACHROME
transparencies the colors are still a beauty... the reds are majestic and
vibrant!! ( search internet for some of the WW2 color stuff... amazing)
reason? Aniline dies in Kodachrome vs the crappy>ass organic dyes in the
Ektachrome) Anyway... Message here ... scan any and all color materials
now not later as most will just get worse but Kodachrome not as bad
and EVERY other medium.
we got a large group of Burroughs 35mm ad shots on transparency that
are in the Q for scanning... pc mini and mainframe all across the
board. stuff will definite print up better than scans from magazines when
I need a photo for a display.
Ed# SMECC
In a message dated 12/19/2018 9:15:44 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
heal...@avanthar.com writes:

With old scanners, always look at what the I/O interface is, and see if it’s a
model of scanner supported by VueScan. VueScan is *amazing* and produces
results that are about as good as SilverFast with my Epson V850 Pro. It also
keeps some vintage scanners around here running.

Zane

Re: Retarded ebay prices

2018-12-19 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk

Is that a crazy price for something like that? The other ones that I 
have seen are in museums. Given what I got for my 11/750 in the 
condition that it was in a few years ago, the price on this doesn't seem 
bad to me.


alan

On 12/19/18 9:26 AM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote:

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HP-250-Hewlett-Packard-Workstation-mit-optionaler-Ha
rddisk-7910-SAMMLERQUALITAT/173303250279?hash=item2859adbd67:g:7r8AAOSw0dha7
dD8:rk:49:pf:0

  


Nice item, but crazy price! Located in Germany, only ships to the EU.

  


Cindy Croxton

Electronics Plus

1613 Water Street

Kerrville, TX 78028

830-370-3239 cell

sa...@elecplus.com

  




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Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk

Nice  ps2  sash..   We  have  some  examples here but there are  things in 
these photos  I have  never seen!

One  thing we  have  I  am curious   about is a  large   oversize  IBM monitor 
monochrome  grey  screen ...

I wonder  what it  was  used  for...  aside  for a bigger  word processing 
screen.

Ed#

In a message dated 12/19/2018 10:45:01 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

> The PS/2 collectors ... any internet foras for them ?

I know one, he hangs out on Vogons.

Here's him talking about a haul of PS/2 stuff he got from me when I 
moved across country.

https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46=17341=8960#p445583

> I do have PS/2 55Sx (which i do intend to run aix and os/2 on.)

"wall" for for interest in AIX.

> Which version of NT is current with an HP Netserver LCII ?

I'd have to look it up. I'd guess either 3.5 or 4.0. (Given that that 
covers most almost all of NT (by name))

-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: More old stuff incoming


On 12/19/2018 08:20 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
There's enough of a market to support folks building replicas of the 
Adlib sound card.  I've seen evidence of a Sound Blaster 1.0 replica - I 
think they called it the "Snood Bloober 1.0".


I've been following @foone's development of the Snood Bloober on 
Twitter.  I may have to see about acquiring one for my old play PC.


I tell my wife to think of the old PC(s) as my version of cars that some 
people mess with.  They are smaller, often (but not always) cheaper, 
take up less space, and produce less noise or noxious fumes.  - 
Usually.  Cavite emptor.  -  Some of the people I follow that own 
mainframes are pushing the size of sub-compact cars.


There's also Jonathan's XT-IDE card for adding "modern" mass storage to 
PC/XT class machines.


If you dig into it, there's a little cottage industry for these little 
life-extending upgrades for old machines.  It's kind of like the 
computer industry making a full circle - people started companies 
building add-ons in their kitchens in the 70's and 80's and now it's 
coming back to that way again.


Yep.  I find this market extremely entertaining, encouraging, and fun to 
watch from the sidelines.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: More old stuff incoming


On 12/19/2018 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:

80186?


I really thought it was 8x86 where the x was 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4.

But looking at a picture of a CPU online I see that it was 8086, 80186, 
80286, 80386, 80486.  #TodayILearned



"xcvb" is wrong. It's an 8086.


ACK


The BBC Master had a '186:

There was an RM Nimbus too.

They didn't.

8088, 8086, 80286, 80386DX, then 80386SX, 80486, Pentium.


ACK

I think IBM had some special things that were modifications.  Supposedly 
my model 70 is a special 386 instruction set that has some hybrid CPU in 
it.  I don't remember the specifics.  IBM was fab'ing chips at the time 
and had licenses to Intel's IP.  So they created a 386 that was somehow 
more than / different from a 386. Maybe it was a crippled 486 that only 
had the bus of the 386.  I don't recall.




--
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unix || die

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 12:43 PM, emanuel stiebler wrote:
> On 2018-12-19 12:23, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> I still have and use the first scanner bought by the CS Department
>> I used to work at.  An HP with a SCSI interface.  Works great,
>> supported by SANE.
> 
> I had an HP IIcx with ADF. (before I moved). Was great, scanned without
> paying attention to it. Yes, using SANE and some scripts. All what I was
> missing is tabloid size ...
> 


Pretty sure that's the one.  Got stuff piled on it at the moment
so I can't read the model number.

bill

Re: Retarded ebay prices

2018-12-19 Thread Carlo Pisani via cctalk

hi
I have
- an EISA module for HP-715, yours for 5 Euro + S/H
- HP-712 PSU, yours for 5 Euro + S/H
- HPC36xx-C37xx 4GB ram (1Gbyte/module, 4 modules), yours for 20 Euro + S/H

Il giorno mer 19 dic 2018 alle ore 18:26 Electronics Plus via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HP-250-Hewlett-Packard-Workstation-mit-optionaler-Ha
> rddisk-7910-SAMMLERQUALITAT/173303250279?hash=item2859adbd67:g:7r8AAOSw0dha7
> dD8:rk:49:pf:0
>
>
>
> Nice item, but crazy price! Located in Germany, only ships to the EU.
>
>
>
> Cindy Croxton
>
> Electronics Plus
>
> 1613 Water Street
>
> Kerrville, TX 78028
>
> 830-370-3239 cell
>
> sa...@elecplus.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: More old stuff incoming


On 12/19/2018 04:09 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
Unless the software is really weird and relies on something weird like 
undocumented side-effects of the 286 CPU or 8 bit ISA DMA[0], this may 
be a way forwards to keeping it running when that crusty old Pentium 
finally croaks.


I've run into more than a few things that aren't happy with emulation. 
I know AIX for PS/2 is looking for something at PS/2 specific memory 
addresses related to hardware.


I've also had a number of problems with different hypervisors emulating 
different types of hardware that older OSs are happy (enough) with. 
Things like IDE / SCSI / sound / network controllers.




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Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 18:23, Grant Taylor via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2018 09:05 AM, xcvb via cctalk wrote:
> > Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i cannot resist -
> > somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I
> > believe that has an 8 bit isa bus and an 80186 cpu.
>
> I am somewhat surprised to learn that any commercially available general
> purpose computer had an 8186 CPU.

80186?

> I would love some confirmation on the CPU.  (I'll look it up in a bit.)

"xcvb" is wrong. It's an 8086.

>  I've only seen it in purpose built
> equipment.  The last one I saw was in a mobile X-Ray or CT machine in
> the late '90s.

The BBC Master had a '186:

http://www.cowsarenotpurple.co.uk/bbccomputer/master512/index.html

http://www.cowsarenotpurple.co.uk/bbccomputer/master512/tube.html

http://chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html

There was an RM Nimbus too.

https://www.thenimbus.co.uk/range-of-nimbus-computers/PC-186

http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=1011=1


> That would mean that IBM PS/2s had every major class of x86 CPU between
> the 8086 (or was it 8088, which is still in the 8x86 family) and the
> Pentium.

They didn't.

8088, 8086, 80286, 80386DX, then 80386SX, 80486, Pentium.

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Re: More old stuff incoming


The PS/2 collectors ... any internet foras for them ?


I see quite a bit of activity in the comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware (and 
related) newsgroups.




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Re: More old stuff incoming


The PS/2 collectors ... any internet foras for them ?


I know one, he hangs out on Vogons.

Here's him talking about a haul of PS/2 stuff he got from me when I 
moved across country.


https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46=17341=8960#p445583


I do have PS/2 55Sx (which i do intend to run aix and os/2 on.)


"wall" for for interest in AIX.


Which version of NT is current with an HP Netserver LCII ?


I'd have to look it up.  I'd guess either 3.5 or 4.0.  (Given that that 
covers most almost all of NT (by name))




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Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk

On 2018-12-19 12:23, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

> I still have and use the first scanner bought by the CS Department
> I used to work at.  An HP with a SCSI interface.  Works great,
> supported by SANE.

I had an HP IIcx with ADF. (before I moved). Was great, scanned without
paying attention to it. Yes, using SANE and some scripts. All what I was
missing is tabloid size ...

RE: More old stuff incoming


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote:


There was a Tandy with an 80186, but I don't recall the model number.


Tandy 2000.

g.

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RE: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Jay West via cctalk wrote:

Gene wrote... For what you're going to use it for, that's a good choice. 
I wouldn't recommend it as a printer though. ;)  (The design isn't bad, 
but it's not a very newbie-friendly printer.)

-


Gene, you're just sore that the $175 ender 3 is comparable to a Prusa i3 
Mk3 that costs $800 (those words are from the all3dp.com reviews, not 
me) ;) Actually, I think you're spot on when you say it's not 
newbie-friendly because it requires some tinkering once it's out of the 
box to get great results. Another side of that is that perhaps it's the 
newbies that really SHOULD spend the time tinkering to get it right, so 
they understand what to do when their other 3d printers go awry. I 
suspect most of the people here are the tinkering type ;)


I'm not sore at all.  Out of the 12 printers I have, only one is a dirty 
little bed-flinger. ;)  I recommended the original Prusa because it's a 
good design (for a dirty little bed flinger), it's a reasonably affordable 
choice if you can't join the Delta Hegemony, and it's newbie friendly. :)


For Emmanuel's(sp?) case, the Ender 3 is a great choice because he's not 
going to print with it, he's just going to use it as a motion gantry for a 
CNC controlled microfiche imager.  If I had the time (and a stack of 
fiche), I'd probably buy one for that purpose myself.


g.


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Re: More old stuff incoming


On 12/19/2018 03:57 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
The original model 30 was an 8086, and not even a great one -- it didn't 
have true VGA, for instance.


The original IBM PC / AT / XT didn't have VGA either.  So that seems par 
for the generation of the processor.  (At least as I understand / 
remember it.)


It was also available in a small-form-factor all-in-one case as the 
Model 25:


I always liked the PS/2 cases.  Just about every one I've seen is tool 
less down to, and sometimes including, the system planar (as IBM called it).


Easily mistaken for a PS/1. That got me a lot of abuse on Twitter 
recently.


The only PS/1 that I've ever seen was a pizza box and had a folding door 
to cover the 5¼ bay.


They're sort of not "real" PS/2s because they have the AT bus, not 
MicroChannel. I think the 30-286 could run OS/2 though.


IMHO, it's a PS/2 if it has an IBM PS/2 badge.  The PS/2 line covered a 
LOT of territory.


The same case (or very nearly) was reused for the Model 55SX. I actually 
have one of these.


I cut my teeth on a 55SX.  I may reacquire one some day.

It's a "true" PS/2 with MCA. I hope to get an old version of OS/2 2 or 
3 going on mine some time.


I know that I've run OS/2, OS/2 Warp, and Windows 95, all loaded off of 
floppy disks on my model 80 that I had at the time.  I've also had 
NetWare on multiple of them.


I want to try to get AIX 1.3 on the model 70 that I have now.

I'm the masochist that will configure Token Ring for it.  }:-)



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RE: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk

> On December 19, 2018 at 12:33 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> There was a Tandy with an 80186, but I don't recall the model number.
> 

Model 2000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_2000

Will


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RE: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk

There was a Tandy with an 80186, but I don't recall the model number.

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Subject: Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/2018 09:05 AM, xcvb via cctalk wrote:
> Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i cannot resist -
> somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I
> believe that has an 8 bit isa bus and an 80186 cpu.

I am somewhat surprised to learn that any commercially available general
purpose computer had an 8186 CPU.  I've only seen it in purpose built
equipment.  The last one I saw was in a mobile X-Ray or CT machine in
the late '90s.

I would love some confirmation on the CPU.  (I'll look it up in a bit.)

That would mean that IBM PS/2s had every major class of x86 CPU between
the 8086 (or was it 8088, which is still in the 8x86 family) and the
Pentium.

IMHO that's impressive.

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2018-12-19 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk

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rddisk-7910-SAMMLERQUALITAT/173303250279?hash=item2859adbd67:g:7r8AAOSw0dha7
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Re: More old stuff incoming


On 12/19/2018 09:05 AM, xcvb via cctalk wrote:
Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i cannot resist - 
somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I 
believe that has an 8 bit isa bus and an 80186 cpu.


I am somewhat surprised to learn that any commercially available general 
purpose computer had an 8186 CPU.  I've only seen it in purpose built 
equipment.  The last one I saw was in a mobile X-Ray or CT machine in 
the late '90s.


I would love some confirmation on the CPU.  (I'll look it up in a bit.)

That would mean that IBM PS/2s had every major class of x86 CPU between 
the 8086 (or was it 8088, which is still in the 8x86 family) and the 
Pentium.


IMHO that's impressive.



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Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 11:15 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2018, at 12:49 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if I will face theses issuea with the cof ax scanner software  and 
>> a megabux retired scanner we were gifted.. .. thing Is bw only..
> 
> With old scanners, always look at what the I/O interface is, and see if it’s 
> a model of scanner supported by VueScan.  VueScan is *amazing* and produces 
> results that are about as good as SilverFast with my Epson V850 Pro.  It also 
> keeps some vintage scanners around here running.
> 

I still have and use the first scanner bought by the CS Department
I used to work at.  An HP with a SCSI interface.  Works great,
supported by SANE.

bill

RE: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update

Gene wrote...
For what you're going to use it for, that's a good choice.  I wouldn't 
recommend it as a printer though. ;)  (The design isn't bad, but it's not a 
very newbie-friendly printer.)
-
Gene, you're just sore that the $175 ender 3 is comparable to a Prusa i3 Mk3 
that costs $800  (those words are from the all3dp.com reviews, not me) ;) 
Actually, I think you're spot on when you say it's not newbie-friendly because 
it requires some tinkering once it's out of the box to get great results. 
Another side of that is that perhaps it's the newbies that really SHOULD spend 
the time tinkering to get it right, so they understand what to do when their 
other 3d printers go awry. I suspect most of the people here are the tinkering 
type ;)

Actually I misspoke when I said the ender 3 has design flaws. All of its flaws 
are in the execution of manufacturing, not in the design itself. Replace the 
extruder with an all-metal one instead of plastic (the plastic one cracked in a 
few weeks for me, so filament slippage) - cost is about $15. Drop in a 
borosilicate glass bed, so you can get better adhesion than the stock pad, 
easier removal, as well as more flexible choice of filament materials - that's 
about $20. Replace the z-axis rod coupler with one that actually doesn't slip - 
cost about $5. And while not necessary, it makes it a lot easier to get good 
parts if you add an automatic bed leveler - $70 (for the th3d one).

J

Re: More old stuff incoming

On 12/19/18 7:41 AM, Ethan via cctalk wrote:
>> Really? Show me one that is 1) in current production, 2) offers the
>> full ISA bus (not just some decoded address lines and 8 data lines),
>> 3) plugs into a PCI slot.
>> Christian
> 
> Surprised no one has used something like an ATMega or cheap USB
> connected ARM to build a USB to ISA adapter with tie in to DOSBox or
> some other emulator.
> 

For what it's worth, I've never seen an ISA to USB or ISA to PCI
"bridge" implementation that was fully functional--and that includes P4
and later motherboards using a bridge chip.  I've been round the block
with a couple of motherboard vendors.

Some leave out legacy DMA support; others are so incomplete that the
legacy drivers don't even see the ISA card in question or that the
memory space isn't accurately mapped.

Using an ATMega to access a 16-bit ISA board with full DMA, interrupt
and local ROM seems to be a bit beyond the MCU's capabilities.

I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

--Chuck

Re: Off-Topic : RE: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-19 Thread Comcast via cctalk



Also what drone did you buy?
-Bob

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 10:58 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-12-19 11:35, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
>> 
>> The 3d printer I got was the creality ender 3 that is mentioned above. 
>> First, you will not find a bad review for it, all the reviews are glowing. 
>> Most reviews also say it's print quality and print-features are on-par with 
>> $1000+ printers. That is correct, and I paid $175 for mine. I love it. That 
>> being said, the ender 3 has some design deficiencies. If you buy one, plan 
>> on spending maybe $50 to $100 on upgraded options right off the bat. Once 
>> you do that - it is a better printer than many of the big names people will 
>> likely recommend.
> 
> So, would you share which upgrades you made?

Re: Off-Topic : RE: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-19 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk

On 2018-12-19 11:35, Jay West via cctalk wrote:

> The 3d printer I got was the creality ender 3 that is mentioned above. First, 
> you will not find a bad review for it, all the reviews are glowing. Most 
> reviews also say it's print quality and print-features are on-par with $1000+ 
> printers. That is correct, and I paid $175 for mine. I love it. That being 
> said, the ender 3 has some design deficiencies. If you buy one, plan on 
> spending maybe $50 to $100 on upgraded options right off the bat. Once you do 
> that - it is a better printer than many of the big names people will likely 
> recommend.

So, would you share which upgrades you made?

Re: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:


On 2018-12-19 10:05, geneb via cctalk wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:


If you are seriously considering getting one, consider:
https://www.woot.com/category/computers?ref=w_gh_cp_5
That offer is for 24 hours!



Just be aware that you get what you pay for.  If anyone here would like
to get into 3D printing, I'd recommend one of two different printers:


That's the one you recommended for my microfiche scanning ;-)
They just lowered the price ...


For what you're going to use it for, that's a good choice.  I wouldn't 
recommend it as a printer though. ;)  (The design isn't bad, but it's not 
a very newbie-friendly printer.)


g.


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Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctalk

I too have an old spectrometer that requires a PC with an ISA slot, 
[Bomem MB series] and the interface card is ISA form.  It has been a 
challenge to find old PC's with an ISA slot, most are recycled for 
scrap.  The ones I have came from thrift stores, but now the thrift 
stores are reluctant to carry old PC's.  No one wants them except a few 
people with specific hardware/software requirements.


I also use an old PC that still has the ability to run both 3.5 and 5.25 
inch floppies for transferring data to Vax/PDP-11 machines using PUTR.  
The 5.25 inch floppy was dropped from most late model PC's, the 
controller chip wouldn't support it.


Doug

On 12/19/2018 12:03 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:

I repaired a Spectrometer for Morgan University in Baltimore that had a
vintage computer at its heart, used for training purposes and perfectly
good.  The computer just needed some TLC to get it back up and running.  I
think it was a P-II as well, there was a control card that would only work
with the pre-PCI bus
b

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:54 PM Jason Howe via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:


Indeed.

Just this year, we pulled our Pentium Pro box off our museum shelf and
did a fresh install of NT4 for a faculty member and their scientific
instrument.

--Jason



On 12/18/18 5:48 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On Dec 18, 2018, at 2:51 PM, ben via cctalk 

wrote:

I would take a guess for custom hardware or software that never

migrated to Windows 13 or USB IIV. Ben.

Being a photographer, I know there is a real market for this.  Many

high-end scanners will only work with older Macintosh or Windows systems.
I have a scanner that originally cost $10,000, and the only software for it
runs on Windows XP (thankfully I can use Parallels Desktop to run XP and
use it).  Other, even more expensive scanners require even older software
that requires physical systems.  I also have some pretty high-end Macintosh
A/V HW & SW that won’t run on newer systems.

I’m sure there is plenty of lab type equipment in this category as well.

Zane

Off-Topic : RE: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update

Fred wrote
>> If you are seriously considering getting one, consider:
>> https://www.woot.com/category/computers?ref=w_gh_cp_5
>> That offer is for 24 hours!

I've had dual time-sinks the past year, a 3d printer and a high end drone :)

The 3d printer I got was the creality ender 3 that is mentioned above. First, 
you will not find a bad review for it, all the reviews are glowing. Most 
reviews also say it's print quality and print-features are on-par with $1000+ 
printers. That is correct, and I paid $175 for mine. I love it. That being 
said, the ender 3 has some design deficiencies. If you buy one, plan on 
spending maybe $50 to $100 on upgraded options right off the bat. Once you do 
that - it is a better printer than many of the big names people will likely 
recommend.

If you are wanting to get a printer and start producing production quality 
parts right out of the box, the ender 3 is not for you. If you are willing to 
tinker and upgrade just a tiny bit... you'll be really happy.

J

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk

FYI  The PS/2 Model 30 (8530) is a 80C86 CPU.  Same as the Model 25 (8525).
b

Re: More old stuff incoming

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 3:51 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> It's a nostalgia market, and the stuff that's peaking is when those who are
> starting to hit their mid-life crisis are getting nostalgic for the stuff of
> their youth. That's now the 1995-2005 era, and 16 and 32 bit consoles are
> flying off the shelves. There's a shop opposite Amsterdam Centraal station
> which is packed to the rafters with second-hand games for 16 bit consoles, and
> quite a few mail-order dealers dotted around villages here in the 
> Noord-Holland
> peninsula.
> 
> Are you feeling old yet?

The “Retro” gaming market is booming, with plenty of new hardware and games!  I 
have numerous Atari 2600 cartridges released in the last couple years (some as 
recent as a couple months ago).  There is a market for new games for consoles 
up to the 16-bit era, and even a few that are 32-bit.  Some of these games are 
better than those originally released.

Then there are places like GOG.com, selling virtualized copies of old PC games 
(I love being able to easily play Master of Orion on my Mac).

From what I see locally any vintage Game Console does really well, in part 
because with one or two exceptions, no floppies are involved.  Certain vintage 
consoles and certain game command big $$$’s.

My wife and all my kids are into Retro gaming.  I like Retro games because I 
have slightly less than zero time to play games.  So when I have 5 minutes to 
spare, I can turn on the Atari 2600 and play a couple games of something.  

I have to wonder how many others are into Retro gaming due to the time 
commitments required by modern games.

Zane

Re: Old HP stuff

On 2018-12-19 9:54 AM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies! Based on the responses I got, this is the
> specific request list that I just emailed him:
> ...
>  

I'd add: HIL *cables* of either the instrument or keyboard/mouse
connector format.

Also HP HIL ID boxes for hacking purposes.

> 
> The prices I see for this equipment online are stiff! May I assume (and yes,
> I know what that spells) that you guys are looking for machines in the sub
> $200 class, not $2000 like some sites have posted? Equipment from the
> recycler is so much cheaper, but strictly as-is.

Definitely on a hobbyist (= recycler) budget here.

--Toby


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RE: Old HP stuff

I could probably use one more period-correct HP rack if someone has one they 
need to go away. The HP mint gray ones, not the more modern beige/cream/white.

J

Re: More old stuff incoming

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 12:49 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if I will face theses issuea with the cof ax scanner software  and a 
> megabux retired scanner we were gifted.. .. thing Is bw only..

With old scanners, always look at what the I/O interface is, and see if it’s a 
model of scanner supported by VueScan.  VueScan is *amazing* and produces 
results that are about as good as SilverFast with my Epson V850 Pro.  It also 
keeps some vintage scanners around here running.

Zane

Re: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-19 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk

On 2018-12-19 10:05, geneb via cctalk wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> If you are seriously considering getting one, consider:
>> https://www.woot.com/category/computers?ref=w_gh_cp_5
>> That offer is for 24 hours!
>>
> 
> Just be aware that you get what you pay for.  If anyone here would like
> to get into 3D printing, I'd recommend one of two different printers:

That's the one you recommended for my microfiche scanning ;-)
They just lowered the price ...

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread xcvb via cctalk





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>From: Liam Proven via cctalk 
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>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
>Subject: Re: More old stuff incoming
>
>On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 22:42, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>>
>> I think PS/2s range from 286 - (very few) Pentium.  I don't /think/
>> there were any 8086 / 8088 PS/2s, but I could be mistaken.
>
>As "system_glitch" said, there were.
>
>The original model 30 was an 8086, and not even a great one -- it
>didn't have true VGA, for instance.
>
>http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/7492.htm
>
>It was also available in a small-form-factor all-in-one case as the Model 25:
>
>http://www.ibmfiles.com/pages/ps2model25.htm
>
>http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1=1183
>
>Easily mistaken for a PS/1. That got me a lot of abuse on Twitter recently.
>
>Then there was the Model 30-286, a sort of mucked-about PC-AT.
>
>http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/2585/IBM-PS-2-Model-30-286/
>
>And from our own Tezza:
>
>https://www.classic-computers.org.nz/collection/ps2-286-30.htm
>
>They're sort of not "real" PS/2s because they have the AT bus, not
>MicroChannel. I think the 30-286 could run OS/2 though.
>
>The same case (or very nearly) was reused for the Model 55SX. I
>actually have one of these.
>
>https://ancientelectronics.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/ibm-ps2-model-55sx/
>
>It's a "true" PS/2 with MCA. I hope to get an old version of OS/2 2 or
>3 going on mine some time.
>
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Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i cannot resist - 
somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I believe 
that has an 8 bit isa bus and an 80186 cpu.
 - thanks - billp

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-19 Thread Ethan via cctalk

Really? Show me one that is 1) in current production, 2) offers the full ISA 
bus (not just some decoded address lines and 8 data lines), 3) plugs into a 
PCI slot.

Christian


Surprised no one has used something like an ATMega or cheap USB connected 
ARM to build a USB to ISA adapter with tie in to DOSBox or some other 
emulator.



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: Ethan O'Toole

Re: More old stuff incoming